Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

[Freshwater]

The question you've got to ask yourself here is how did this "most progressive" British Common Law apply to the pre-existing rights to land of the indigenous inhabitants when the land was acquired by the justification that it was uninhabited.

The British immediately created a problem with the application of common law to the Aboroginal people by pretending they didn't exist.

100% they just took it. From the beginning of time to just recently that was how things were. For the aboriginals tribes all around the world and every other civilisation that ever existed, if you were strong enough the land was yours. The English common law only applied to their own people. But built within that system was progress and self reflection, that lead to acknowledging of past injustices. It was still the best of outcomes as terrible as it obviously was. They could have had Islamic law or Chinese law etc.

 

[Freomaniac]

This is gonna end well.

As it should lol

 

[Reg Grundy35]

100% they just took it. From the beginning of time to just recently that was how things were. For the aboriginals tribes all around the world and every other civilisation that ever existed, if you were strong enough the land was yours. The English common law only applied to their own people. But built within that system was progress and self reflection, that lead to acknowledging of past injustices. It was still the best of outcomes as terrible as it obviously was. They could have had Islamic law or Chinese law etc.

who knows - they could have scored someone who didnt poison their water holes maybe?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

250,000 BC means before cook yeah sure mate

that distressed you? to the point where you are incoherent?

 

[Freshwater]

It's none of your business what he said, he can say what he likes, it's his land.

It’s not his land anymore than it’s your land or my land. There are no ‘special’ citizens that are mystically more important than others. Everyone is equal before the law, as it should be.

 

[Gough]

It’s not his land anymore than it’s your land or my land. There are no ‘special’ citizens that are mystically more important than others. Everyone is equal before the law, as it should be.

Were Aboriginal Australians equal before the law in 1788 when the Brits marched in and imposed it? That's where that argument falls apart they were forcibly disposed and given no rights in the first place, Australia wasn't built equally.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It won't have gone too far until Gina et al give half their money to aboriginal charities seeing as they made their money from the land.

Anyway

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rinehart.

 

[javaguice]

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rinehart.

Not enough

 

[Chief]

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rinehart.

Gina does what benefits Gina.

 

[Freshwater]

Were Aboriginal Australians equal before the law in 1788 when the Brits marched in and imposed it? That's where that argument falls apart they were forcibly disposed and given no rights in the first place, Australia wasn't built equally.

No they weren’t. It was nowhere near what it is now then, but still was the most fair and progressive system in the world then. English Common Law was always and still is the most fair and progressive of all the known systems there is. That is why there is and can be reconciliation under it now. Nothing was ever perfect in history. What we do from now is important. Equality before the law should always be the goal, that is peak progress. Equality of outcomes is a retrogressive concept to rectify past wrongs in a backwards way.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

English Common Law was always and still is the most fair and progressive of all the known systems there is. a backwards way.

Says who??? the people who could lose out by changing it. anyone else?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rineh

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much pain that family has caused Aboriginals

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I don't have a problem with it, nor does it affect my sense of land ownership....we use it daily in my organization, my only concern is the apathy that develops from its overuse in every meeting which breeds tokenism.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

It’s not his land anymore than it’s your land or my land. There are no ‘special’ citizens that are mystically more important than others. Everyone is equal before the law, as it should be.

Yeah those uppity natives should shut up .

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rinehart.

She's part of the most racist family in Australia mate.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

She's part of the most racist family in Australia mate.

You reckon there isnt one single other family in australia who is more racist than Gina's?

 

[Gough]

You reckon there isnt one single other family in australia who is more racist than Gina's?

Not one who've had the power to influence the agenda like the Rinehart's have.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

You reckon there isnt one single other family in australia who is more racist than Gina's?

Her dad called for sterilisation of Aboriginal women and Gina has never condemned that statement so yes.
She's a full on racist.

 

[campbell]

Perhaps you should do some investigation into how much support Aboriginals do receive from Gina Rinehart.

I am still waiting for my free toyota cruiser.

 

[mighty_lions]

that distressed you? to the point where you are incoherent?

no but I can call out BS if I see it

 

[mighty_lions]

It's none of your business what he said, he can say what he likes, it's his land.

hahahahah actually laughable

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

hahahahah actually laughable

So it's not stolen land? Are you Andrew Bolt using an alias?

 

[mighty_lions]

So it's not stolen land? Are you Andrew Bolt using an alias?

no not stolen land and no I don't watch sky or Andrew bolt

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

no not stolen land and no I don't watch sky or Andrew bolt

Not stolen? Sorry was there a treaty? I must of missed that.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

No they weren’t. It was nowhere near what it is now then, but still was the most fair and progressive system in the world then. English Common Law was always and still is the most fair and progressive of all the known systems there is. That is why there is and can be reconciliation under it now. Nothing was ever perfect in history. What we do from now is important. Equality before the law should always be the goal, that is peak progress. Equality of outcomes is a retrogressive concept to rectify past wrongs in a backwards way.

It took until the Mabo decision in 1992 for the English common law system to recognise the fact that Indigenous Australians, at least in such a common law sense, were the owners of the land pre-1788, and as such the act of the British colonising took land away from Indigenous Australians

In some respects the "fair and progressive" system you describe took until 1992 to catch up