Toast Welcome to Freo Jye Amiss!!! (pick 8 2021 AFL Draft)

[Daddoo]

He’s a slow burn. Could be a Jarrad Waite type who plays his best footy after 30

Gary Lyon, is that you?

 

[Dockeroo]

Yeah but they way he's going he could wait till he was out of contract and push for 800-1m a year. If he's signed this early, it's probably at similar rates to what his original extension is just because long term security at that age is valuable. Those last couple of years of his contract I reckon there's a chance he's out performing his money by like double.

You raise an interesting point here that I have long pondered. The step change in how elite young AFL players are paid is a fascinating case study actually, and it’s a bit of a black box. I’m not convinced that the scenario you describe where a player is outperforming his contract by double towards the end of such contracts tends to happen too often.
Nowadays you can split a top AFL players career into two halves - the first 8 years, and the rest. Free agency happens after 8 years. For Jye that’s end of 2029 season.
The first 2 years are capped at rookie wages of $110k
Year 3 & 4, generally the first extension for these guys, is around $400 to $450k for players of Jyes level. Then the contract for years 5-8 (the same stage someone like Andy Brayshaw is currently in, a 6th year player) is maybe $550-600k

However, we know that according to last year and this years herald sun salary list, that Andy is earning $750-800k this year and last year. That contract was signed at the end of Andy’s third year. He hadn’t had a breakout season at that point - certainly wouldn’t have warranted a deal worth that kind of $$ in year 5.
Surely there must have been some kind of trigger Andy met to achieve the salary he (deservedly) is earning now in year 5 & 6?
And is it likely that Jye is the same.
For example, If Jye kicks 75 goals And wins the Coleman in 2026, surely he isn’t going to still be paid just $600k per annum from 2027-2029?

 

[freo_leo29]

You raise an interesting point here that I have long pondered. The step change in how elite young AFL players are paid is a fascinating case study actually, and it’s a bit of a black box. I’m not convinced that the scenario you describe where a player is outperforming his contract by double towards the end of such contracts tends to happen too often.
Nowadays you can split a top AFL players career into two halves - the first 8 years, and the rest. Free agency happens after 8 years. For Jye that’s end of 2029 season.
The first 2 years are capped at rookie wages of $110k
Year 3 & 4, generally the first extension for these guys, is around $400 to $450k for players of Jyes level. Then the contract for years 5-8 (the same stage someone like Andy Brayshaw is currently in, a 6th year player) is maybe $550-600k

However, we know that according to last year and this years herald sun salary list, that Andy is earning $750-800k this year and last year. That contract was signed at the end of Andy’s third year. He hadn’t had a breakout season at that point - certainly wouldn’t have warranted a deal worth that kind of $$ in year 5.
Surely there must have been some kind of trigger Andy met to achieve the salary he (deservedly) is earning now in year 5 & 6?
And is it likely that Jye is the same.
For example, If Jye kicks 75 goals And wins the Coleman in 2026, surely he isn’t going to still be paid just $600k per annum from 2027-2029?

This list is known to be wildly innacurate, it's all guessing

 

[Taylor]

You raise an interesting point here that I have long pondered. The step change in how elite young AFL players are paid is a fascinating case study actually, and it’s a bit of a black box. I’m not convinced that the scenario you describe where a player is outperforming his contract by double towards the end of such contracts tends to happen too often.
Nowadays you can split a top AFL players career into two halves - the first 8 years, and the rest. Free agency happens after 8 years. For Jye that’s end of 2029 season.
The first 2 years are capped at rookie wages of $110k
Year 3 & 4, generally the first extension for these guys, is around $400 to $450k for players of Jyes level. Then the contract for years 5-8 (the same stage someone like Andy Brayshaw is currently in, a 6th year player) is maybe $550-600k

However, we know that according to last year and this years herald sun salary list, that Andy is earning $750-800k this year and last year. That contract was signed at the end of Andy’s third year. He hadn’t had a breakout season at that point - certainly wouldn’t have warranted a deal worth that kind of $$ in year 5.
Surely there must have been some kind of trigger Andy met to achieve the salary he (deservedly) is earning now in year 5 & 6?
And is it likely that Jye is the same.
For example, If Jye kicks 75 goals And wins the Coleman in 2026, surely he isn’t going to still be paid just $600k per annum from 2027-2029?

Hopefully the club are in position around that 2026 with Jye dominant to approach him about paying more and adding on years while we are there.

If you're contracted for two more years and your club want to pay you another $200,000 for those seasons, plus another 4 million across five extra years surely you'd take that.

Maybe even if another club has a 7 year, 1m deal on offer.

 

[nurries]

Must of been a real Jye/Jai day yesterday. Nev’s contract then Jai Hindley wins a stage on the TDF and the yellow jersey to boot.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You raise an interesting point here that I have long pondered. The step change in how elite young AFL players are paid is a fascinating case study actually, and it’s a bit of a black box. I’m not convinced that the scenario you describe where a player is outperforming his contract by double towards the end of such contracts tends to happen too often.
Nowadays you can split a top AFL players career into two halves - the first 8 years, and the rest. Free agency happens after 8 years. For Jye that’s end of 2029 season.
The first 2 years are capped at rookie wages of $110k
Year 3 & 4, generally the first extension for these guys, is around $400 to $450k for players of Jyes level. Then the contract for years 5-8 (the same stage someone like Andy Brayshaw is currently in, a 6th year player) is maybe $550-600k

However, we know that according to last year and this years herald sun salary list, that Andy is earning $750-800k this year and last year. That contract was signed at the end of Andy’s third year. He hadn’t had a breakout season at that point - certainly wouldn’t have warranted a deal worth that kind of $$ in year 5.
Surely there must have been some kind of trigger Andy met to achieve the salary he (deservedly) is earning now in year 5 & 6?
And is it likely that Jye is the same.
For example, If Jye kicks 75 goals And wins the Coleman in 2026, surely he isn’t going to still be paid just $600k per annum from 2027-2029?

