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Were Carlton Players Rapists?
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Pigs arse
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If he said it was $20,000 per woman it might be believable. $5000 to a rape victim is an abolute joke, as if anyone would accept that........unless they weren't r*ped....oh...right.
If he said it was $20,000 per woman it might be believable. $5000 to a rape victim is an abolute joke, as if anyone would accept that........unless they weren't r*ped....oh...right.
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Typical culture of Carlton.
Hardly surprising that something like this would come from the club with no morals.
Typical culture of Carlton.
Hardly surprising that something like this would come from the club with no morals.
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The fact he did mention he thought at least 1 was legit doesn't come into it at all...
The fact he did mention he thought at least 1 was legit doesn't come into it at all...
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I wouldn't be suprised. Footballers don't exactly have the best wrap.
But $5000? Honestly...
I wouldn't be suprised. Footballers don't exactly have the best wrap.
But $5000? Honestly...
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What a well timed piece of journalism !
What a well timed piece of journalism !
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Ummm, no.
collingwood have the worst morals and most ferals out of everyone in the afl
Ummm, no.
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haaha.
collingwood have the worst morals and most ferals out of everyone in the afl
haaha.
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This seems a strange thing for Elliot to come out & disclose. Does anyone know if it is illegal to offer "hush money" or for the girls to take it? It would be terrible for any player to have false accusations thrown out in the media (mud sticks) but I don't think paying these girls off is a good solution. I'd hate to think that any girl with a legitimate case could be bought off so cheaply but then again I would imagine that it would make more sense to take a legit claim to the police rather than to a football club, unless of course you were seeking cash not justice.
This seems a strange thing for Elliot to come out & disclose. Does anyone know if it is illegal to offer "hush money" or for the girls to take it? It would be terrible for any player to have false accusations thrown out in the media (mud sticks) but I don't think paying these girls off is a good solution. I'd hate to think that any girl with a legitimate case could be bought off so cheaply but then again I would imagine that it would make more sense to take a legit claim to the police rather than to a football club, unless of course you were seeking cash not justice.
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So instead of going to the police they went to the football club for money.
Hmmm.
Andrew Lovetts missus went to the police after he hit her, but i bet the OP still creams his pants when he gets his hands on the ball.
So instead of going to the police they went to the football club for money.
Hmmm.
Andrew Lovetts missus went to the police after he hit her, but i bet the OP still creams his pants when he gets his hands on the ball.
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So what you're trying to say is I should not get excited over a player doing very well because Lovett has a chequred history?
He faced court at least and didn't just throw money at it?
So what you're trying to say is I should not get excited over a player doing very well because Lovett has a chequred history?
He faced court at least and didn't just throw money at it?
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That would be highly unethical of the Police to say before we press charges lady we better tell the footy club first.
After all we are talking about an alleged rape charge not some bloke yelling show us your **** out a car window.
Yes he was charged for his attack on his girlfriend.
A low low act.
Now list all the Carlton players who have been charged for the criminal offense of rape in the last 20 years?
That would be highly unethical of the Police to say before we press charges lady we better tell the footy club first.
After all we are talking about an alleged rape charge not some bloke yelling show us your **** out a car window.
Yes he was charged for his attack on his girlfriend.
A low low act.
Now list all the Carlton players who have been charged for the criminal offense of rape in the last 20 years?
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Pay day at Carlton:
Pay day at Carlton:
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Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse.
Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse.
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We told you we were coming.
We told you we were coming.
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The thing about hush money for alleged rapes is... it's complex.
The police aren't going to make a media fuss about it if someone just comes and 'raises it' or 'makes enquiries' about it. Nothing is official until a formal complaint is made, there isn't a record until someone says they want to go on record.
Also, the police are, and in the 90s were even more so, not exactly the most welcoming place for people wishing to report a rape. It's only recently that specialist rape officers were introduced, and you still have to go up to the front desk and ask about it.
Then there's the fact that rape, particularly the complex sexual assault issues like partial consent (i.e. initial yes but then a no which is ignored), - because it is such a taboo topic for just about everyone except specialist support people or the arseholes who just call people ****s - takes time to deal with and decide what to do, and by then evidence is gone and it's nothing more than a he said/she said. It's also worth noting Mr Obvious's comment that 'Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse'. This is a pretty tight legal definition; there's an awful lot of what is now considered criminal sexual assault that wasn't properly covered by rape laws even as recently as the 90s. Things like 'intercourse' being the specific definition. Rape laws were originally designed with 'stranger attacking in a dark alley' in mind, so never really coped with things like 'No, I'm not doing THAT' or 'No, I didn't say your friend could watch'.
