West Coast Eagles Priority Pick (2024)

[Better Loosen Up]

It was 2nd rounder & 3rd rounder tied to your finishing position, behind your picks.

You're correct. Plus they can have a couple of extra list spots. That's it.

 

[Bob Neil]

Does any other global sporting organisation have a similar concept of priority picks for sustained underperformance that we do in the AFL?

 

[VinnieB]

Huh? Chasing Kelly a year after winning a flag?

Guess we can expect Brisbane to start the rebuild this year then?


We're currently in a worse spot than when North first got assistance.

You mean Collingwood?

One thing I could almost guarantee, is that the Collingwood Football Club would not be in a position of winning only about 5 games from 50 with constant thrashing and being completely uncompetitive now for almost 3 years.

The top clubs don’t let that happen.

 

[tombomb]

You do realise they were offered diabolical trade offers for it and don't do the pick index points value every bloke around knows it's horribly overvalued for mid tier picks. The main offer was 18,18, 19 for 1 basically, these picks became mid to late 20's on draft night...no club in their right mid is doing that deal. The Melbourne deal was worse so forget that. Don't think North ever packaged up an offer that included pick 2 or 3. If they did with their f1 it would have been considered.

There's an old saying quantity does not equal quality, 3 average to below average players is not better than one sure thing and Reid was the surest thing to come out of the draft in a decade.

6 +11 + f1st from Melbourne wasn't a diabolical offer.

I would have needed more than that to agree to it, but it was a good start. I would have told Melbourne to get pick 10 off Adelaide and then it would be a deal.

They could have turned pick 1 in ten selections under 30 in the next few drafts if they were willing to deal and be creative.

 

[VinnieB]

Not in this draft, or the next, or the one after.

Father/son is an incredibly unreliable draft mechanism and it shouldn't exist due to far too many variables.

If they want it to remain a thing, then the father sons should be able to join their father's club's academy and all clubs should be able to access their own kids that way. That way the club can build a formal relationship with the players from a young age and each club gets proper opportunity to invest in their direct growth

You don’t think clubs who have F/S prospects don’t work with them early on? The good clubs do.

 

[Elixuh]

Huh? Chasing Kelly a year after winning a flag?

Guess we can expect Brisbane to start the rebuild this year then?


We're currently in a worse spot than when North first got assistance.

Brisbane hasn’t given up anything to continue contending. You guys gave up the farm for Kelly.

How are you currently in the worse position than Norf last year?

 

[tombomb]

And this would've completely overhauled our list?

yes.

You could have turned pick 1 into about ten selections under 30 in the next few drafts, given how desperate some teams are to move up the draft each year.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Does any other global sporting organisation have a similar concept of priority picks for sustained underperformance that we do in the AFL?

You could ask this question about many things the AFL does

 

[Hungdaddy]

I'm sure this question has been posed, but why do they get a PP when they were a kick away from a premiership 5 years ago?

 

[bzparkes]

You mean Collingwood?

Yes, close enough

One thing I could almost guarantee, is that the Collingwood Football Club would not be in a position of winning only about 5 games from 50 with constant thrashing and being completely uncompetitive now for almost 3 years.

Collingwood have 4 father sons in their B22, 3 of which are AA.

I'm sure if WCE were lucky enough to get the same opportunity, they probably would look far better also.

Then there's the fact that they get to play 17-odd games at their home ground every year.

The top clubs don’t let that happen.

Top Victorian clubs get significant advantages over clubs west of the border. Little travel = extended career being one of them.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I'm sure this question has been posed, but why do they get a PP when they were a kick away from a premiership 5 years ago?

That questions definitely not been asked for one major reason

 

[bzparkes]

6 +11 + f1st from Melbourne wasn't a diabolical offer.

It was the best offer they could muster.

I would have needed more than that to agree to it, but it was a good start. I would have told Melbourne to get pick 10 off Adelaide and then it would be a deal.

Adelaide wouldn't have done it. Hell, they weren't prepared to give it up for the likely pick 1 this year.

They could have turned pick 1 in ten selections under 30 in the next few drafts if they were willing to deal and be creative.

A bunch of middling picks simply isn't worth it.

I see nobody was calling for North to do the exact same thing in the years they finished last, other than in hindsight when JHF left.

 

[Jibroni]

Have to admit he makes some reasonable points.

 

[burge13]

I hate priority picks. You made your bed with poor drafting/development/selection whatever, live with it

No one forced you to keep cooked Darling, Shuey, Gaff etc on a list taking development time from youth.

No one forced you into thinking you still had a window with those cooked players

No one forced you to sell 1st round picks for Kelly

So dumb to get PP for your own decisions. Wish the AFL would do away with this shit but while it exists you cant blame clubs asking for it despite their stupidity leading to it

 

[amazingjoshy]

Have to admit he makes some reasonable points.


