- May 8, 2019
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Watching the eagles press conference yesterday, i think mini said umm more than Yze. But you know, we stuffed up there
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Livingstone was part of that incompetent football department prior to 2017 your kidding. Didn't say he organised it as a business sense Balme , it was football related and yes he got everyone on the same page and the correct roles. Without his input we we're a mess and divided. Ran the club in the hub lool let's not go there we got 2 warnings from the afl for behaviour and next was a deduction of points and the Dimma issue to far from great yes we won the flag , but we come out of there terrible and the club has never been the same like it or not. Funny how you don't give him any accountability on the mess of fitness and conditioning last 2 seasons, or recruitment etc and poor appointments.Factually incorrect. What was Dan Richardsons role at Richmond? For a start. Hint...GM of Football.
Balmey organised the whole football department? He did nothing of the sort. In fact it is laughable to state he organised anything in a 21st century business sense. Organisation structure? Set KPIs for coaches? Formal and informal performance reviews? Opened a computer?
He was great as a mentor, calmed things down, handled the media and took a lot of pressure off Hardwick. But get some perspective, please.
Livingstone has been responsible for conditioning, they report to him (and changes have been made) assistant coaches also, but the senior coach has the call on who they bring in, don't overstate that either. He also did all the work during our dynasty years too. Ran the club in the hub (where was Balmey?) and delivered the best flag of the 3 imo.
Livingstone was part of that incompetent football department prior to 2017 your kidding. Didn't say he organised it as a business sense Balme , it was football related and yes he got everyone on the same page and the correct roles. Without his input we we're a mess and divided. Ran the club in the hub lool let's not go there we got 2 warnings from the afl for behaviour and next was a deduction of points and the Dimma issue to far from great yes we won the flag , but we come out of there terrible and the club has never been the same like it or not. Funny how you don't give him any accountability on the mess of fitness and conditioning last 2 seasons, or recruitment etc and poor appointments.
There wouldn’t be too many clubs that wouldn’t give a premiership coach a fat contract fresh off his third flagBalmey messed up in 2020 though by giving Dimma the fat contract which forced everyone to slowly leave as their wages remained the same. Benny and Balmey signed off on that against a few members of the boards will as they wanted him sacked . Balmey became too contented in the end. Then his health went downhill and the others like Livo went down as the avalanche had already started. The time Hardwick wasn’t sacked was the beginning of the end and that falls mainly on Gale and Balme.
Agreed but given the state of the soft cap they didn’t reward the assistants as well , and we’ve seen what happenedThere wouldn’t be too many clubs that wouldn’t give a premiership coach a fat contract fresh off his third flag
Agree, but he crapped off some players, friends , other staff members and their WAGS who were very close with Danielle. It was the beginning of the end.There wouldn’t be too many clubs that wouldn’t give a premiership coach a fat contract fresh off his third flag
Pre season pressers?And a close second, a communication public speaking trainer for Adem
Not a narrative mate.The casual lunch that brought a club favourite’s time at Tigerland to an end
Neil Balme, a key part of Richmond’s return to AFL prominence, talks about the “briefly awkward” discussion that made it clear this would be his last year at the club.www.theage.com.au
That's your narrative. He wanted to go on and clearly stated it even in a part time role. Gale shouldn't even been making that decision as he was checked out and no right to make future plans. The club made the call on Balmey not himself and that crap it was based on his health I never bought it.
I didn't mention Richardson and no need to the focus is on Livingstone problem is you can't acknowledge his mistakes.Go back and read again
“…responsible for conditioning…”
Recruitment >Blair Hartley
Coaching appointments>senior coach (but part of the decision)
And if you think the FD doesn’t need a professional structure then I’ll point you towards Windy Hill as exhibit A.
Did you concede on Dan Richardson? Or that’s too uncomfortable?
P.s. Do you really believe the Richmond issues in the hub were unique? Wake up.
