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Irrespective of that, there is no doubt Charles would have still succeeded to the throne of England in 1997.
I doubt it will be much of a problem.
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There wouldn't have been anyway.
A Market Opinion and Research International Poll published in December 1997 in London's Times newspaper found that Charles' popularity actually rose after Diana's death on August 31st 1997.
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The whole thing is a tragedy, but titanic now claiming a few more multi millionaires after most of them escaped in the original tragedy, leaving the lower classes with slim chances.
Seems quite ironic
Seems quite ironic
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He was seen as alone among the adult royals as giving a toss about the tragedy.
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FDR dies on 12 April 1944, instead?
What changes:
Later in the real 1944, Wallace toured the USSR. He was taken to GULAG camps in Siberia, which were "sanitized" for his visits (he was told all the inmates were volunteers) and came away saying the camps were "a combination TVA and Hudson's Bay Company".
President Wallace is not going to make that tour. So perhaps he will not be as deluded about the USSR as he was in real life.
This will help him to get the nomination for President. As a sitting President, with Roosevelt's implied endorsement, I don't think he could be stopped. In the real 1944 he was the favorite among rank-and-file delegates for the 1944 VP nomination; it was only by Roosevelt's forceful behind-the-scenes intervention that Truman was nominated instead. Roosevelt acted under pressure from several important party leaders.
They in turn were moved in part by Wallace's apparent excessive fondness for the USSR. If that is removed, he's surely going to win the nomination.
But can he win in November? I don't think so. He's not Roosevelt, and he's got a huge vulnerability - his "Dear Guru" letters to the expatriate Russian mystic Nicholas Roerich. The Republicans had the letters. In 1940, they were deterred from using them by Democrat threats to reveal Wendell Willkie's adulterous affair with Irita Van Doren. But in 1944, the Democrats have no such counter.
So it's quite likely that Dewey is elected and becomes President in January 1945. Dewey at the alternate Yalta and Potsdam?
What changes:
Later in the real 1944, Wallace toured the USSR. He was taken to GULAG camps in Siberia, which were "sanitized" for his visits (he was told all the inmates were volunteers) and came away saying the camps were "a combination TVA and Hudson's Bay Company".
President Wallace is not going to make that tour. So perhaps he will not be as deluded about the USSR as he was in real life.
This will help him to get the nomination for President. As a sitting President, with Roosevelt's implied endorsement, I don't think he could be stopped. In the real 1944 he was the favorite among rank-and-file delegates for the 1944 VP nomination; it was only by Roosevelt's forceful behind-the-scenes intervention that Truman was nominated instead. Roosevelt acted under pressure from several important party leaders.
They in turn were moved in part by Wallace's apparent excessive fondness for the USSR. If that is removed, he's surely going to win the nomination.
But can he win in November? I don't think so. He's not Roosevelt, and he's got a huge vulnerability - his "Dear Guru" letters to the expatriate Russian mystic Nicholas Roerich. The Republicans had the letters. In 1940, they were deterred from using them by Democrat threats to reveal Wendell Willkie's adulterous affair with Irita Van Doren. But in 1944, the Democrats have no such counter.
So it's quite likely that Dewey is elected and becomes President in January 1945. Dewey at the alternate Yalta and Potsdam?
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I 've known a speaking dinosaur, its called a pink and grey galah!!!
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Im sure there is a technical reason, but I downloaded the cook picture to iphone and it was filed under 1770
Billions of years ago, a Mars sized body collided with Earth and the resultant debris formed our moon. If that body hit the Earth minutes either side, it would have collided differently and more or less debris would have affected the moon's size, rotational speed and distance from Earth...
The moon currently spins once on its axis in the exact time it revolves around the Earth, meaning the same part always faces the planet. The craters form a rough image of a face, and since the dawn of time humans have observed this and formed ancient legends...the Viking explained eclipses as the wolf Fenrir devouring the sun or moon, and the image of the moon has had fairly common representation as a human, my favourite being the early From The Earth To The Moon 130 years ago showing an annoyed moon with a bullet spaceship jammed in its face...!
If the impact was different, the most likely outcome is the moon would have had rotations which wouldn't have been identical, meaning you would see a globe rotating on its axis over time. Right here would be a crossroads in human history. Humans wouldn't have seen a disc, they would have seen a 3D ball, and notions of stars being holes in a giant upturned bowl or Fenrir or a flat earth would have been dispelled, not just in the Greek times but possibly with the first caveman who held an apple on a dark night next to a fire , saw a half lit ball in his hand as well as one in the night sky, and then put two and two together...
Every single society on earth would have reached the same conclusion, that bodies in the sky are globes, solid objects, and smaller lights aren't necessarily smaller, they are probably just further away. Every single religion would have been written differently, and world exploration would have gone in completely different directions with societies knowing they would end up back home and not falling off the edge...
This is the single biggest what if humans have ever experienced...!
The moon currently spins once on its axis in the exact time it revolves around the Earth, meaning the same part always faces the planet. The craters form a rough image of a face, and since the dawn of time humans have observed this and formed ancient legends...the Viking explained eclipses as the wolf Fenrir devouring the sun or moon, and the image of the moon has had fairly common representation as a human, my favourite being the early From The Earth To The Moon 130 years ago showing an annoyed moon with a bullet spaceship jammed in its face...!
