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I think it would be better to have a sign that says "this was the "insert mob name" homelands". Make it something more educational sounding rather than this is stolen land sounding.
We should want people to be interested in learning about it rather than switching off because they feel they being preached to.
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I think you should stop guessing, you know nothing about me, my background, my upbringing or my beliefs. I think you should attempt to get to know my views before you attempt to disparage them again.
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But it is
Yep agree with this - I think there was a real effort to explain that side of things but it just wasn't worded right.
The stuff about 250 000 years and before Cook could have been left off though - the former because it's inaccurate, the latter because I think rightly or wrongly, "Cook" has now become somewhat of a lightning rod for all the anti-colonial sentiment and its more radical/violent aspects. BC = Before Colonisation would have been better imo.
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Personally I don’t mind the welcome to county so long as you don’t have a disgruntled old fuddy duddy doing the ceremony.
Indigenous culture should be celebrated in our game because the indigenous players have given us great joy over the years.
Indigenous culture should be celebrated in our game because the indigenous players have given us great joy over the years.
The whole of Italy is stolen land.
I am torn on this stuff. Disclaimer: I have studied and teach indigenous history.
The irony is that if I type exactly what I think/know, I'll probably end up being censored or warned by a mod who probably knows nothing about the area, or thinks they know.
The reason I'm torn is because every country seems to inevitably benefit from myth-making, but I'll say that pre-colonisation indigenous culture was tremendously varied. Different languages, traditions etc. And most of them had no clue the others existed. At all.
Maybe it's for the best that we pretend they all felt intimate connections with 'the Land', had a 'dreamtime' and 'songlines', 'smoking ceremonies' ... and chuck in a rainbow serpent if you like, too. We all sign up to the claim that footy and marngrook are intimately linked, and perhaps it's better for the culture that we do, regardless of fact.
But I'll never lose sight of the irony that at least one of the cultural groups to which we now pay tribute before games was positively genocidal. Their word for all other indigenous groups translates as "non-human", and they considered it their primary purpose in life as to wipe them out.
The irony is that if I type exactly what I think/know, I'll probably end up being censored or warned by a mod who probably knows nothing about the area, or thinks they know.
The reason I'm torn is because every country seems to inevitably benefit from myth-making, but I'll say that pre-colonisation indigenous culture was tremendously varied. Different languages, traditions etc. And most of them had no clue the others existed. At all.
Maybe it's for the best that we pretend they all felt intimate connections with 'the Land', had a 'dreamtime' and 'songlines', 'smoking ceremonies' ... and chuck in a rainbow serpent if you like, too. We all sign up to the claim that footy and marngrook are intimately linked, and perhaps it's better for the culture that we do, regardless of fact.
But I'll never lose sight of the irony that at least one of the cultural groups to which we now pay tribute before games was positively genocidal. Their word for all other indigenous groups translates as "non-human", and they considered it their primary purpose in life as to wipe them out.
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All of Europe really, but I believe they have treaties and such to claim legitimacy.
Good post.
There's a lot about pre colonial history that is not so pretty, and it too deserves to be understood (or at least attempts at such be made) in the name of truth. The problem is we can't even be truthful (or acknowledge such truths) about the last 250 years - I think big inroads need to made there before we can do the rest.
By modern standards it is.
By 1700s standards it isn't though.
We are so busy rewriting history to modern standards we are losing how far society has come
Not so much about this topic as such but I remember hearing a theory a while ago about why Aboriginal society did not really advance much in the 60,000 years (that is not to say their society was not valid, but it didn't really change much in a very long time) and that was because Australia didn't have horses, cows, camels or donkeys.
I read that in order for a society to advance in the early stages having animals to not only aid in agriculture but also transport is vital. Europeans learned to use cows and horses to help create agriculture, which meant they didn't need to live off the land, which meant they could stay in one spot, and grow towns, and because of horses people could visit other towns, share ideas, begin to advance.
However without that creating what we would see as farming is much much harder, so no farming, your society still has to live off the land, which means constantly on the move to find new sources of food, which means your entire society just can't advance.
I am not sure how true this is, but it was a really interesting theory.
I read that in order for a society to advance in the early stages having animals to not only aid in agriculture but also transport is vital. Europeans learned to use cows and horses to help create agriculture, which meant they didn't need to live off the land, which meant they could stay in one spot, and grow towns, and because of horses people could visit other towns, share ideas, begin to advance.
However without that creating what we would see as farming is much much harder, so no farming, your society still has to live off the land, which means constantly on the move to find new sources of food, which means your entire society just can't advance.
I am not sure how true this is, but it was a really interesting theory.
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In 1700s you’d still need a some of treaty for it not to be theft.
I recon amongst the over 60s and retired people there'd still be heaps that haven't got the memo.
I learnt all about it via workplace training. Where are these folks going to learn it? The Herald Sun? Facebook?
I guess most reasonable people do not want to be preached at prior to sports or an entertainment events. Leave the politics to parliament house inside or outside if you wish to protest.
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He treated Indigenous people like dogs mate.
'Many Indigenous people and supporters of their causes and sensibilities rightly view the lieutenant as the doorman for so many ills that followed, including the smallpox epidemic of 1789 that killed as many as seven in 10 Aboriginal people of the new colony for which Cook’s arrival paved the way.
'We’ll hear much today about how Cook brought “enlightenment” to a continent that has staged the world’s longest continuous civilisation for 100,000 years. The boosters will insist that commemorating divisive Cook – whose first act on landing on 29 April 1770 was to shoot one of the Indigenous men who challenged him – is also, somehow, the means to Australian reconciliation.'
Commemorating Captain James Cook’s arrival, Australia should not omit his role in the suffering that followed | Paul Daley
He arguably paved the way for the terrible experiences of generations of Indigenous people
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