Universal Love Welcome to Freo- Josh Treacy

[Purple Jesus]

**** it, lid off:

Looking at Treacy's 2024 season through the lens of AFL history reveals fascinating parallels with how some of the game's greatest forwards performed at a similar developmental stage. The key is to examine not just raw numbers, but the patterns of emergence that often presage greatness.

When we consider players like Wayne Carey, his age-22 season yielded 54 goals from 22 games - remarkably similar to Treacy's projected full-season rate based on his 42 goals from 19 games. What's particularly intriguing is the marking pattern - Carey's early-career evolution as a marking forward tracks closely with Treacy's sudden leap to 7.6 marks per game.

Jason Dunstall presents another illuminating comparison point. While Dunstall's raw goal tallies were higher early (he kicked 70 goals in his second season), the progression curve of his peripheral statistics - particularly his involvement rates and marking consistency - bears striking similarities to what we're seeing in Treacy's development.

The comparison to Matthew Lloyd might be most instructive. Lloyd's breakout season at age 22 saw him kick 76 goals, but what's often forgotten is how his game was built on a foundation of strong marking numbers and consistent involvement rates - exactly the pattern we're seeing emerge in Treacy's statistics.

However, what sets Treacy's trajectory apart is its comprehensiveness. Modern forwards face defensive structures that simply didn't exist in previous eras. His ability to maintain high involvement rates (11.7 disposals per game) while delivering elite marking numbers suggests a potential ceiling that might actually exceed traditional comparisons.

Looking at specific metrics:

• His marking rate (7.6 per game) already approaches peak-career numbers for several Hall of Fame forwards
• The disposal efficiency combined with goal conversion hints at decision-making maturity beyond his years
• His score involvement numbers suggest an ability to impact games even when not directly scoring, a crucial evolution in modern forward craft

 

[poshman]

That it's permanent and not a one off

Fair enough - I think league wide Treacy and Amiss will be recognised as the best 1-2 punch in the league after this season.

90-100 goals between them.

 

[poshman]

**** it, lid off:

Looking at Treacy's 2024 season through the lens of AFL history reveals fascinating parallels with how some of the game's greatest forwards performed at a similar developmental stage. The key is to examine not just raw numbers, but the patterns of emergence that often presage greatness.

When we consider players like Wayne Carey, his age-22 season yielded 54 goals from 22 games - remarkably similar to Treacy's projected full-season rate based on his 42 goals from 19 games. What's particularly intriguing is the marking pattern - Carey's early-career evolution as a marking forward tracks closely with Treacy's sudden leap to 7.6 marks per game.

Jason Dunstall presents another illuminating comparison point. While Dunstall's raw goal tallies were higher early (he kicked 70 goals in his second season), the progression curve of his peripheral statistics - particularly his involvement rates and marking consistency - bears striking similarities to what we're seeing in Treacy's development.

The comparison to Matthew Lloyd might be most instructive. Lloyd's breakout season at age 22 saw him kick 76 goals, but what's often forgotten is how his game was built on a foundation of strong marking numbers and consistent involvement rates - exactly the pattern we're seeing emerge in Treacy's statistics.

However, what sets Treacy's trajectory apart is its comprehensiveness. Modern forwards face defensive structures that simply didn't exist in previous eras. His ability to maintain high involvement rates (11.7 disposals per game) while delivering elite marking numbers suggests a potential ceiling that might actually exceed traditional comparisons.

Looking at specific metrics:

• His marking rate (7.6 per game) already approaches peak-career numbers for several Hall of Fame forwards
• The disposal efficiency combined with goal conversion hints at decision-making maturity beyond his years
• His score involvement numbers suggest an ability to impact games even when not directly scoring, a crucial evolution in modern forward craft

I cant wait to see him this season. He has all the tools! And what he can do up the ground is equally impressive. In fact both he and Amiss would love leading to each other. Sublime by foot to the lead.

 

[oldgoat]

Gossage what a knob.

Sossage

 

[oldgoat]

Looking at Treacy's development curve, we can apply some systems thinking to project his trajectory. The key is understanding that player development typically follows an S-curve pattern - rapid acceleration followed by a period of stabilisation and refinement.

What makes Treacy's case particularly fascinating is that his 2024 numbers (42 goals from 19 games) suggest he's still in the acceleration phase of his development curve. If we extrapolate this trajectory while accounting for typical maturation patterns of key forwards, we might expect:

2025 Projection:

• Goal-kicking efficiency should continue to improve as his game sense develops
• A full season of 22-23 games could realistically yield 55-60 goals
• Marking numbers might stabilize around 7.5-8 per game as defences adjust
• Score involvements likely to increase as his connection with midfielders strengthens

2026 Projection:

• Entry into his physical prime (age 24) suggests potential for 65-70 goals across a full season
• Development of secondary skills (ground-level work, link-up play) could see disposal numbers push toward 13-14 per game
• Leadership aspects of his game likely to emerge, particularly in forward line organisation

The fascinating aspect here is that Treacy's development pattern breaks from traditional key forward archetypes. His rapid improvement in both marking and ground-level metrics suggests we might be seeing the emergence of a new prototype - a hybrid forward whose ceiling could be higher than conventional projections would suggest.