If the impact was different, the most likely outcome is the moon would have had rotations which wouldn't have been identical, meaning you would see a globe rotating on its axis over time. Right here would be a crossroads in human history. Humans wouldn't have seen a disc, they would have seen a 3D ball, and notions of stars being holes in a giant upturned bowl or Fenrir or a flat earth would have been dispelled, not just in the Greek times but possibly with the first caveman who held an apple on a dark night next to a fire , saw a half lit ball in his hand as well as one in the night sky, and then put two and two together...
Every single society on earth would have reached the same conclusion, that bodies in the sky are globes, solid objects, and smaller lights aren't necessarily smaller, they are probably just further away. Every single religion would have been written differently, and world exploration would have gone in completely different directions with societies knowing they would end up back home and not falling off the edge...
This is the single biggest what if humans have ever experienced...!
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Cavemen ate fruit. They lit fires at night and dismembered the remaining parts of the gazelle they killed and turned them into weapons, jumpers, bait and musical instruments (ever wondered where the term catgut violin strings came from? There's a distant origins story)...
Not much else to do around a campfire than play around with what you see, especially when you haven't invented language yet. A caveman holds an orange up to that light and it looks like a crescent. Beats the hell out of me why no one seems to have worked this out according to actual history (great stories about Greeks hearing about where a shadow falls a thousand k's north), but drawing comparisons between a lit globe in your hand and then the lit globe in the sky would be easier if the moon was rotating...
Not much else to do around a campfire than play around with what you see, especially when you haven't invented language yet. A caveman holds an orange up to that light and it looks like a crescent. Beats the hell out of me why no one seems to have worked this out according to actual history (great stories about Greeks hearing about where a shadow falls a thousand k's north), but drawing comparisons between a lit globe in your hand and then the lit globe in the sky would be easier if the moon was rotating...
If that one instant you describe had happened, and changed many things, is why I believe hopefully there is much to much distance for anything from other worlds moons whatever, to reach here?
Simply because your comment is true one split of a split of a second of a billion years old instance, makes everything either like we are now, or the different scenario, you described, makes earth very different
Suggests to me that those who want to see aliens , perhaps should hope they never do.
Those who believe in the UFO game, should perhaps hope nothing ever does reach here, if we are way way off in a quiet part of the now universe are we safer?
Because what may come here will be nothing what so ever, like us.
To me that's a little frightening. It could be a microscopic life form that kills us all off, it could be harmless.
It will never be anything like we are.
Because the odds of the collision between an earth and a "mars" like object somewhere else, colliding, at exactly the same time and exactly the same manner, are impossible.
I hope we are alone, or whatever maybe, is very very far away? Too far away to get here.
This is one of my favourite absolutely pointless but fascinating time wasting topics...!
4 billion years of life struggling to grow on this rock, and all it would take is one reaction in the sun to produce a super sized solar flare that hits the Earth and that's it, the planet is sterilised in minutes like a needle and a lighter...
Aliens...forget ET, it would be WOTW or ID4. Every time a superior force has "come in peace and for trade" to a place they could beat, it has never ended well for the locals. Even the most magnanimous incursions have eventually ripped off the visited. Why are we sending out probes with plaques? Public sentiment is saying "hello", science is saying "let's see what's out there", but the leadership paying the bills is saying "let's see what's in it for us"...so if we get visited, I'd guarantee they are looking for what they can take. As you say, microscopic life forms...the Spaniards brought chicken pox and wiped out thousands...
And that disparity in viewpoint could be as wide as the difference between the total lack of emotion we have eating a steak and the point of view of the bovine we killed to get it! Imagine visitors so apart from us that they consider us as complicated as an ant colony, something we play with as kids or spray or run over nonchalantly with a mower as adults, and would just do as they want...round up humans, kill them off, chop them up and put them in alien sardine cans, or other fairly brutal processing methods because humans make a great fertiliser for some alien pensioner's garden. If I need to kill nutgrass, I use Sempra, an expensive but supremely effective weed killer that leaves everything around it...so forget WOTW and expensive weaponry, if you've been studying humans through observation and anal probes for long enough, you'd quickly figure out what "sempras" a human and just spray from orbit...again, I do this in the morning and I've totally forgotten about my act of mass genocide by brunch...! What if covid was a half-arsed alien chore to weed the garden...?
Some say "yeah, but aliens might be different"...thing is, aliens are life, and life follows a few fundamental rules everywhere, unless it truly is not "life as we know it" (and if it's that, there's not much hope for common ground!). All organisms in our life definition consume each other, and the ones on top of our food chains are predators...you have to go a long way down the list to find a plant muncher! Predators combine, strategize, practice stealth...and then later they build tools, write symphonies, and build spaceships to find other things to exploit. If ET arrives, sure, there'll be a Joseph Banks digging up weeds, the one Elliott ran into, but I'll bet his mates that rescued him at the end of the movie were military men and that ship was armed to the teeth...!
