Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2024

[Ticky009]

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[CatToTheFuture]

Thats exactly what should be done if they arent going to remove some of the rubbish.
No point going halfway and compromising it for the northern clubs and whichever club gets a lucky f/s, at least do the teams that have been shit for a few years too

Yeah, it's just too hard to get right though. How much is it worth when you consider there's a club out there that has gone top 4 nearly every year for 20 years and hasn't had a really draftable academy or father son prospect come through since John Howard's third term in office.

Then you have a list build like Melbourne's built entirely around a couple of really elite early pick mids.

If you can't effectively judge the talent a list has, and you can't know if you're handing a team Harley Reid or DGB, then how does the AFL actually know at all what it is doing? You're making it worse

 

[stallon]

Yeah, it's just too hard to get right though. How much is it worth when you consider there's a club out there that has gone top 4 nearly every year for 20 years and hasn't had a really draftable academy or father son prospect come through since John Howard's third term in office.

Then you have a list build like Melbourne's built entirely around a couple of really elite early pick mids.

If you can't effectively judge the talent a list has, and you can't know if you're handing a team Harley Reid or DGB, then how does the AFL actually know at all what it is doing? You're making it worse

The best way is to remove all of it. Pure draft, some matching of f/s or whatever if theyre bid late in the draft maybe but thats it.
I dont care what Geelong or Melbourne have, if they go to the bottom and win less than 10 games in 3 years they would be in priority picks talks too.

The AFL effectively hands GC, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS priority picks nearly every year, if the AFL extended that to the clubs that are truly at the bottom with a couple of 2nd round picks, its hardly going to break the competition

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The best way is to remove all of it. Pure draft, some matching of f/s or whatever if theyre bid late in the draft maybe but thats it.
I dont care what Geelong or Melbourne have, if they go to the bottom and win less than 10 games in 3 years they would be in priority picks talks too.

The AFL effectively hands GC, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS priority picks nearly every year, if the AFL extended that to the clubs that are truly at the bottom with a couple of 2nd round picks, its hardly going to break the competition

Yeah but GC, Sydney, Brisbane, GWS drives brings different things to the business of football than the rest of us. Fairness is the second priority

 

[stallon]

Yeah but GC, Sydney, Brisbane, GWS drives brings different things to the business of football than the rest of us. Fairness is the second priority

Having teams be uncompetitive for years hurts the competition.

I dont care what the northern clubs bring, thats not really relevant to the average person who wants to enjoy watching footy.
If the supposed not for profit AFL wants to put money over fairness then they dont deserve to be the biggest professional sport in the country

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Having teams be uncompetitive for years hurts the competition.

I dont care what the northern clubs bring, thats not really relevant to the average person who wants to enjoy watching footy.
If the supposed not for profit AFL wants to put money over fairness then they dont deserve to be the biggest professional sport in the country

Yeah it only starts hurting when you start losing fans though and you're a long long way from that

 

[stallon]

Yeah it only starts hurting when you start losing fans though and you're a long long way from that

Shouldnt be rules for different clubs due to their off-field stuff.

Clubs like West Coast fund clubs like North, they at the very least should get the exact same treatment from the AFL in terms of priority picks.

Any different and the league should not be allowed to call itself a fair competition and should have to advertise that they are an entertainment company like the WWE

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Shouldnt be rules for different clubs due to their off-field stuff.

Clubs like West Coast fund clubs like North, they at the very least should get the exact same treatment from the AFL in terms of priority picks.

Any different and the league should not be allowed to call itself a fair competition and should have to advertise that they are an entertainment company like the WWE

Shouldn't, but realistically there kind of is though. No one is ever giving Geelong one for instance

 

[stallon]

Shouldn't, but realistically there kind of is though. No one is ever giving Geelong one for instance

If Geelong become shit for 3+ years with less than 10 wins in 3 years then they will be in the conversation.
Dont try and pretend your club wouldnt be either, its not my opinion its just the conversation that will happen.

