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What if the AFL ignores the WADA decision

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Jedi Anderson said:
What happens?

Not saying it will happen - just interested....
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Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.
 
telsa1962 said:
Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.
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The political fall out alone makes it unlikely. But interested in the actual legal consequence
 
telsa1962 said:
Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.
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Reckon that's a bit harsh Telsa. ASADA are not to blame for the length of time this has taken. If your blokes had records of what was injected into your players, they wouldn't have had to undertake an extensive investigation. If your blokes AND HIRD didn't take it to court and then appeal we would be further down the track.
 
  1. West Australia will lose any funding for their new stadium. They will ultimately secede.
  2. Any other projects/stadiums will lose all funding (Geelong future plans, training facilities, etc.)
  3. Government will apply pressure to restrict access to government assets - again stadiums
  4. It will be a PR disaster. Melbourne footy press will still get their articles ticked off by head office as usual. The rest of Australia will have a field day.
  5. The new nation of Western Australia will notice the cracks appearing between states and will cross the border.
  6. Ultimately it will end in civil war and Ben Cousins will be pronounced the new king of a unified Australia.
 

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jenny61_99 said:
Reckon that's a bit harsh Telsa. ASADA are not to blame for the length of time this has taken. If your blokes had records of what was injected into your players, they wouldn't have had to undertake an extensive investigation. If your blokes AND HIRD didn't take it to court and then appeal we would be further down the track.
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Have heard all the arguments here and it's pretty clear.

Read the view of WADA on the cronulla decision - they specify a set of unexplained and unnecessary delays due to ASADA and the Aust. Govt. Most of these apply to the EFC case and I believe there were further delays after the cronulla sanctions.

The first court case was hardly frivolous given the many internal emails at ASADA that questioned the legality of the joint investigation and it was their legal right to appeal, as it is WADAs now. Hird's appeal may have been frivolous but he sought assurances that it wouldn't delay the process.

Finally, I strongly disagree with this idea floated around here about lack of EFC records meaning it was their fault that the thing took so long. The unexplained and unnecessary delays that WADA slammed ASADA for suggest not. Three and half years is clearly becoming a case of justice delayed is justice denied. Particularly given the full and immediate cooperation of the club and all the players back in 2013.
 
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The groundwork has been laid to draw a sympathetic ear to the players already, the next step is to set WADA against all AFL players so that the final decision is easier to make out as unfair. Gillion in a press conference saying: "Enough is enough", talking about Saad and the evil WADA.

Then the AFL can be the heroes and decide to bravely step away from ASADA, bring it's own performance enhancing drug monitors into play and publicly be seen to be doing good for all it's players but in reality it is just protecting it's brand by keeping it's most marketable players off suspensions. Never again will the integrity of the AFL balance sheet be compromised by bans.
 
telsa1962 said:
Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.
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Re delay - I think Essendon and the AFL erred by having the press conference. It takes time for any investigation to be completed. The issue was that it was out in the open (well obviously not all of it!)
 
Tayl0r said:
The groundwork has been laid to draw a sympathetic ear to the players already, the next step is to set WADA against all AFL players so that the final decision is easier to make out as unfair. Gillion in a press conference saying: "Enough is enough", talking about Saad and the evil WADA.

Then the AFL can be the heroes and decide to bravely step away from ASADA, bring it's own performance enhancing drug monitors into play and publicly be seen to be doing good for all it's players but in reality it is just protecting it's brand by keeping it's most marketable players off suspensions. Never again will the integrity of the AFL balance sheet be compromised by bans.
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Well this is what I am a little worried about it hence my technical question (the PR side of it all is another discussion entirely BUT clearly important context).
 
Jedi Anderson said:
The political fall out alone makes it unlikely. But interested in the actual legal consequence
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Loss all government financial support at all levels. But the PR damage would be massive and would enable other sports to openly state that the AFL is covering up systemic drug use by all clubs and is a game full of cheats and liars. This would mean that they go on the nose in growth states and all the hard work done in recent years is out the window and would force one of the Queensland clubs to the wall.
 
Jedi Anderson said:
Well this is what I am a little worried about it hence my technical question (the PR side of it all is another discussion entirely BUT clearly important context).
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The NFL did it in the US, just earlier this year a guy was banned for 4 games for using steroids, WADA would have kicked him for 2-4 years.
 
Remember that the government assistance doesn't look like a lot next to the broadcasting deal money, if 1/18th of the product will be heavily reduced for two years then the broadcasters won't pay as much.

For an idea, 1/18th of the $1.6 billion of the last deal is $89,000,000. The next deal will be even bigger.
 
QuietB said:
  1. West Australia will lose any funding for their new stadium. They will ultimately secede.
  2. Any other projects/stadiums will lose all funding (Geelong future plans, training facilities, etc.)
  3. Government will apply pressure to restrict access to government assets - again stadiums
  4. It will be a PR disaster. Melbourne footy press will still get their articles ticked off by head office as usual. The rest of Australia will have a field day.
  5. The new nation of Western Australia will notice the cracks appearing between states and will cross the border.
  6. Ultimately it will end in civil war and Ben Cousins will be pronounced the new king of a unified Australia.
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Ok - whilst there aren't many serious answers here I am enjoying myself. He he
 
QuietB said:
  1. West Australia will lose any funding for their new stadium. They will ultimately secede.
  2. Any other projects/stadiums will lose all funding (Geelong future plans, training facilities, etc.)
  3. Government will apply pressure to restrict access to government assets - again stadiums
  4. It will be a PR disaster. Melbourne footy press will still get their articles ticked off by head office as usual. The rest of Australia will have a field day.
  5. The new nation of Western Australia will notice the cracks appearing between states and will cross the border.
  6. Ultimately it will end in civil war and Ben Cousins will be pronounced the new king of a unified Australia.
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Will the rest of Australia have a "field day" due to the lack of stadiums?
 
QuietB said:
  1. West Australia will lose any funding for their new stadium. They will ultimately secede.
  2. Any other projects/stadiums will lose all funding (Geelong future plans, training facilities, etc.)
  3. Government will apply pressure to restrict access to government assets - again stadiums
  4. It will be a PR disaster. Melbourne footy press will still get their articles ticked off by head office as usual. The rest of Australia will have a field day.
  5. The new nation of Western Australia will notice the cracks appearing between states and will cross the border.
  6. Ultimately it will end in civil war and Ben Cousins will be pronounced the new king of a unified Australia.
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You had me until 6. :(

Mind you, how does Pav sound for King of Australia? President for Life? Kim Jong Pav? It's got a nice ring to it!
 

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What if the AFL ignores the WADA decision

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