Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

[mighty_lions]

Truth be told its pretty shit but so is the national anthem and any of the pre-game "entertainment". Is a bit of a vibe killer though. Maybe put a max 10 second limit on it and do it as a recorded message or something so people cant go on and on about it

the difference being when the anthem is sung no one gets up before it to deliver their agenda, they just sing the song

 

[Shane Heard]

We were invaded in 1788 by the British, they came in took over the land, committed genocide against it's people and that was the norm at the time. What is unforgivable nearly two hundred and fifty years on is for sections of the population to still ignore this fact and refuse to believe the inter generational trauma and inequality that's still happening because of this.

Anyone ( modern day white Australians) with half a brain understands the grievances regarding the atrocities committed back then in history.

But this is 2024. We ( the modern day white Australian) cannot be possibly put in the same category as our English, Irish, Scottish ancestors and be dictated to like we came straight outta the Schutzstaffel at birth.

granted ..it’s a tricky situation.

But a lot of this conjecture is totally unfair on innocent parties

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Personally I'd prefer to be done with it completely.

Well there's a shock

 

[javaguice]

It won't have gone too far until Gina et al give half their money to aboriginal charities seeing as they made their money from the land.

Anyway

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Anyone ( modern day white Australians) with half a brain understands the grievances regarding the atrocities committed back then in history.

But this is 2024. We ( the modern day white Australian) cannot be possibly put in the same category as our English, Irish, Scottish ancestors and be dictated to like we came straight outta the Schutzstaffel at birth.

granted ..it’s a tricky situation.

But a lot of this conjecture is totally unfair on innocent parties

I love the way the identification of the "real victims" here gets manipulated.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Truth be told its pretty shit but so is the national anthem and any of the pre-game "entertainment". Is a bit of a vibe killer though. Maybe put a max 10 second limit on it and do it as a recorded message or something so people cant go on and on about it

You're all heart.

 

[Shane Heard]

I love the way the identification of the "real victims" here gets manipulated.

There’s no suggestion about ‘ real victims’..and you know it.

Try to be more mature with your elucidation.

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[Shane Heard]

Why is there even an issue?

There you go again…

 

[Chief]

This is getting in the way of the football now. Off to the SRP with you all.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Colour profiling people is a shit practice

 

[Outtatym]

Or you could accept that it’s culturally important to indigenous people?

Apparently not Matty Stokes tho

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Apparently not Matty Stokes tho

You found one Indigenous person that agrees with you did you?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Time to wrap this thread up. It's mainly the Sam Newman racist types laughing at every second post that keeps the thread going.
No respect for Indigenous history and ignorant as well.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I did, do you believe this guy had an agenda ?

No, you did not read it. if you did, you would have saw the word 'most'. For God's sake why are you so triggered that he may have had something to say. Seriously get a grip.

 

[mighty_lions]

No, you did not read it. if you did, you would have saw the word 'most'. For God's sake why are you so triggered that he may have had something to say. Seriously get a grip.

because its not his platform to voice his agenda

 

[South of the Yarra]

because its not his platform to voice his agenda

And please tell me what his agenda is. Are you as triggered when coaches use the media to push their agenda?

 

[mighty_lions]

And please tell me what his agenda is. Are you as triggered when coaches use the media to push their agenda?

I can't think of any examples of any coach saying anything remotely like what he said, and im not sure what his agenda is but he clearly had one, further to that the week before I was at the Brisbane Carlton game Shannon Ruska often does the welcome to country and does its fantastically, no agenda no BS

 

[South of the Yarra]

I can't think of any examples of any coach saying anything remotely like what he said, and im not sure what his agenda is but he clearly had one, further to that the week before I was at the Brisbane Carlton game Shannon Ruska often does the welcome to country and does its fantastically, no agenda no BS

If he had an agenda, you must know what it is. Otherwise, how the hell can you know he had an agenda

 

[stax on the mull]

Captain Cook had many agendas in coming to the other side of the world. Scientific, adventure, exploration and keeping the British Empire as the pre eminent place it was. Every nation and people’s on earth from the tribal to the empirical was about this. I don’t see any problem with Cook, he is one of the most important and remarkable men to have ever lived. We wouldn’t have the country we have without him.
I don’t mind acknowledging Aboriginal cultures and histories, but I would be a hypocrite if I weren’t grateful for the fact that me and my ancestors also moved here, like the aboriginal’s did before my ancestors. Progress has always come to all parts of the earth. You progress or you get left behind. We are all very lucky it was the British people who pioneered this land because English Common Law is still the most progressive and most just and merciful of all systems yet devised. We wouldn’t even have football and the best lifestyle in the world without it.

The question you've got to ask yourself here is how did this "most progressive" British Common Law apply to the pre-existing rights to land of the indigenous inhabitants when the land was acquired by the justification that it was uninhabited.

The British immediately created a problem with the application of common law to the Aboroginal people by pretending they didn't exist.

 

[mighty_lions]

If he had an agenda, you must know what it is. Otherwise, how the hell can you know he had an agenda

well I would have to ask him why on earth he said 250,000 BC and BC means before cook, how's its relevant? whats he going on about? I have no idea but its obviously something for him to say before cook

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I can't think of any examples of any coach saying anything remotely like what he said, and im not sure what his agenda is but he clearly had one, further to that the week before I was at the Brisbane Carlton game Shannon Ruska often does the welcome to country and does its fantastically, no agenda no BS

Hang on. You're sure he has an agenda. But you don't know what it is BUT you think you'll whinge about it anyway. Is this the level of the debate? really?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

The question you've got to ask yourself here is how did this "most progressive" British Common Law apply to the pre-existing rights to land of the indigenous inhabitants when the land was acquired by the justification that it was uninhabited.

The British immediately created a problem with the application of common law to the Aboroginal people by pretending they didn't exist.

correct

 

[Reg Grundy35]

well I would have to ask him why on earth he said 250,000 BC and BC means before cook, how's its relevant? whats he going on about? I have no idea but its obviously something for him to say before cook

maybe get back to us when you can clarify with yourself what it is you're triggered about.

 

[mighty_lions]

maybe get back to us when you can clarify with yourself what it is you're triggered about.

250,000 BC means before cook yeah sure mate

 

[glengowan]

The truth lies somewhere in between jakson68 and Aristotle Pickett.