What if the AFL ignores the WADA decision

[QuietB]

The interesting thing here is that the AFL would win in terms of public support if they took on government.

You do not **** with peoples national pastime.

Neither the liberal or the labour party would like to be the party that upsets the AFL because the message would go from the AFL to the clubs to throw their support behind certain parties and we all know there is enough tribalism in footy that the lower echelon of thinking fans would vote for whoever their footy club told them to.

No they wouldn't. Soccer mums who have no interest in footy anyway would have a complete field day and AFL would be a laughing stock. Imagine Carl and his panel of feminists on the Today Show bleating out the same crap day after day after day.

Sure the died in the wool rusted on supporter might love the AFL sticking it up the authorities. But how does the AFL treat that supporter on grand final day? And that will tell you where the AFL places that supporter in their pecking order.

 

[manicmagpie]

 

[telsor]

Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.

This.

The nearest it would be come is that they cop the CAS ruling over the EFC case and after that make moves to distance themselves & limit the powers of outside agencies (ASADA/WADA/CAS).

 

[Proper Gander]

This.

The nearest it would be come is that they cop the CAS ruling over the EFC case and after that make moves to distance themselves & limit the powers of outside agencies (ASADA/WADA/CAS).

I like your stability of Avatar. And Lance, Chameleon, Laphroig etc. Helps me no end in an otherwise bewildering world.

DonsRule however doesn't know whether he is Ings or McDreamy. And Chief is all over the shop these days. It's like keeping pace with an unstable timelord.

 

[threesixpio]

I like your stability of Avatar. And Lance, Chameleon, Laphroig etc. Helps me no end in an otherwise bewildering world.

DonsRule however doesn't know whether he is Ings or McDreamy. And Chief is all over the shop these days. It's like keeping pace with an unstable timelord.

Posters should be more like Romana. (She was hot too - the second one...) As a timelord she bordered on dull though

 

[hoianbulldog]

What happens?

Not saying it will happen - just interested....

By wada i asume you mean CAS.

I'm not sure what would happen but I know what I'd want to happen. I'd want my team on the gear the next morning knowing full well that every other team will be on it.

Image the damage if they did ignore the decision. Coates would go ape shit.

 

[Laphroaig]

The interesting thing here is that the AFL would win in terms of public support if they took on government.

You do not **** with peoples national pastime.

Neither the liberal or the labour party would like to be the party that upsets the AFL because the message would go from the AFL to the clubs to throw their support behind certain parties and we all know there is enough tribalism in footy that the lower echelon of thinking fans would vote for whoever their footy club told them to.

You seem to be unaware of just how much of a s**tstain the other 90% of people in AFL states view EFC as. Even people not terribly interested in football recognise Essendon as being synonymous with dishonesty.

As for the non AFL states, especially NSW which is THE seat of political power in this country.......

 

[Vindicater]

You seem to be unaware of just how much of a s**tstain the other 90% of people in AFL states view EFC as. Even people not terribly interested in football recognise Essendon as being synonymous with dishonesty.

As for the non AFL states, especially NSW which is THE seat of political power in this country.......

I am not defending Essendon in this thread.

I am stating if the AFL decide to cut WADA out, the government will be loathe to do anything about it because the AFL controls a large section of their voter base.

The political power sits in Sydney yet far more of the population live in AFL states than they do in Non-AFL states.

The AFL as an entity could be a big political animal if it chose to be.

As an aside, I don't think the AFL would move away from WADA over the Essendon fiasco.
If Essendon are found to be guilty and given a suspension I think the AFL will accept it and move to damage control.

Part of that damage control I beleive would be letting a period of time pass to let everything settle before they quietly and out of the eyes of the general public (who have lost interest) remove themselves from affiliation with WADA.

 

[Proper Gander]

I am stating if the AFL decide to cut WADA out, the government will be loathe to do anything about it because the AFL controls a large section of their voter base.

Controls? Do you think so? I pay mfc member fees, pay to go to finals matches, watch the games on telly and even listen to some of the AFLs classier drivel.

They don't tell me how to vote, and wouldn't succeed if they tried. How exactly do they control a voter base? I mean how would that work? Do I get an SMS from my club saying "Paul Roos speaking. Hi. Everyone vote green this year?" And I go yeah, that's fine. Okay.????

 

[Laphroaig]

I am not defending Essendon in this thread.

I am stating if the AFL decide to cut WADA out, the government will be loathe to do anything about it because the AFL controls a large section of their voter base.

The political power sits in Sydney yet far more of the population live in AFL states than they do in Non-AFL states.

The AFL as an entity could be a big political animal if it chose to be.

As an aside, I don't think the AFL would move away from WADA over the Essendon fiasco.
If Essendon are found to be guilty and given a suspension I think the AFL will accept it and move to damage control.

