What if history scenarios

[little graham]

What has that got to do with your assumption Nixon would start a Nuclear war?

All you guys went off like fireworks when I posted two words. Nail hammer head.

I didn't say he would cause it, I said it would be the result of him being in office instead of Kennedy. There is a difference. He would of handled the missile crisis alot different. Which in turn would of affected the Ukrainian mas murderer Khrushchev. The snowball would of been unstoppable.

History does say that Nixon inflamed central and south America. Did his best to destroy any socialists he could.

Nixon was the least warlike US president of the last 70 years.

Well, he invaded Cambodia and Laos, dropped more bombs on Cambodia than Roosevelt dropped in all of world war 2. Let that sink in for a minute.

There is support for the Khmer Rouge. You obviously haven't heard about them. He turned them from a bunch of rebels to one of the biggest non western genocidal maniacs, this planet has seen.

 

[The Speaker]

Good 'what if' scenarios deserve their own thread imo.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Nixon wins in 1960 would be a good sliding doors discussion.

Always an interesting scenario, that one.

The Cuban missile crisis needed a POTUS who was ruthless, determined, capable of making his own decisions, yet diplomatic and conciliatory at the same time. Kennedy managed to pull it off even though the Joint Chiefs unanimously recommended a full scale invasion of Cuba. He faced them down and the Russians at the same time.

I suspect Nixon would have done a lot better than his reputation suggests. I'm glad Kennedy was there though.

 

[Richard Pryor]

What effect would Abraham Lincoln not abolishing slavery have had on the American Civil War?

As I understand it, trying to gain support from Britain for the North was a factor? How effective was it in getting British support and would not having this support have had any effect on the war?

 

[Lester Burnham]

What would have been the consequences of the British Royal Navy losing the Battle of Trafalgar?

 

[Moo]

No formation of Israel is an interesting one.

Would an Israel like state have emerged anyway over time?

If it had, it would not have been as powerful and perhaps not a threat so no 6 day war, and that has big ramifications for the Arab states.

Radical Islam in the region loses a major catalyst, and perhaps the USA gives less of a shit about interfering.

This is one of those - that I am unsure if the same shit would just not of happened just with different players & names.

 

[LennyStarkiller]

If Al Gore would have won the 2000 US Presidential Election, what would have been his response to the handling of 9/11 and the events afterwards? Would they have still invaded Iraq? Would Gore have tried to bring attention and try and introduce any legislation on climate change?

 

[The Coup]

Here's one I like:

What if the Mongolians never invaded Mesopotamia, Persia etc. Genghis is still the most hated person in history in that part of the world.

What would the impact have been for European/Arab/Persian relations without the Mongolian invasion?

 

[The Coup]

If Al Gore would have won the 2000 US Presidential Election, what would have been his response to the handling of 9/11 and the events afterwards? Would they have still invaded Iraq? Would Gore have tried to bring attention and try and introduce any legislation on climate change?

Invasion for sure.

No difference at all. The last 5 US presidents have been at war with Iraq, same with our last 5 Prime Ministers.

 

[LennyStarkiller]

Invasion for sure.

No difference at all. The last 5 US presidents have been at war with Iraq, same with our last 5 Prime Ministers.

Do you think Gore would have used the WMD lie to justify the invasion like Bush did?

 

[The Coup]

Do you think Gore would have used the WMD lie to justify the invasion like Bush did?

Probably. That was all MIC driven anyway, presidents and PM's are pretty much irrelevant once those lobbyists decide to go to war.

 

[Eric Blair]

Where to start with what ifs? http://alternatehistory.com/ is as good as any.

As for recent scenarios:
Halifax becoming UK PM in 1940 instead of Churchill;
France continuing to fight in 1940;
Italy staying neutral in 1940; (massive butterflies here)
Germans taking Moscow/Leningrad in 1941;
Truman not sacking MacArthur in the Korean war;

For more distant history:
Cassius and Brutus defeat Mark Antony and Octavian at the battle of Phillippi;
Pompey defeating Caesar at Pharsalus
British winning the battle of New Orleans in 1815

 

[placebo]

Pompey defeating Caesar at Pharsalus

That's a good one. The Ancient World would have been fundamentally different if Pompey had won the Civil War. There'd be no Caesar in charge, which would mean no Assassination, which would mean no three-way Civil War which would mean no Augustus and no Roman Empire, not in the way we know it anyway. Rome's relationship with Egypt also would've been hugely different too.