Doubles possibly overdoing it and maybe it's staggered to increase but generally, the longer the contract, the more of a discount the player takes for the added security. I imagine the idea of having a contract locked in till 2029 is very appealing and if that averages at 600k a year, a 19 year old can set up their life with that money.

I see little reason for Freo to extend him out that far if it was to pre-emptively lock him in for 800k a season. Both sides are hedging with that deal. Maybe there is a bonus for something like winning a Coleman / AA to cover all bases

 

[Purple Jesus]

His manager on the contract: Player manager provides insight into Amiss’ lengthy Freo extension

Amazing that he hasn't completed a full preseason yet and is this good.

 

[freo_leo29]

I see little reason for Freo to extend him out that far if it was to pre-emptively lock him in for 800k a season. Both sides are hedging with that deal. Maybe there is a bonus for something like winning a Coleman / AA to cover all bases

I'd say it went a little bit like this

They approached to up his 24 and 25 years, we agreed but offered to extendz
they agreed but will have an eye to renegotiating that extension in 4 years or so

Faith between the player and the club to do right by each other

 

[BringBackTheAnchor]

Since the last time I mentioned him, has Eggs Benny improved enough or is he still ripe for the cutting?

Bit of talk Roy Benning will be delisted at seasons end, hes still playing WAFL ressies most weeks and getting fairly average numbers unfortunately.

 

[oldgoat]

Do you think with this and MJ extension we are gearing up for a long term offer to Darcy?

Yes please....no brainer?

 

[Dockeroo]

And surging to number one on the Biggest w***ers in AFL media list:

 

[Joao]

And surging to number one on the Biggest w***ers in AFL media list:

I hope he's not serious because if he is, it shows how clueless he is.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

And surging to number one on the Biggest w***ers in AFL media list:

Lol apparently tackles trumps goals now?

 

[Megalon]

I love you Andy Maher for taking attention away from our young KPF who is kicking 3 or 4 goals every other game

 

[fnerd]

I hope he's not serious because if he is, it shows how clueless he is.

Andy Maher has forever and a day been one of the biggest muppets in the media going … he’s deadly serious, so nothing should shock in that tweet.
Just as knowing he’s an avid Carlton supporter shouldn’t either.

 

[Superkoops]

I love you Andy Maher for taking attention away from our young KPF who is kicking 3 or 4 goals every other game

Maher has no idea. I agree that his first four would be in the top 5. I like Ginbey but no way he is top 5.

As at the moment my top 5:
1. Ashcroft
2. Amiss
3. Sheezel
4. Owens
5. Callaghan

Amiss isn’t far off pushing ahead of Ashcroft.

I also feel Owens is pushing up. Sheezel is good but seems to get a lot of cheapies across half back. Gave us a bath in round 2 though. Finn Callaghan is an impressive winger and there was a reason we tried to push up that draft. Imagine having Callaghan and Amiss.

So that top 5 can really move around before end of the year. For mine Amiss should be right in the mix for Rising star given what he is achieving as key forward.

 

[s_wd6]

Maher has no idea. I agree that his first four would be in the top 5. I like Ginbey but no way he is top 5.

As at the moment my top 5:
1. Ashcroft
2. Amiss
3. Sheezel
4. Owens
5. Callaghan

Amiss isn’t far off pushing ahead of Ashcroft.

I also feel Owens is pushing up. Sheezel is good but seems to get a lot of cheapies across half back. Gave us a bath in round 2 though. Finn Callaghan is an impressive winger and there was a reason we tried to push up that draft. Imagine having Callaghan and Amiss.

So that top 5 can really move around before end of the year. For mine Amiss should be right in the mix for Rising star given what he is achieving as key forward.

As good as Ashcroft has been, he has a huge advantage by playing in a midfield with the likes of Neale and Dunkley who attract a lot more attention than he does. And his numbers aren’t incredible by any means. He’s rated average in a lot of categories and only above average in disposals (22 a game). Meanwhile Sheezel is rated elite in a few categories, albeit playing an easier role.

Owens and Amiss play the hardest roles and excel at them which weights heavily into my judgement. Owens edges just ahead because he’s more versatile around the ground and impacts games more. Amiss as well is average or below in a lot of stats, but he’s kicking 2 goals a game vs the number 1 defender which is probably one of the hardest things to do for someone of his age, so he sits above the other two.

So I’d have it
1. Owens
2. Amiss
3. Sheezel
4. Ashcroft

 

[gaskin]

Ashcroft is being massively overrated due to the team and midfield he is in. Owens and Amiss should be 1 and 2 in whatever order one wants to put them in.

 

[fnerd]

Ye Ashcroft being placed 1st in any voting is just media/profile bias.

All of owens sheezel and amiss clearly ahead for mine

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Owens just ahead of Amiss for mine. Jye probably needs another 21 goals to make a case they can’t ignore.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Not sure many of us saw a 40 goal season coming from him this year before the year started.

Awesome year.

 

[s_wd6]

Not sure many of us saw a 40 goal season coming from him this year before the year started.

Awesome year.

Paul Hasleby did

 

[FreoRicci]

41. What a season.
Him and Treacy will be beautiful to watch

 

[Piggy Smalls]

41 goals has exceeded the expectations of most. He’s the smartest and cleanest tall we’ve had forward of centre since Pavlich. Absolute jet.

 

[332docker]

Got to be a shoe in for rising star. Jess hogan is only FWD to kick more goals than Amiss in his rising star season.

Can't wait to see him after he has done a full pre-season