Your club got some elite f/s picks in the 2000s, and a few older players who have lasted longer than they should have. Youve ridden that wave since 2007 with those players, using their success to attract other good players to top up. It will come to an end eventually

 

[Obeanie1]

The AFL should tell West Coast to forget about a priority pick when they've had a Premiership in the past decade.

Would totally agree if the AFL also stopped handing out assistance to teams playing in and winning grand finals.

But they wont. They continue to allow very successful clubs, recently successful clubs priority and discounted access to quality kids.

Where other clubs struggling to rebuild and become at least competitive have got nothing.

 

[Obeanie1]

Shouldn't, but realistically there kind of is though. No one is ever giving Geelong one for instance

They will never need assistance.

Country Victoria as a feeder zone for mature talent. Really really cheap house and land packages outside the fish bowl of Melbourne. Very attractive to get quality players traded in often at a discount.

A destination club for free agents.

Geelong has natural advantages due to location and history. Oh....andreally cheap house and land packages.

 

[THE_GUN]

I wouldnt be against the eagles getting a PP to be honest , They have been pretty sh!t for 4 years now and not looking like improving anytime soon with all their best players apart from 4-5 coming to an end and no draft picks or tradeable players to acquire decent picks. They will hit rock bottom in 2016 and with Tassie taking the picks could be bottom 4 for the next 7/8 years.

Where is the petition ill sign

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I wouldnt be against the eagles getting a PP to be honest , They have been pretty sh!t for 4 years now and not looking like improving anytime soon with all their best players apart from 4-5 coming to an end and no draft picks or tradeable players to acquire decent picks. They will hit rock bottom in 2016 and with Tassie taking the picks could be bottom 4 for the next 7/8 years.

Where is the petition ill sign

Who hurt you?

 

[THE_GUN]

Who hurt you?

Geoff Raines when he left Richmond

but that was 40 years ago so its all ok

 

[Obeanie1]

Who hurt you?

With The Gun it's predominately self harm.

He gets extremely focused on any trade discussions involving Tigers players and gets disappointed when they go for market rates instead of his over inflated value.

It's going to be a tough off season for him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Would totally agree if the AFL also stopped handing out assistance to teams playing in and winning grand finals.

But they wont. They continue to allow very successful clubs, recently successful clubs priority and discounted access to quality kids.

Where other clubs struggling to rebuild and become at least competitive have got nothing.

I'd give up the northern academies tomorrow if the AFL would get off their arses and run them themselves. But they expect clubs in rugby league territory to perform double duty and train the next generation of players while also trying to focus on winning flags. There has to be a proper incentive for that, or they should just let the clubs focus on winning flags like every other club did for over a century.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'd give up the northern academies tomorrow if the AFL would get off their arses and run them themselves. But they expect clubs in rugby league territory to perform double duty and train the next generation of players while also trying to focus on winning flags. There has to be a proper incentive for that, or they should just let the clubs focus on winning flags like every other club did for over a century.

What an enormous load of garbage. AFL 100% fund and run these for them .

 

[Johnny Bananas]

What an enormous load of garbage. AFL 100% fund and run these for them .

You know nothing, Jon Snow. Though that's pretty obvious going by your track record.

 

[Obeanie1]

I'd give up the northern academies tomorrow if the AFL would get off their arses and run them themselves. But they expect clubs in rugby league territory to perform double duty and train the next generation of players while also trying to focus on winning flags. There has to be a proper incentive for that, or they should just let the clubs focus on winning flags like every other club did for over a century.

So exactly what resources is Brisbane diverting from it's AFL team to develop talent?

None. Zero.

The programs are not funded by the club but the AFL and sponsors. Sponsors love junior development.

A Lions player may get paid to attend a clinic but so does West Coast players and other teams.

The AFL and sponsors fund it.

Brisbane, Swans, Suns and GWS put their brand on the additional staff and programs funded from external parties. Get first dibs on any talent from their state zones.