 

[clogged]

Here's one I like:

What if the Mongolians never invaded Mesopotamia, Persia etc. Genghis is still the most hated person in history in that part of the world.

What would the impact have been for European/Arab/Persian relations without the Mongolian invasion?

Well, massive centres of learning and knowledge wouldn't have perished into nothing for starters.

Arguably the next half millennium of European supremacy arose because it was relatively insulated from the horrors of the Mongols.

 

[The Coup]

Indeed. I've heard it stated that our modern society is based more or less on Roman society, this is largely due to most of what the Egyptians, Babylonians and Persians (among a lot of others) knew and documented was erased by the Mongols (along with about 75% of what the Romans knew).

That could be complete horseshit, but its scary to think how much scientific (let alone philosophical, military and cultural) knowledge was lost. Sad more than anything.

And yes, its likely the Arab world, Persian world and European world would have reconciled by now (most likely the middle east would have been included in the renaissance/enlightenment period, or even MORE likely, that period takes place in say, Jerusalem instead of Florence, and it happens a LOT earlier).

 

[Gough]

What if Invers instead of poor old Graham Yallop had captained Australia against Brearley's English in 78/79. Smartest Ashes ever.

 

[Hank Scorpion]

What if Lenin had been arrested and killed following the July Days?

 

[I Lost My Keays]

What would happen if the nazi's never tried to invade Russia?

What would happen if America never used the atomic bomb on Japan?

What would happen if JFK was never assasinated?

 

[Moo]

What if we actually answered one of these questions?

 

[Gough]

What if we actually answered one of these questions?

We wouldn't have lost 5-1 under Invers and Kim Hughes would have never captained Australia.

 

[little graham]

What would happen if the nazi's never tried to invade Russia?

Italy, Nth Africa, Greek islands would of been the Third Riech. Germany never had a chance against Stalin, He had been planning to attack before Hitler made power. Russians were studying war in western Europe as a science, since the 20's. Germans were likely to be hit 1 or 2 days after they chose to go. They had no defensive barrier to hold what Russia was massing her borders with, had been for years. Probably would of took the Russians a few years to push Germans and their allies all the way back to Italy.

Buy that time the American war machine would of kicked into full gear (as it had been planned since the 30's). The americans would gone threw Persia. Would of signed a treaty with japan to launch at Russia threw China. Don't forget the trigger wasn't pulled on Japan unitl after Germany moved.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Italy, Nth Africa, Greek islands would of been the Third Riech. Germany never had a chance against Stalin, He had been planning to attack before Hitler made power. Russians were studying war in western Europe as a science, since the 20's. Germans were likely to be hit 1 or 2 days after they chose to go. They had no defensive barrier to hold what Russia was massing her borders with, had been for years. Probably would of took the Russians a few years to push Germans and their allies all the way back to Italy.

Buy that time the American war machine would of kicked into full gear (as it had been planned since the 30's). The americans would gone threw Persia. Would of signed a treaty with japan to launch at Russia threw China. Don't forget the trigger wasn't pulled on Japan unitl after Germany moved.

Yeah they didn't have a chance in the winter time. They were freezing to death as they didn't have the appropriate uniforms. The food was scarce and the supplies didn't reach them most of the time. I still believe if Hitler waited a few months he would of conquered the Russians.

 

[Redalert]

Yeah they didn't have a chance in the winter time. They were freezing to death as they didn't have the appropriate uniforms. The food was scarce and the supplies didn't reach them most of the time. I still believe if Hitler waited a few months he would of conquered the Russians.

He was originally bogged down through the Greco-Italian War of 1940, Hitler said himself that he would've attacked the Soviets a few weeks earlier if it wasn't for Mussolini's incompetence in that campaign. I think delaying the invasion would've still been a risky strategy, the Germans needed the resources (particularly oil) available in the Caucasus and the Soviets were gradually re-arming themselves following the Stalinist purges of the 1930s.

 

[little graham]

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What would happen if America never used the atomic bomb on Japan?

Lots of important info on the effects of a bomb would not of been garnered. That's all, if the americans never found another excuse to use it.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

He was originally bogged down through the Greco-Italian War of 1940, Hitler said himself that he would've attacked the Soviets a few weeks earlier if it wasn't for Mussolini's incompetence in that campaign. I think delaying the invasion would've still been a risky strategy, the Germans needed the resources (particularly oil) available in the Caucasus and the Soviets were gradually re-arming themselves following the Stalinist purges of the 1930s.

It would've been a tough task to defeat the russians that's for sure. German army was stronger and once the Germans defeated the Russians they would take over the world.....