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Western Region FL - Divy 1 2020

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AFDogs said:
That's silly. What if players move houses and want to play closer to home? What if players are hit financially and receive a better offer at another club and need to take it? What if players want to return to their junior clubs?
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The concept is to protect clubs. Players will only play for what they are worth. If they can’t move around freely then they won’t be worth as much. If there is restriction on trade and player payments going right down for a year it will help clubs get back on their feet.

You need to consider clubs won’t have the same sponsorship levels as before - businesses closing, people spending less, etc. Also game takings and memberships will likely be down too. With COVID19 likely to have such a significant impact on clubs revenue there has to be some protection for clubs.

Yes it’s drastic and unprecedented but so is Covid19, right?
 
RotationsBloke said:
The concept is to protect clubs. Players will only play for what they are worth. If they can’t move around freely then they won’t be worth as much. If there is restriction on trade and player payments going right down for a year it will help clubs get back on their feet.

You need to consider clubs won’t have the same sponsorship levels as before - businesses closing, people spending less, etc. Also game takings and memberships will likely be down too. With COVID19 likely to have such a significant impact on clubs revenue there has to be some protection for clubs.

Yes it’s drastic and unprecedented but so is Covid19, right?
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If salary caps are reduced, then a lot of clubs contracts will tip them over. Can't see how they would enforce a 2019 contract onto next year
 
table tennis said:
If salary caps are reduced, then a lot of clubs contracts will tip them over. Can't see how they would enforce a 2019 contract onto next year
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Good point TT. Personally cannot see 2020 going ahead. Hope it does as Altona has a list that would prove very hard to beat, but by 2021 who knows hopefully the older players can hang on and like all clubs players stay on for the likely much smaller salary caps.

Sponsors will be like gold in 2021 after this.



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If salary caps are reduced, then a lot of clubs contracts will tip them over. Can't see how they would enforce a 2019 contract onto next year
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All contracts will be ripped up. Lets face it nearly every club receives good money from Bars with pokies, these places are shut that is a lot of coin they are missing out on, if you didn't have you cash in prior to March you have little chance on getting this at all.

If caps are reduced players won't be able to move as other clubs will be struggling to fit in what they have let alone add new players. This might be the massive correction local footy needs as it will take a few years to get you revenue streams back up.
 
WRFL need to put a public statement with a view to the short term future & continued protective advice they are following. In fairness the competency within the senior leaders of this comp (voluntary) are highly likely in the trenches with the position they hold in business.

We actually need to be united at this time for the betterment of this competition.

Park the banter & perhaps use this forum (Div 1 sets the standard) for the entire competition.

my personal view; we wont proceed in 2020, so proactively establish the key football departments measures for next season;
1. Salary Cap
2. Club points allocation
3. Binding contracts, no player whom committed to 2021 as part of a negotistion will be released ( AFL Vic support ) unless the club agress.
4. No promotion / relegation (Should be number 1 on list probably)

Clubs get on with it.....
 
Time to relax said:
WRFL need to put a public statement with a view to the short term future & continued protective advice they are following. In fairness the competency within the senior leaders of this comp (voluntary) are highly likely in the trenches with the position they hold in business.

We actually need to be united at this time for the betterment of this competition.

Park the banter & perhaps use this forum (Div 1 sets the standard) for the entire competition.

my personal view; we wont proceed in 2020, so proactively establish the key football departments measures for next season;
1. Salary Cap
2. Club points allocation
3. Binding contracts, no player whom committed to 2021 as part of a negotistion will be released ( AFL Vic support ) unless the club agress.
4. No promotion / relegation (Should be number 1 on list probably)

Clubs get on with it.....
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I know you start by saying it's your personal view but if you want people to take this serious and set the standards for the League you might want to start with establishing measures for 2020 before 2021 whether you believe there will be football played or not this season.
 
Saw this published tonight by a Gippsland Gun...

Football has been part of me my whole life, but it’s not the game I miss.

I miss getting to training mid week when it’s wet and windy, after being inside all day.

I miss seeing my friends in an environment where they are most completely themselves.

I miss building something together with my club, in it together.

I miss waking up on game day, packing my bag hardly being able to eat.

I miss watching the reserves and talking absolute jive with the boys, coffee in hand.

I miss the hour after the game, sitting and having a beer in the rooms.