What generally happened in the past (and still happens somewhat less often) is;
"Here's some hush money, you'd better take it, because if you go public the whole world gets to hear about your entire sexual history in order to discredit you, and you'll have to testify in excruciating detail exactly what happened, with the perpetrator sitting across from you, and besides that the chances of a successful prosecution are practically zero anyway, and when the not-guilty verdict comes through the whole world will think you're a liar."
It's an established fact that that was how George Pell did it, on behalf of the Catholic Church when 'managing' it's child abuse legacy, And the practice is unfortunately normal for organisations or individuals with ruthless lawyers.
It's interesting that Elliot declared 'no doubt, case solved' on any incident where the player denied it. Seems hardly adequate.
It's also interesting that he took the acceptance of hush money as proof that no sexual assault occured.
It is particularly interesting that he doesn't feel bound by any privacy considerations to not make public statements to the effect that the women in question are liars.
I worry that, if some of the women who accepted the money were indeed r*ped, and have done their best to put it behind them all these years, having it raised publicly like this, with the clear implication that it never happened and that they were just after money, might just be a little bit distressing, no?
It might also void the confidentiality aspect of the 'hush' agreement. If the club can say what they like about them, surely they can respond with their version of events involving 'unnamed Carlton players'.
A final thought, how the hell did anyone thing this was a topic suited to trolling other football clubs?
I like to think that Melbourne has a good and improving culture in this area, but how would I know really? It only takes a couple of bastards and a hesitant response from the club and that all changes instantly. Same goes for every club.
Having charges pressed (re: Mentallo) isn't much of a measure of what happened. Remember that Ben Cousins is legally speaking drug-free and always has been.
And 'j-ham', seriously? 'We'll be rapists on friday night'? Go explain that to your mother.
The thing about hush money for alleged rapes is... it's complex.
The police aren't going to make a media fuss about it if someone just comes and 'raises it' or 'makes enquiries' about it. Nothing is official until a formal complaint is made, there isn't a record until someone says they want to go on record.
Also, the police are, and in the 90s were even more so, not exactly the most welcoming place for people wishing to report a rape. It's only recently that specialist rape officers were introduced, and you still have to go up to the front desk and ask about it.
Then there's the fact that rape, particularly the complex sexual assault issues like partial consent (i.e. initial yes but then a no which is ignored), - because it is such a taboo topic for just about everyone except specialist support people or the arseholes who just call people ****s - takes time to deal with and decide what to do, and by then evidence is gone and it's nothing more than a he said/she said. It's also worth noting Mr Obvious's comment that 'Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse'. This is a pretty tight legal definition; there's an awful lot of what is now considered criminal sexual assault that wasn't properly covered by rape laws even as recently as the 90s. Things like 'intercourse' being the specific definition. Rape laws were originally designed with 'stranger attacking in a dark alley' in mind, so never really coped with things like 'No, I'm not doing THAT' or 'No, I didn't say your friend could watch'.
What generally happened in the past (and still happens somewhat less often) is;
"Here's some hush money, you'd better take it, because if you go public the whole world gets to hear about your entire sexual history in order to discredit you, and you'll have to testify in excruciating detail exactly what happened, with the perpetrator sitting across from you, and besides that the chances of a successful prosecution are practically zero anyway, and when the not-guilty verdict comes through the whole world will think you're a liar."
It's an established fact that that was how George Pell did it, on behalf of the Catholic Church when 'managing' it's child abuse legacy, And the practice is unfortunately normal for organisations or individuals with ruthless lawyers.
It's interesting that Elliot declared 'no doubt, case solved' on any incident where the player denied it. Seems hardly adequate.
It's also interesting that he took the acceptance of hush money as proof that no sexual assault occured.
It is particularly interesting that he doesn't feel bound by any privacy considerations to not make public statements to the effect that the women in question are liars.
I worry that, if some of the women who accepted the money were indeed r*ped, and have done their best to put it behind them all these years, having it raised publicly like this, with the clear implication that it never happened and that they were just after money, might just be a little bit distressing, no?
It might also void the confidentiality aspect of the 'hush' agreement. If the club can say what they like about them, surely they can respond with their version of events involving 'unnamed Carlton players'.
A final thought, how the hell did anyone thing this was a topic suited to trolling other football clubs?
I like to think that Melbourne has a good and improving culture in this area, but how would I know really? It only takes a couple of bastards and a hesitant response from the club and that all changes instantly. Same goes for every club.
Having charges pressed (re: Mentallo) isn't much of a measure of what happened. Remember that Ben Cousins is legally speaking drug-free and always has been.
And 'j-ham', seriously? 'We'll be rapists on friday night'? Go explain that to your mother.
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