Might be underselling Jake a bit, was a playing assistant at Frankston, then involved in development at the Saints and then coached Sandringham in his own right for 4 seasons. He might be 'cheap' as far as cost goes, but he has a fair bit of experience behind him, while working under Richardson Ratten & Lyon. He could be a very astute pick up.Jake Batchelor seems like a cheap option and may need support to help develop our kids and also structure our development program. And himself. Matthew Knights has experience in abundance. He’s won a flag at VFL level. Bring him home, he’s always wanted that. Head of Development role would be perfect. Sit in the VFL and on the bench at AFL level whilst we have that young team.
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So Livingstone is responsible for the demise of our club cause he turned a blind eye while Dimma ran amoke in the hub. Thanks for confirmingFactually incorrect. What was Dan Richardsons role at Richmond? For a start. Hint...GM of Football.
Balmey organised the whole football department? He did nothing of the sort. In fact it is laughable to state he organised anything in a 21st century business sense. Organisation structure? Set KPIs for coaches? Formal and informal performance reviews? Opened a computer?
He was great as a mentor, calmed things down, handled the media and took a lot of pressure off Hardwick. But get some perspective, please.
Livingstone has been responsible for conditioning, they report to him (and changes have been made) assistant coaches also, but the senior coach has the call on who they bring in, don't overstate that either. He also did all the work during our dynasty years too. Ran the club in the hub (where was Balmey?) and delivered the best flag of the 3 imo.
2 seasons, 2023 wasnt a great deal better.Can’t go through another season like this it was an utter joke
One club’s supporters refer to him as Erik Seven Hag.I’d rather Erik Ten Hag as coach
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I don’t know the bloke personally but I’m pretty good at reading the room, I think he was his own worst enemy , his inner demons impacting his own family dynamic more than his Richmond family and that’s what fueled his motivation to get out of town. It’s a moot point really so don’t care to waste any time on it . But those demons undoubtedly clouded his decision making and that was telling on his performance in 2023 and likely 2022 as well and it all just blew up in the endAgree, but he crapped off some players, friends , other staff members and their WAGS who were very close with Danielle. It was the beginning of the end.
Morro was widely lampooned on here and is now one of the hottest emerging talents going around and am rapt to see him step up for 25 , look forward to seeing what Jake can do toMight be underselling Jake a bit, was a playing assistant at Frankston, then involved in development at the Saints and then coached Sandringham in his own right for 4 seasons. He might be 'cheap' as far as cost goes, but he has a fair bit of experience behind him, while working under Richardson Ratten & Lyon. He could be a very astute pick up.
I think that’s a stretch , twas a unique period to have 50 blokes in one place and to thrive to the point that we won the flag was a monumental achievement , incidents were way overblown, absolute tall poppy syndrome , most clubs handled the hub terribly, we certainly werent one of thoseI didn't mention Richardson and no need to the focus is on Livingstone problem is you can't acknowledge his mistakes.
No you mentioned he handled the hub well it was far from it regardless what other clubs did we come out of that a mess
the football department needs a cool head and professional structure and they should be held accountable for poor decisions
So Livingstone is responsible for the demise of our club cause he turned a blind eye while Dimma ran amoke in the hub. Thanks for confirming
This is all through your rose coloured glasses tho &, I think, the club were perhaps wearing the same pair.
It was quite clear to a lot of us that the bubble had burst, the culture had changed & the overall standards had dropped.
A person who is not arrogant would understand, with only ONE of these things happening, you are not a legitimate chance to win a flag. We had all 3 happening. To think we could win a flag when we had these, plus several other issues (outdated game plan, aging & body broken list, mass exodus of elite level assistants team etc ) - was arrogant & lacked total self awareness. I said this at the time & so did quite a few others, so it was clearly foreseeable.
People keep going on like losing a EF by a point is some "glass doors" moment between us and our 14th flag. We were miles off it. We finished 7th, 5 wins of 1st place & 3 wins out of the top 4. That is a big difference. The core group was about to get another year older - the signs were right there that it was over. If they needed to prove 2021 wasn't just a down year, then finishing 7th and losing your EF the next year should have been the moment you accept, its probably over. If we rebuild at that exact point, things are quite rosey, especially as we to 5 picks in the top 30 at the draft.
Instead, we traded 2 years of picks to get Taranto & Hopper. Game over