It’s never been about the game, it’s been about the people, the club and the community.

Can’t wait to see everyone.❤️

Gold Blake Carew
 
If it turns out that there's no local footy in 2020 you have to look on the bright side - your team will be undefeated and equal top of the ladder and your most hated rival is equal bottom of the ladder 😁😁....
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Great article for those who haven’t got a subscription to HS.


EXPERT OPINION
Gary Buckenara column: How to fix ‘broken’ VFL to create real junior talent pathway
The VFL isn’t fair to clubs or players, and now we have a chance to fix it. Recruiting expert Gary Buckenara outlines his vision for a new statewide competition and the return of the reserves.
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April 29, 2020 7:28am


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The issues for the VFL caused by the coronavirus pandemic should be used as the catalyst to fix a broken and discriminatory competition.
The AFL and AFL Victoria have two options: Keep the league and current pathway (if you can call it that) as it is, or use this as an opportunity to analyse how it’s been running, realise major changes need to be made, and act.
The VFL is broken for three key reasons:

1. It’s not an even playing field
2. It discriminates against certain players
3. It is not a true pathway to the AFL
We all love the Marlion Pickett and Tim Kelly stories – both out of the WAFL in Western Australia — but the fact is these stories are few and far between in Victoria because the current VFL is so limited.
The VFL isn’t a fair competition as it features a mixture of stand-alone clubs (Frankston, Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Coburg and Werribee), AFL affiliate clubs (Box Hill, Casey Demons, Northern Blues and Sandringham) and AFL clubs (Essendon, Collingwood, Geelong, North Melbourne, Richmond, Western Bulldogs).
There is no balance. AFL and AFL affiliate clubs benefit because they have access to full-time coaches and development coaches as well as AFL talent, whether they’re developing or established senior players who are returning from injury or looking to regain form.


