Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

[Bostonian]

Yes well I copped that personally. Still wear the scars.

Which is totally ****ed and those campaigners should cop a flogging.

Just shows how sadistic and screwed up people can be.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

There is no evidence that any of the crew of the Endeavour - including Cook - killed anyone when they mapped the east coast of Australia in 1770.


There is no evidence that Cook did this.

There is , sorry to break it to you, look it up.

 

[schneebly111]

I always like these conversations. People get caught up in these arguments about things which happened generations ago and for which there is never going to be any answer or resolution.

Which is why the conversation shouldn’t be about the intent of James Cook’s action in 1770, it should be about the importance of a Welcome To Country ceremony in 2024

 

[schneebly111]

I said get rid of it all. The Anzac round is only a thing since Sheedy, clubs and the AFL started cashing in on it.

Well at least you’re consistent. I’ve asked this question to many who’ve stated we should get rid of all “political” things from football, like Welcome to Country and LGBT round, and their response is usually “how dare you insult our diggers”.

 

[Bostonian]

The question I have is if its something important to the different groups and it carries some cultural significance.

Why are they flogging it off to the corporates for cold hard cash?

Best way to cheapen something and make it irrelevant is to sell it off to those grubs.

 

[Obeanie1]

The guy who did the 'welcome to country' ceremony prior to the Giants V Lions game semi-final seemed to use the platform more as a divisive political tool than a genuine & proud showing of the way the indigenous people have done things for many years.

There has been a lot of condemnation for his comments, especially the "BC ...... before Cook" part with observers in the media calling for this stuff to stop. The irony was that he introduced himself as a "cultural educator from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council" but he was not culturally sensitive at all.

“A Welcome to Country is not a ceremony we’ve invented to cater for white people”.

If these indigenous leaders are going to use primetime TV as an opportunity to be somewhat insulting & controversial like he did, should the AFL discontinue the practice ??

I liked one comment.

"Those who want to be outraged will be."

Looks like you are one of those who were.

The headline the journo's used stirred the pot. It's just what they do.

Initially I thought what is going on here? Then I actually went and watched the footage and went 'meh, nothing story', the bloke was just debunking the red neck fools saying welcome to country was invented after settlement. It wasn't. It was occurring well before settlement. And he explained why.

So to all those getting upset about this. Give yourselves an uppercut.

 

[skipper kelly]

Well at least you’re consistent. I’ve asked this question to many who’ve stated we should get rid of all “political” things from football, like Welcome to Country and LGBT round, and their response is usually “how dare you insult our diggers”.

That was probably me as well many years back.

I have come to see all these things as gimmicks and insincere.

 

[Bostonian]

To be clear Brendan Kerin didn’t say “the welcome to country is not for white people” as some media has reported.

He said “indigenous people did not make up the WTC for white people”.

He was debunking a commonly expressed conservative lie that Ernie Dingo made up the WTC ceremony in the 1970s. Ernie himself said that he performed the first WTC ato a group of white people in the 70s but it had been a long standing traditional amongst indigenous groups for thousands of years before then.

That's wrong.

It was to a group of Maoris. Not white people.

They had to create one for the occassion as they didn't have one to use.

They came up with this:

"I asked the good spirits of my ancestors and the good spirits of the ancestors of the land to watch over us and keep our guests safe while they’re in our Country. And then I talked to the spirits of their ancestors, saying that we’re looking after them here and we will send them back to their Country."

I rather like that one. Better than what they are using now.

 

[skipper kelly]

My relo, old Pop Kelly was shipped off from the motherland over stealing a loaf of stale bread.

 

[Roylion]

There is , sorry to break it to you, look it up.

I have. There is no evidence of what you claimed.

 

[Toump Ass]

Just went back and watched it and it is just divisive crap.

It is getting beyond a joke now, how wit is shoved down our throats everyday.
I have to do this BS at every meeting I have, even if it is on ZOOM.
Next I will have a WTC to order a pizza.

Australia has gone mad with the way the country is going.
Between the corrupt and weak Governments, to the people who protest for the sake of protesting all the way to the people who fight a cause they know little about.
Australia just isnt that enjoyable anymore.

Glad you went back to revisit the moment just so you could come here and have a big ol' ****in' sook about it. Thank you.

The sooner I can retire and leave this overtaxed, over governed, miserable place the better.

You will be missed Jackson68. Please remember to send a postcard.

 

[schneebly111]

That's wrong.

It was to a group of Maoris. Not white people

What I was paraphrasing is the usual conservative reaction to why they think Ernie “made it up” in the 70s, not the true story.

Modern ceremonies claim misleads on Indigenous history

Various social media posts are claiming Welcome to Country ceremonies are far from an ancient practice.

www.aap.com.au

 

[Toump Ass]

Do people who bitch and sook about Welcome to Country cry hard about that shitty trumpet song they play before ANZAC Day? what about Australia Fair?

Eskimo Joe playing their codshit indie rock sucks arse too, sook about that for a change you sooks.
Birds of Tokyo is divisive too, cry hard about that one, they're shit, rip into them.

 

[JackFlash]

First of all Captain Cook was an explorer and cartographer. He had nothing to do with directly colonising any country. Only the completely ignorant will say otherwise. During his explorations, he made friends with many local populations, and doing so, made enemies of those that were enemies of his first friends. But that has all to do with local tensions, and nothing to do with being an explorer for the British crown. Contact with the local population was limited.

On his travels Cook arrived in many places — New Zealand, Hawaii and many islands in the Pacific

Lets not forget Canada and Alaska where he did a lot of surveying.