This is fun doctor purple.
Love a bit of quasi science.
He's a dead set beast is all, species previously undiscovered.
The type that demands a whole new theory to explain.
I wonder...
Where do you plot Jackson and Amiss to be on the S bend thingy?

 

[oldgoat]

Wayne Carey potential.

Yeah but...better person

 

[oldgoat]

Fair enough - I think league wide Treacy and Amiss will be recognised as the best 1-2 punch in the league after this season.

90-100 goals between them.

You not often wrong posh, but you're right about this one!
Our whole forward combo is so very very exciting!

 

[Purpleheart_56]

Sossage

Gussage..

 

[pK75]

his only weakness coming into this year was not holding his marks.

i mentioned it on here end of last year, and he read that, worked hard on it over the 23/24 summer, and we saw the result this year when his marks stick more often than not, even in heavy contests.

This year, I would like Amiss to work on his runup. He normally kicks through the ball with straight momentum leading to his historically high accuracy. This year, you can clearly see early when he is going to a miss as he pulls up when almost at the mark (whether too close or feeling too close) and momentum changes and the ball moves off high in a direction he pulls off to. So, dude give yourself a bit more length if you need it and just go back to kicking straight through the ball with your body following through behind it. He doesn't miss when he kicks like that.

Good work Big Animal, can you tell Jackson how to clunk a mark this year as well?

 

[shiny_on_top]

I think the switch flicked during the season rather than over the off season. Anyone remember the Port game? I wouldn’t be surprised if he took that personally with the two dropped marks in the final stages. He looked like a different man after that and refused to lose a contest and just vice grip the ball.

 

[Daddoo]

**** it, lid off:

Looking at Treacy's 2024 season through the lens of AFL history reveals fascinating parallels with how some of the game's greatest forwards performed at a similar developmental stage. The key is to examine not just raw numbers, but the patterns of emergence that often presage greatness.

When we consider players like Wayne Carey, his age-22 season yielded 54 goals from 22 games - remarkably similar to Treacy's projected full-season rate based on his 42 goals from 19 games. What's particularly intriguing is the marking pattern - Carey's early-career evolution as a marking forward tracks closely with Treacy's sudden leap to 7.6 marks per game.

Jason Dunstall presents another illuminating comparison point. While Dunstall's raw goal tallies were higher early (he kicked 70 goals in his second season), the progression curve of his peripheral statistics - particularly his involvement rates and marking consistency - bears striking similarities to what we're seeing in Treacy's development.

The comparison to Matthew Lloyd might be most instructive. Lloyd's breakout season at age 22 saw him kick 76 goals, but what's often forgotten is how his game was built on a foundation of strong marking numbers and consistent involvement rates - exactly the pattern we're seeing emerge in Treacy's statistics.

However, what sets Treacy's trajectory apart is its comprehensiveness. Modern forwards face defensive structures that simply didn't exist in previous eras. His ability to maintain high involvement rates (11.7 disposals per game) while delivering elite marking numbers suggests a potential ceiling that might actually exceed traditional comparisons.

Looking at specific metrics:

• His marking rate (7.6 per game) already approaches peak-career numbers for several Hall of Fame forwards
• The disposal efficiency combined with goal conversion hints at decision-making maturity beyond his years
• His score involvement numbers suggest an ability to impact games even when not directly scoring, a crucial evolution in modern forward craft

I don't know footy tactics as well as most here, but what I do know is that players benefit from consistency and experience playing together. The more you play together, the more you familiar you are with how each other plays and anticipates the game.

I think the fact that our three main forwards (JT, Amiss, and Jacko) and our three main midfielders and deliverers of the footy i50 (AB, Serong, and Young) are ALL back is important. These six are only going to get better playing and leading and anticipating where each other will go.

I don't know how long it's been since we've had our three talls and three key mids all back, but it seems like it is the exception rather than the rule over the past several years. Maybe someone with more time can figure this out. haha.

I look forward to seeing Traecy's growth (and the other two talls) as an individual footballer, but also as part of this future premiership team.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Fair enough - I think league wide Treacy and Amiss will be recognised as the best 1-2 punch in the league after this season.

90-100 goals between them.

Curnow and McKay will have it for a few years.

They have kicked over 100 goals a game between them the last 3 years I think.

