- Oct 19, 2020
- 27,322
- 37,453
- AFL Club
- Richmond
You started saying civilisation instead of continuous connection to the land.I don't think quoting historical research is "semantics".
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
PLUS Your club board comp is now up!
PLUS Your club board comp is now up!
You started saying civilisation instead of continuous connection to the land.I don't think quoting historical research is "semantics".
No one actually knows. It is widely accepted that the first people arrived in "Australia" at least 65,000 years ago. No one knows for sure past that.Well it is important when you want to trust the credibility of someone.
If someone can fabricate one bit of information why can't they fabricate a whole series of tales.
He's the first person to reel off 250,000 years.
Well it's not up to you, it's up to Indigenous people. Why does your opinion matter? How long has your ancestry here been? 100 years?I think Sport should be free of politics first of all.
Second i think welcome to country doesnt do anything for uniting infact the opposite.
Whether it’s a good reason or not is irrelevant as many will dismiss what he says solely based on that. It’s his duty as a leader of the community not to make statements that call into question his credibility and the credibility of the indigenous people he represents by making questionable statements.No one actually knows. It is widely accepted that the first people arrived in "Australia" at least 65,000 years ago. No one knows for sure past that.
250,000 years does seem a strange number to run with but it is not a reason to dismiss everything else he said.
Bothers me that when they play Australia National Anthem Young and Free they tell me to remove my hat and tell me I can't order a ****ing beer. It's not my anthem, gagf.Dunny break
“I’m here this evening to perform a ceremony of Welcome to Country,” Kerin began before the semi-final at Sydney Olympic Park.
“A Welcome to Country is not a welcome to Australia. Within Australia we have many Aboriginal lands and we refer to our lands as ‘country’.
“So it’s always a welcome to the lands you’ve gathered on.”
Kerin then pointed out it is not a relatively new ceremony aimed at white Australians.
“A Welcome to Country is not a ceremony we’ve invented to cater for white people,” he continued.
“It’s a ceremony we’ve been doing for 60,000 years-plus BC. And the BC stands for Before Cook.”
The last comment received a smattering of applause and a few laughs and was a reference to Captain James Cook, who made the first recorded European contact with Australian land in 1770.
“Prior to colonisation, you could get yourself in a lot of trouble for walking on someone else’s lands without being welcomed onto those lands,” Kerin added. “So for me it’s always an honour to perform this ceremony.”
Kerin, who received more warm applause after his speech, then played a short piece on a didgeridoo before the National Anthem was sung by Mimi Velevska.
No one actually knows. It is widely accepted that the first people arrived in "Australia" at least 65,000 years ago. No one knows for sure past that.
250,000 years does seem a strange number to run with but it is not a reason to dismiss everything else he said.
what about the factually incorrect BS he made upHe debunked the idea that it is something made up purely for white people.
Why that should be a problem for some people is probably for them to work out for themselves.
You started saying civilisation instead of continuous connection to the land.
'We’ll hear much today about how Cook brought “enlightenment” to a continent that has staged the world’s longest continuous civilisation for 100,000 years.
Then you said there's no civilisation longer than 4,000 years.I referred to the article you posted.
So I didn't start using it, the article did. Thus I questioned who wrote that nonsense.
Sports and Politics have been intertwined since the days of ancient Rome.I think Sport should be free of politics first of all.
Second i think welcome to country doesnt do anything for uniting infact the opposite.
Then you said there's no civilisation longer than 4,000 years.
There should be a Welcome to THE Country for all Kardinia Park games
There has been a lot of condemnation for his comments, especially the "BC ...... before Cook" part with observers in the media calling for this stuff to stop.
To be honest, I saw the headlines about people being outraged (surprise surprise) by this, and then when I heard what was said I couldn't understand what the issue was?The guy who did the 'welcome to country' ceremony prior to the Giants V Lions game semi-final seemed to use the platform more as a divisive political tool than a genuine & proud showing of the way the indigenous people have done things for many years.
There has been a lot of condemnation for his comments, especially the "BC ...... before Cook" part with observers in the media calling for this stuff to stop. The irony was that he introduced himself as a "cultural educator from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council" but he was not culturally sensitive at all.
“A Welcome to Country is not a ceremony we’ve invented to cater for white people”.
If these indigenous leaders are going to use primetime TV as an opportunity to be somewhat insulting & controversial like he did, should the AFL discontinue the practice ??
Sure it wasn't an Acknowledgment of Country?Welcome to Country died the night the NRL got a blonde white chick to do it
So you didn't listen to what the dude said then?The welcome to country has been overused to the point to where people see it as an annoyance and virtue signalling.
First, you don't need to welcome people to their own country. To even think that is the thing to do is ridiculous.
I don't have an issue with it been used in Government functions when welcoming foreign dignitaries, or overseas sporting teams who have come to play against Australia.
That's the extent it should be used it.
Its just another example of the AFL pandering for woke virtue points.
I thought only elders were allowed to do them?Welcome to Country died the night the NRL got a blonde white chick to do it
Define advance?Not so much about this topic as such but I remember hearing a theory a while ago about why Aboriginal society did not really advance much in the 60,000 years (that is not to say their society was not valid, but it didn't really change much in a very long time) and that was because Australia didn't have horses, cows, camels or donkeys.
I read that in order for a society to advance in the early stages having animals to not only aid in agriculture but also transport is vital. Europeans learned to use cows and horses to help create agriculture, which meant they didn't need to live off the land, which meant they could stay in one spot, and grow towns, and because of horses people could visit other towns, share ideas, begin to advance.
However without that creating what we would see as farming is much much harder, so no farming, your society still has to live off the land, which means constantly on the move to find new sources of food, which means your entire society just can't advance.
I am not sure how true this is, but it was a really interesting theory.
Define advance?
Let me put it this way...what chance do you think we have of lasting another 55000 years on this planet?
minority indigenous heritage
Why wait until then?The sooner I can retire and leave this overtaxed, over governed, miserable place the better.
The sooner I can retire and leave this overtaxed, over governed, miserable place the better.