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Marlion Pickett went from the WAFL to the VFL to the AFL Grand Final in one year.
Marlion Pickett went from the WAFL to the VFL to the AFL Grand Final in one year.
Secondly, the VFL discriminates against players who are not drafted, later developers and players from the country.
There aren’t enough spots for these players in the AFL or affiliate teams each week because AFL-listed players are playing, while stand-alone clubs such as Port Melbourne and Williamstown have established teams with senior players. So, 18 or 19-year-olds who weren’t drafted can’t get games there either. They’re forced to play at local level, which isn’t ideal for their development. Most players still want to be drafted.
If country kids aren’t drafted, they have to move to Melbourne because there’s no “pathway” competition in the country. They have to either make the decision to move away from their family despite not playing AFL football or essentially give up on their dream.
All this means the current VFL competition is not a proper pathway to the AFL.
If you’re not drafted at 18, where do you go? You sign with a VFL club, but mostly you can’t get a game because AFL-listed players and established senior players have priority.
In my roles as a recruiter at Hawthorn and then as general manager of stand-alone VFL clubs Frankston and North Ballarat, I have had many chats with young players about them being disenchanted with the pathway — they want to know the best way to stay relevant to AFL recruiters. Many have put their dream on the backburner to pursue other interests, like careers and travel.
VFL teams are currently dominated by AFL-listed players. Picture: Ian Currie
VFL teams are currently dominated by AFL-listed players. Picture: Ian Currie
I have also spoken to many parents who are disappointed and dismayed that the pathway in Victoria has suddenly disappeared for undrafted 18-year-olds.
I have even advised players to try the WAFL or SANFL, but for young hopefuls at 18, it’s a huge decision to chase their dreams interstate with no guarantees.
We’re losing and will continue to lose potential AFL players unless we fix this pathway problem. So how do we do it?
The first step is to bring back the AFL reserves competition for the 10 Victorian clubs and play the games either as curtain-raisers or at venues such as Punt Rd and Whitten Oval.
Clubs are being forced to slash costs in the football department but not all assistant and development staff will be lost.
Clubs could have access to top-up players for their reserves teams, who come out of the VFL, and would train once a week (at night) with the AFL-listed players who aren’t selected for AFL. That’s how it used to work in the days gone by.
The second step would be a return to a true VFL competition. I would love to see the current stand-alone VFL teams and clubs with AFL affiliates be joined by teams from the country and other major regions.
Essendon players, including Stephen Milne, celebrate after winning the 1999 reserves grand final.
Essendon players, including Stephen Milne, celebrate after winning the 1999 reserves grand final.
Create a 14-team competition featuring the following teams: Port Melbourne/Oakleigh, Williamstown/Western region, Werribee (including the Lara, Melton and Bacchus Marsh regions), Coburg/Northern, Box Hill/Eastern, Sandringham, Frankston (including Dandenong and Peninsula), Calder, Geelong, Warrnambool, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton (including the Murray region) and Gippsland.
This new VFL would be a professional, high-standard league that would be a clear second-tier competition that undrafted players can strive to be part of knowing they have a clear option for footy post their draft year where they will actually have the opportunity to play seniors and receive appropriate development to potentially reach the AFL.
These new clubs could also absorb the current NAB League teams and become one club with three teams – under-17s, under 19s – as I wrote in my last column the AFL should raise the draft age to 19 – and VFL seniors.
This would create a genuine pathway and enable players to stay at the same club throughout their footy journey if they go undrafted or who are still finding their feet as a late developer. It would keep the dream alive for Victorian footballers, as it is for players in Western Australia and South Australia.
I think of Rowan Marshall. He was a later developer through North Ballarat Rebels and North Ballarat Roosters in the VFL and got his chance because of that pathway. He was lucky he was at a then-TAC Cup team that had this pathway. Today, the Rowan Marshall story is lost to football because the pathway is broken for country players.
This would also be the model for women’s football once AFLW players play only in the AFLW. Currently, they play VFLW in the winter due to the short AFLW season. All VFL teams would expand and have women’s teams.
After being overlooked in his draft year, Rowan Marshall played for the North Ballarat Roosters for three years before being rookie-listed by St Kilda.
After being overlooked in his draft year, Rowan Marshall played for the North Ballarat Roosters for three years before being rookie-listed by St Kilda.
It would need to be an even playing field with a salary cap and players only able to play for the team in their region and a restriction on interstate recruiting. It also means players from the country wouldn’t need to relocate to play footy at a higher level than local leagues.
Top-age players in the Under-19s could also be selected to play with their VFL clubs and play as the 23rd player to get exposure to playing against senior bodies.
There would obviously need to be strict rules in place, but this model would provide opportunities on so many levels. There would also be massive opening to sell this new VFL to a TV network with statewide exposure and I am sure companies like NAB, which is already a huge footy partner, would seriously look at being the VFL major sponsor.
The current VFL competition is broken and the pathway is unfair, so it’s time we do something about it. While some of my suggestions might need finetuning, the model I am proposing would provide a better pathway for the talented Victorian footballers and later developers into the future.
GARY BUCKENARA’S PLAN TO OVERHAUL THE VFL AND TALENT PATHWAY
— Commit to a new statewide VFL competition
— AFL Victorian clubs have their own AFL reserves competition
— Raise the draft age to 19
— Cancel the draft in 2020
— Raise the pathway ages to under-17 and under-19 (up from 16 and 18)
— Current NAB League teams join forces with VFL teams and become one club with multiple teams, including women’s teams
— Reduce AFL list sizes to 35 with 10 top-up players
— AFL clubs who traded for 2020 draft picks are allocated those selections in 2021 d
 
Most of that story I agree with and it makes sense.

Can see why country kids playing NAB Cup but not drafted deserve a better pathway or a second opportunity than they currently have. For instance what does a 19yo from say, Echuca playing for Bendigo Pioneers do when he / she is not drafted? Logic says they could stay with the Pioneers and play senior state wide footy for them.

But country based senior teams playing in the VFL have failed before.

The AFL fund the NAB Cup teams but will they continue to fund them if they become part of a "proper, traditional club" of seniors, NAB Cup and under 17s as Buckenara proposes? I don't think AFL clubs want prospective draftees within a traditional club environment but rather the current AFL controlled environment of NAB Cup teams where staff / coaches are hand picked and they are taught the "AFL way".

But agree the VFL is broken and needs fixing, both as a competiton and for players to have a proper pathway at a decent level.
 
Turbos mail said:
Great article for those who haven’t got a subscription to HS.