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By "rivals" I think he means "Jon Ralph"

 

[bzparkes]

Have to admit he makes some reasonable points.


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No, he's a complete moron.

We're already getting thumped. Imagine how much worse we'd be without McGovern & Yeo, for starters.

Gaff and Darling aren't worth anything.

Also, they'd just go the exact opposite narrative of - "How do you give draft assistance to a team that shipped out their best players?"

 

[bzparkes]

I hate priority picks. You made your bed with poor drafting/development/selection whatever, live with it

No one forced you to keep cooked Darling, Shuey, Gaff etc on a list taking development time from youth.

No one forced you into thinking you still had a window with those cooked players

No one forced you to sell 1st round picks for Kelly

So dumb to get PP for your own decisions. Wish the AFL would do away with this s**t but while it exists you cant blame clubs asking for it despite their stupidity leading to it

Ok, so what should we have done with those 'cooked' players instead?

 

[JackOutback]

You mean Collingwood?

One thing I could almost guarantee, is that the Collingwood Football Club would not be in a position of winning only about 5 games from 50 with constant thrashing and being completely uncompetitive now for almost 3 years.

The top clubs don’t let that happen.

West Coast's problems are half self-inflicted in the same way that all clubs chase a second flag, and half unlucky. If Collingwood lost several players early to career-ending injury, plus had the injury list of the Eagles the past two years, then yes, they would be equally uncompetitive. It doesn't mean we didn't make mistakes but they were compounded.

 

[big_e]

They should get no more than what we got 1st time around.

End of 2nd rnd and end of 3rd rnd. Both have to be traded.

Important to note these were future picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

6 +11 + f1st from Melbourne wasn't a diabolical offer.

I would have needed more than that to agree to it, but it was a good start. I would have told Melbourne to get pick 10 off Adelaide and then it would be a deal.

They could have turned pick 1 in ten selections under 30 in the next few drafts if they were willing to deal and be creative.

Yes it was as it took them out of the first bracket, and pick 11 became pick 15 plus. The pick 6 needed to be higher FOR STARTERS. Their future 1 is 15 plus (as a trading club you always assume it's on the higher end). So it was a mid top 10 pick (that became pick 8- Caleb Windsor), plus some teens pick plus a pick 15 plus next year. None of those 3 picks are that good.

The only trade that would have been reasonable would have been North and ONLY if 2 or 3 were involved.

 

[tombomb]

It was the best offer they could muster.



Adelaide wouldn't have done it. Hell, they weren't prepared to give it up for the likely pick 1 this year.



A bunch of middling picks simply isn't worth it.

I see nobody was calling for North to do the exact same thing in the years they finished last, other than in hindsight when JHF left.

I don't know if you have noticed but your list is an utter catastrophe. That, and Reid being a potential flight risk, is why so many were recommending West Coast trade pick 1.

Unless you want to be as bad as North for the next 10 years, you need to do something drastic. And moving that one selection, would have created the opportunity for that.

And first round selections aren't a 'bunch of middling' picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

And first round selections aren't a 'bunch of middling' picks.

They are in a draft like last year where there were clear tiers

Reid-McKercher-Dursmaa were that far ahead, and that doesn't include the GC academy one which wasn't available. The drop after those to the next tier was significant, the drop to 11 (which was 15 plus) was even more. Last years draft was very weird but it was like that. Look at our pick, and I like the pick but clubs were taking swings at that range let alone after that.

 

[tombomb]

Yes it was as it took them out of the first bracket, and pick 11 became pick 15 plus. The pick 6 needed to be higher FOR STARTERS. Their future 1 is 15 plus (as a trading club you always assume it's on the higher end). So it was a mid top 10 pick (that became pick 8- Caleb Windsor), plus some teens pick plus a pick 15 plus next year. None of those 3 picks are that good.

The only trade that would have been reasonable would have been North and ONLY if 2 or 3 were involved.

I understand how the draft works with picks being pushed back.

They passed up a golden opportunity to overhaul this list with one trade.

 

[Elixuh]

Have to admit he makes some reasonable points.


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One important factor in the AFL exercising its discretion is at what point it’s equitable to disrupt the draft to assist a team. North received substantial assistance after not playing finals since what 2015/2016 and at a point when they looked diabolical onfield. Effectively the competition had accepted North as a basket case that required assistance.

WCE still have a little way to go before they should get assistance. As I said, end of next year at the earliest. More likely 2026.

 

[bzparkes]

I don't know if you have noticed but your list is an utter catastrophe. That, and Reid being a potential flight risk, is why so many were recommending West Coast trade pick 1.

Unless you want to be as bad as North for the next 10 years, you need to do something drastic. And moving that one selection, would have created the opportunity for that.

And first round selections aren't a 'bunch of middling' picks.

Trade pick 1 for what?

Answer that first and we can go from there.