 

[arsesmart]

his only weakness coming into this year was not holding his marks.

i mentioned it on here end of last year, and he read that, worked hard on it over the 23/24 summer, and we saw the result this year when his marks stick more often than not, even in heavy contests.

This year, I would like Amiss to work on his runup. He normally kicks through the ball with straight momentum leading to his historically high accuracy. This year, you can clearly see early when he is going to a miss as he pulls up when almost at the mark (whether too close or feeling too close) and momentum changes and the ball moves off high in a direction he pulls off to. So, dude give yourself a bit more length if you need it and just go back to kicking straight through the ball with your body following through behind it. He doesn't miss when he kicks like that.

The thing is Treacy was already beginning to clunk big contested grabs in the '23 preseason (obviously your message was starting to get through Big), which got many of us super excited. For whatever reason that didn't quite translate into the season proper.

You could see him take those big grabs again (up a level) in the '24 preseason, which this time did translate to the season, despite a shaky start in the Port preseason game.

As it is so often for young developing players, he maybe just needed a game or two to click for him and really feel the confidence of belonging at the level.

 

[Quazar2]

But Garys alright...right?
They love to spot a Superstar before their mates, and rub it in later!
He was already doing it with Serong.

I don't mind Gary too much, but many of the others are just plain awful - toffee-nosed pricks that don't give Fremantle any respect, especially when praise is warranted. it's why I indulge the media stuff less and less each year....just bring me the main action and I'll go from there. Eyeah

 

[Joao]

I don't mind Gary too much, but many of the others are just plain awful - toffee-nosed pricks that don't give Fremantle any respect, especially when praise is warranted. it's why I indulge the media stuff less and less each year....just bring me the main action and I'll go from there. Eyeah

Lyon at least reflects and tries to better himself which is more than you can say for most people and definitely more than the vast majority of the footy media. I find it staggering how much hate he gets from the general public in light of that even if he's made some mistakes in the past. Apparently its just better to deliberately be a **** than to be someone trying hard not to be.

Well actually, it makes perfect sense but still irks me.

 

[oldgoat]

Eh, would have made him work for it. He's been very ordinary this year. Personally I would have him bottom 10 in the squad and close to delisting but that's just me. He doesn't provide goals, doesn't provide link up play. Not sure what he brings to the team

This will come back to haunt you Brad.

 

[oldgoat]

I actually think it was Cummings who started that drivel but Gossage carried it on. Look like the gooses they are now don’t they!.

Cummings was up for a sly dig.
Sossage couldnt help himself from piling on...
"one foot out the door",
really "special" commentator!

 

[oldgoat]

Gussage..

Gassage

 

[oldgoat]

I don't know footy tactics as well as most here, but what I do know is that players benefit from consistency and experience playing together. The more you play together, the more you familiar you are with how each other plays and anticipates the game.

I think the fact that our three main forwards (JT, Amiss, and Jacko) and our three main midfielders and deliverers of the footy i50 (AB, Serong, and Young) are ALL back is important. These six are only going to get better playing and leading and anticipating where each other will go.

I don't know how long it's been since we've had our three talls and three key mids all back, but it seems like it is the exception rather than the rule over the past several years. Maybe someone with more time can figure this out. haha.

I look forward to seeing Traecy's growth (and the other two talls) as an individual footballer, but also as part of this future premiership team.

add to this...
Pearce, Cox and Ryan!

 

[oldgoat]

The thing is Treacy was already beginning to clunk big contested grabs in the '23 preseason (obviously your message was starting to get through Big), which got many of us super excited. For whatever reason that didn't quite translate into the season proper.

You could see him take those big grabs again (up a level) in the '24 preseason, which this time did translate to the season, despite a shaky start in the Port preseason game.

As it is so often for young developing players, he maybe just needed a game or two to click for him and really feel the confidence of belonging at the level.

and he is just 22 years and 4 months old......
Yokai!

 

[arsesmart]

and he is just 22 years and 4 months old......
Yokai!

Yep and no doubt he has many challenges ahead still.

All indicators though seem to show he knows where the horns are, how to grasp them and hold on like a bastard. Only thing he's also a bull .

 

[Big Animal]

Good work Big Animal, can you tell Jackson how to clunk a mark this year as well?

working on it. see him when getting coffee so try to get in some coaching but his mum's got a good block on her.

 

[Purpleheart_56]

Gassage

Goosage

 

[Tonys_Ronaldsons]

Curnow and McKay will have it for a few years.

They have kicked over 100 goals a game between them the last 3 years I think.

100 goals a game between them? thats incredible i dont think anyone will ever beat that

 

[Taylor]

Curnow and McKay:
2024 = 106
2023 = 110
2022 = 109

202/325 = 62.15% of them are Curnow.