EXPERT OPINION
Gary Buckenara column: How to fix ‘broken’ VFL to create real junior talent pathway
The VFL isn’t fair to clubs or players, and now we have a chance to fix it. Recruiting expert Gary Buckenara outlines his vision for a new statewide competition and the return of the reserves.
Gary Buckenara, Herald Sun
Subscriber only
|
April 29, 2020 7:28am


FOXSPORTS1:37
Gaz's passionate plea to fans
AFL: Gary Lyon launched a passionate plea for footy fans to be empathetic to players who are struggling with the concept of leaving their family,...

The issues for the VFL caused by the coronavirus pandemic should be used as the catalyst to fix a broken and discriminatory competition.
The AFL and AFL Victoria have two options: Keep the league and current pathway (if you can call it that) as it is, or use this as an opportunity to analyse how it’s been running, realise major changes need to be made, and act.
The VFL is broken for three key reasons:

1. It’s not an even playing field
2. It discriminates against certain players
3. It is not a true pathway to the AFL
We all love the Marlion Pickett and Tim Kelly stories – both out of the WAFL in Western Australia — but the fact is these stories are few and far between in Victoria because the current VFL is so limited.
The VFL isn’t a fair competition as it features a mixture of stand-alone clubs (Frankston, Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Coburg and Werribee), AFL affiliate clubs (Box Hill, Casey Demons, Northern Blues and Sandringham) and AFL clubs (Essendon, Collingwood, Geelong, North Melbourne, Richmond, Western Bulldogs).
There is no balance. AFL and AFL affiliate clubs benefit because they have access to full-time coaches and development coaches as well as AFL talent, whether they’re developing or established senior players who are returning from injury or looking to regain form.