So yes everyone would also be happy for the AFL to end the charade and AFL and sponsor funded junior develipment programs that only support select expansion clubs in the states where the AFL is chasing more TV rights $$.

 

[Obeanie1]

You know nothing, Jon Snow. Though that's pretty obvious going by your track record.

And you are overstating what clubs are investing.

And what is being funded by the AFL and sponsors.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You know nothing, Jon Snow. Though that's pretty obvious going by your track record.

Its a well known fact by most. The reality is the academy for Gold Coast costs more to run then the sponsorship money they get and AFL just pops up the rest. Youd have to be pretty naive to think a club thats lost 4 million dollars in last 3 years as a total is funding its own academy...

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So exactly what resources is Brisbane diverting from it's AFL team to develop talent?

None. Zero.

The programs are not funded by the club but the AFL and sponsors. Sponsors love junior development.

Prove it.

The AFL and sponsors fund it.

Brisbane, Swans, Suns and GWS put their brand on the additional staff and programs funded from external parties. Get first dibs on any talent from their state zones.

At best they're given more money from the centralised distribution to cover the cost. The fact remains that they have to hire staff and expend the time and effort to make the academy run and perform.

So yes everyone would also be happy for the AFL to end the charade and AFL and sponsor funded junior develipment programs that only support select expansion clubs in the states where the AFL is chasing more TV rights $$.

I don't care what you're happy for.

And you are overstating what clubs are investing.

And what is being funded by the AFL and sponsors.

Go on then, give us the full numbers if you know everything.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Its a well known fact by most. The reality is the academy for Gold Coast costs more to run then the sponsorship money they get and AFL just pops up the rest. Youd have to be pretty naive to think a club thats lost 4 million dollars in last 3 years as a total is funding its own academy...

You'd have to be pretty naive to think the club isn't hiring staff and giving time and effort to the academy, regardless of the breakdown or money. But perhaps you could supply some actual facts here instead of making assumptions and thumping your own chest about how intelligent you are?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

And you are overstating what clubs are investing.

And what is being funded by the AFL and sponsors.

Its in the financial reports of each club. In the financial reports of each club AFL income is in 1 line item. Eagles received 14.5 mill BUT have to pay royalities on this amount to fund the WAFL at 2.8 mill

Gold Coast got 28.8 mill and then 5 mill from AFL based sponsorships for a total of 34 mill all up.

A bit of a discrepancy yeah? This is from 2023 also. Important to note this is the lowest the discrepancy has ever been. Most years its been closer to 30 mill

Links here for Johnny to read over

https://footyindustry.com/docs/Gold%20Coast%202023%20Annual%20Report.pdf

https://footyindustry.com/docs/WCE%202023%20Annual%20Report.pdf

 

[Obeanie1]

You'd have to be pretty naive to think the club isn't hiring staff and giving time and effort to the academy, regardless of the breakdown or money. But perhaps you could supply soClubhiresme actual facts here instead of making assumptions and thumping your own chest about how intelligent you are?

Club hires them and it's operated under the club banner.

The AFL and AFL sponsors fund it. You do understand this concept. How can the AFL expect an expansion club to fund state junior football development? They can't so AFL and sponsors provide the cash.

Well apart from WA where both clubs together pay $5million plus as dividends to run WA football.

Clubs provide players at clinics as part of their overall obligations. Every club does that.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Club hires them and it's operated under the club banner.

The AFL and AFL sponsors fund it. You do understand this concept. How can the AFL expect an expansion club to fund state junior football development? They can't so AFL and sponsors provide the cash.

Well apart from WA where both clubs together pay $5million plus as dividends to run WA football.

Wonderful. You know that it takes time and effort to convert money into a functioning academy, right?

Clubs provide players at clinics as part of their overall obligations. Every club does that.

You think an academy is the same as a clinic? Good grief. There's no point continuing this conversation.