I don’t know whether any aboriginals were killed on his many arrivals but they did kill him on Hawaii
Captain Cook only made two known landings in Australia.
The first in 1770 was at Kurnell (near Botany Bay) and any aborigines in the vicinity avoided contact. Shots were fired at Botany Bay when the British party had spears thrown at them, but there is no evidence that anyone was killed or even hit

The second was up near Cooktown in the far north coast after the Endeavour was beached for repairs after crashing into the Great Barrier Reef. They spent 7 weeks repairing the ship and had a lot of friendly contact with the local aborigines, but that contact was still minimal.
I suppose they can make up whatever story they want these days? Captain Cook did not settle Australia either.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I have. There is no evidence of what you claimed.

He shot at 2 Indigenous warriors before he got off the boat, wounding one. He definately killed people or ordered his crew to.
Generally speaking he used floggings and terror to subdue the natives on his voyages. He liked
'carving crosses into natives’ flesh in revenge for petty crimes' and cutting through flesh to the bone.
'..on his third voyage, on the quest to find the Northwest Passage, Cook had begun to drown in some unseen, interior deluge. He sank into a black mood, lost touch with reality and inflicted punishments on his crew at the slightest whim. He paced the deck and flew into rages that the sailors called heivas, after a Tahitian stomping dance. He spread terror across the islands, torching entire villages and carving crosses into natives’ flesh in revenge for petty crimes.

How Captain James Cook Got Away with Murder

When he died, admirers believed that he deserved the “gratitude of posterity.” Posterity, of course, has a mind of its own.

www.newyorker.com

He and his crew had sex with the natives knowing he would spread tuburculosis and syphlis .
The diseases he helped spread killed 2/3rds of Australian Aboriginees.

Got an issue with any of that?

Torching villages was just what they did at the time so it was ok.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I have. There is no evidence of what you claimed.

'After Endeavour anchored near the eastern bank of the Tūranganui River close to New Zealand’s present-day Gisborne, Te Maro, a senior man of the Ngāti Oneone group, was promptly shot and killed while leading a ceremonial challenge to the British sailors. At least eight more Māori were killed over the next few days in what British history has largely cast, based on the diaries of Cook and others on the Endeavour, as a misunderstanding.'

How to kill a god: the myth of Captain Cook shows how the heroes of empire will fall

The long read: In the 18th century, the naval explorer was worshipped as a deity. Now his statues are being defaced across the lands he visited

www.google.com

'On February 14, 1779 Captain James Cook of the british royal navy was killed by natives in Kealakekua Bay, on the Big Island of Hawaii. Cook was a true savage, who sailed across the world bringing murder, rape, disease, and colonialism to native peoples all over the Pacific. When he was killed, Cook was trying to kidnap the Hawaiian Aliʻi (tribal chief) Kalaniʻōpuʻu in response to an unknown person stealing a small boat. In the process, he had threatened to open fire on the islanders.

At this point, the Hawaiians decided they had enough of Cook’s bullshit, threatened with mass murder and the kidnapping of one of their tribal leaders, the Hawaiian islanders finally gave this piece of shit what he deserved: a beatdown on the beach, and a knife to the chest. This put an end to a lifetime of predatory behavior and conquest of lands in the service to the british empire.'
Native lives matter website.

 

[Bostonian]

What I was paraphrasing is the usual conservative reaction to why they think Ernie “made it up” in the 70s, not the true story.

Modern ceremonies claim misleads on Indigenous history

Various social media posts are claiming Welcome to Country ceremonies are far from an ancient practice.

www.aap.com.au

They did create it for that event as they didn't have one to use.

So it would indicate it wasn't being commonly used as some others claim.

Like anything in many cultures things die out as time passes.

The cynic in me think it's made a come back because some people can profit from it.

 

[SeaOfFire]

inb4 the outrage of local Sydneysiders.....

 

[demondavey]

There is no evidence that any of the crew of the Endeavour - including Cook - killed anyone when they mapped the east coast of Australia in 1770.


There is no evidence that Cook did this.

You’re ****ing kidding me….

 

[420]

Good thread with lots of informed, accurate and unemotional posts

 

[Elixuh]

I didn’t realise bigfooty was home to so many captain cook phds.

Is captain cook in the room with you right now?

 

[Kram]

Anzac round is imo is mainly used to make money.

 

[schneebly111]

I didn’t realise bigfooty was home to so many captain cook phds.

Is captain cook in the room with you right now?

The original Cookers. They went to the Bridget McKenzie School of Cookerism:

Deputy Nationals leader Bridget McKenzie was arguing for Australia Day to stay on January 26 when she put her foot in it.
"That is when the course of our nation changed forever. When Captain Cook stepped ashore," Senator McKenzie told Sky News on Tuesday.

Nats MP makes Australia Day blunder

Despite what some Australian politicians say, the date of Australia Day has nothing to do with Captain James Cook.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[schneebly111]

Anzac round is imo is mainly used to make money.

Military recruitment too

 

[RedWhite4Ever]

So that means he shouldn't have told the truth?

I don't know why they take it out on Captain Cook so much. He only "visited" Australia once, "discovered" the east coast of Australia which he correctly surmised was the eastern half of New Holland - thought it was a dump and then sailed up the eastern seaboard and went home.

He much rather preferred New Zealand and made another two voyages to New Zealand and used that as a base for want of a better word for expeditions into the south and north pacific looking for the fabled "Terra Australis".

Maybe take it out on Abel Tasman or William Jantzoon?