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Marlion Pickett went from the WAFL to the VFL to the AFL Grand Final in one year.
Marlion Pickett went from the WAFL to the VFL to the AFL Grand Final in one year.
Secondly, the VFL discriminates against players who are not drafted, later developers and players from the country.
There aren’t enough spots for these players in the AFL or affiliate teams each week because AFL-listed players are playing, while stand-alone clubs such as Port Melbourne and Williamstown have established teams with senior players. So, 18 or 19-year-olds who weren’t drafted can’t get games there either. They’re forced to play at local level, which isn’t ideal for their development. Most players still want to be drafted.
If country kids aren’t drafted, they have to move to Melbourne because there’s no “pathway” competition in the country. They have to either make the decision to move away from their family despite not playing AFL football or essentially give up on their dream.
All this means the current VFL competition is not a proper pathway to the AFL.
If you’re not drafted at 18, where do you go? You sign with a VFL club, but mostly you can’t get a game because AFL-listed players and established senior players have priority.
In my roles as a recruiter at Hawthorn and then as general manager of stand-alone VFL clubs Frankston and North Ballarat, I have had many chats with young players about them being disenchanted with the pathway — they want to know the best way to stay relevant to AFL recruiters. Many have put their dream on the backburner to pursue other interests, like careers and travel.
VFL teams are currently dominated by AFL-listed players. Picture: Ian Currie
VFL teams are currently dominated by AFL-listed players. Picture: Ian Currie
I have also spoken to many parents who are disappointed and dismayed that the pathway in Victoria has suddenly disappeared for undrafted 18-year-olds.
I have even advised players to try the WAFL or SANFL, but for young hopefuls at 18, it’s a huge decision to chase their dreams interstate with no guarantees.
We’re losing and will continue to lose potential AFL players unless we fix this pathway problem. So how do we do it?
The first step is to bring back the AFL reserves competition for the 10 Victorian clubs and play the games either as curtain-raisers or at venues such as Punt Rd and Whitten Oval.
Clubs are being forced to slash costs in the football department but not all assistant and development staff will be lost.
Clubs could have access to top-up players for their reserves teams, who come out of the VFL, and would train once a week (at night) with the AFL-listed players who aren’t selected for AFL. That’s how it used to work in the days gone by.
The second step would be a return to a true VFL competition. I would love to see the current stand-alone VFL teams and clubs with AFL affiliates be joined by teams from the country and other major regions.
Essendon players, including Stephen Milne, celebrate after winning the 1999 reserves grand final.
Essendon players, including Stephen Milne, celebrate after winning the 1999 reserves grand final.
Create a 14-team competition featuring the following teams: Port Melbourne/Oakleigh, Williamstown/Western region, Werribee (including the Lara, Melton and Bacchus Marsh regions), Coburg/Northern, Box Hill/Eastern, Sandringham, Frankston (including Dandenong and Peninsula), Calder, Geelong, Warrnambool, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton (including the Murray region) and Gippsland.
This new VFL would be a professional, high-standard league that would be a clear second-tier competition that undrafted players can strive to be part of knowing they have a clear option for footy post their draft year where they will actually have the opportunity to play seniors and receive appropriate development to potentially reach the AFL.
These new clubs could also absorb the current NAB League teams and become one club with three teams – under-17s, under 19s – as I wrote in my last column the AFL should raise the draft age to 19 – and VFL seniors.
This would create a genuine pathway and enable players to stay at the same club throughout their footy journey if they go undrafted or who are still finding their feet as a late developer. It would keep the dream alive for Victorian footballers, as it is for players in Western Australia and South Australia.
I think of Rowan Marshall. He was a later developer through North Ballarat Rebels and North Ballarat Roosters in the VFL and got his chance because of that pathway. He was lucky he was at a then-TAC Cup team that had this pathway. Today, the Rowan Marshall story is lost to football because the pathway is broken for country players.
This would also be the model for women’s football once AFLW players play only in the AFLW. Currently, they play VFLW in the winter due to the short AFLW season. All VFL teams would expand and have women’s teams.
After being overlooked in his draft year, Rowan Marshall played for the North Ballarat Roosters for three years before being rookie-listed by St Kilda.
After being overlooked in his draft year, Rowan Marshall played for the North Ballarat Roosters for three years before being rookie-listed by St Kilda.
It would need to be an even playing field with a salary cap and players only able to play for the team in their region and a restriction on interstate recruiting. It also means players from the country wouldn’t need to relocate to play footy at a higher level than local leagues.
Top-age players in the Under-19s could also be selected to play with their VFL clubs and play as the 23rd player to get exposure to playing against senior bodies.
There would obviously need to be strict rules in place, but this model would provide opportunities on so many levels. There would also be massive opening to sell this new VFL to a TV network with statewide exposure and I am sure companies like NAB, which is already a huge footy partner, would seriously look at being the VFL major sponsor.
The current VFL competition is broken and the pathway is unfair, so it’s time we do something about it. While some of my suggestions might need finetuning, the model I am proposing would provide a better pathway for the talented Victorian footballers and later developers into the future.
GARY BUCKENARA’S PLAN TO OVERHAUL THE VFL AND TALENT PATHWAY
— Commit to a new statewide VFL competition
— AFL Victorian clubs have their own AFL reserves competition
— Raise the draft age to 19
— Cancel the draft in 2020
— Raise the pathway ages to under-17 and under-19 (up from 16 and 18)
— Current NAB League teams join forces with VFL teams and become one club with multiple teams, including women’s teams
— Reduce AFL list sizes to 35 with 10 top-up players
— AFL clubs who traded for 2020 draft picks are allocated those selections in 2021 d
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A very well thought out plan/idea that has a lot of merit... as always it will upset and anger many but if funded by the afl and given the chance to work I feel it is a great idea!
 
Turbos mail said:
Read this boys.

www.theage.com.au

Why the return of local footy might not be welcomed by all

Suburban footballers are waiting for a return-to-play date across Victoria, but not all clubs are keen to get back on the park.
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There are some serious issues around not only having a season this year but for the next couple of years and AFLVic have had entire competitions advise them they do not want to play this year.

From a society perspective there is genuine concern for the mental health of many young men who play football and it provides them an outlet from their mental demons. This should never be underestimated (note that includes bagging individuals in forums without knowing what they may be going through)

There are a portion of local footballers who do rely on their income from football to live or who forgo Saturday work to play football and their income from football reduces that impact.

There is now a serious economic reality. Clubs whose main sponsorships are from clubs with pokies or run functions etc are going to have a massive downturn in revenue as these venues will take years to recover from being shut down. Many local businesses that sponsor clubs will either simply not exist or will also take years to recover.

In other words any thoughts that player, coaches and ancillary payments in local footy will be anywhere near 50% of what they were in fanciful. The AFL itself will be reducing its spending severly to get through.

Clubs need to work together and support each other and the code, there will be no choice.

For players they will have to weigh up their love of the game and their local club and the mental support that provides to not only them but their friends and team mates against how much money they make from the game. It will be interesting as it already is for all football codes at a national level

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