Part of that damage control I beleive would be letting a period of time pass to let everything settle before they quietly and out of the eyes of the general public (who have lost interest) remove themselves from affiliation with WADA.

You're dreaming. And factually incorrect as well. NSW and Queensland alone hold 59% of Australia'a population. And the good voters of both states will by and large stand by and cheer if the AFL gets done over.

The AFL has power and influence, true. But it's a level of power and influence vastly overestimated by people in Victoria in particular. In a fistfight the AOC alone is more than a match for the AFL.

Roll in all of the other internationally contested sports as well and AFL house gets squashed like a bug. Just like they did ten years ago.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

The interesting thing here is that the AFL would win in terms of public support if they took on government.

You do not **** with peoples national pastime.

Neither the liberal or the labour party would like to be the party that upsets the AFL because the message would go from the AFL to the clubs to throw their support behind certain parties and we all know there is enough tribalism in footy that the lower echelon of thinking fans would vote for whoever their footy club told them to.

except that any government could frame it as protecting australian football over the AFL. they could go hand of fist at the AFL if it tried to take on the governement.

think of the young footy players put at risk due to the AFL's greed.
we've all seen whats happened with the US sports, drug cheating, wife bashing, think of the children. hysteria.
then the polies redirect funds other sports namely soccer, which our governments see as a holy grail of relevance look at me syndrome.

and the victorian government may actual find the stones to bring in the pokie reform that victoria desperately needs, outright destroying clubs which have over invested.

now would that occur? or would the AFL be seen as the shining beacon of hope against the evil government?
I honestly don't know, what i do know is there's a very real chance of politicians in the south using it to bring in reforms and back away from funding the AFL, while other sports try and push in for the freed up funds.

The question is, given the downside that is government and public backlash, why would you not follow through with WADAS decision?
If WADA finds essendon guilty the image of the AFL is going to take a big enough hit as it is.

this is the head lines your look at: AFL IGNORES CAS, AFL PROTECTS DRUGS CHEATS, AFL ERODING THE SOUL OF AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL.

caros articles will be front page news. why would you risk it?

 

[Muggs]

The interesting thing here is that the AFL would win in terms of public support if they took on government.

You do not **** with peoples national pastime.

Neither the liberal or the labour party would like to be the party that upsets the AFL because the message would go from the AFL to the clubs to throw their support behind certain parties and we all know there is enough tribalism in footy that the lower echelon of thinking fans would vote for whoever their footy club told them to.

maybe in Victoria,
QLD and NSW with over half the seats likely back the government to put it up the Vics and get stuck into the afl.
WA and SA would see it as The AFL looking after the vic clubs, EFC .and support the goverment.
TAS would see it as the AFL backing down over EFC and not booting them out to give the tassies a team and support the Govt.

Giving the govt a boost in the polls, but as archeroflife said vote either based on the way they always do or hip pocket.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

If they get really nasty with the government, suddenly they'll have the AFP investigating them for all sorts of shit.

I could see the current government letting the AFL walkaway from WADA. They still look to make political mileage out of Labor allegedly over-egging the Darkest Day in Sports press conference as a political distraction. They have a pronounced disdain for multi-national bodies that try to impose behavioural/value standards on Australia. They're pretty politically expedient in general. (note, I'm not saying that the current mob are alone in being crap in this kind of way, both major parties are awful at the moment.)

Then the question becomes, what does WADA and the IOC do to Australian sport if the government let's its largest national competition rage-quit WADA?

 

[threesixpio]

By wada i asume you mean CAS.

I'm not sure what would happen but I know what I'd want to happen. I'd want my team on the gear the next morning knowing full well that every other team will be on it.

Image the damage if they did ignore the decision. Coates would go ape shit.

Yep - sorry CAS. WADA Nidiot

 

[pugthemagician]

They can't ignore the CAS as signing the code they accept the CAS as the final umpire. If you ignore it them there are national consequences

23.6 Additional Consequences of a Signatory’s Non-compliance with the CodeNon-compliance with the Code by any Signatory may result in consequences in addition to ineligibility to bid for events as set forth in Articles 20.1.8 (international Olympic Committee), 20.3.11 (international Federations) and 20.6.6 (Major event organizations), for example: forfeiture of offices and positions within Wada; Ineligibility or non-admission of any candidature to hold any International event in a country; cancellation of International events; symbolic consequences and other consequences pursuant to the Olympic Charter.The imposition of such consequences may be appealed to CaS by the affected Signatory pursuant to Article 13.6.

 

[jim boy]

The government signed up to the WADA treaty and ratified enshrining it Australian Law. If The AFL step away from WADA, then the government are legally required to cease any funding of the AFL, which would include stadiums, or they could abandon WADA, which requires legislation and a major backlash from communities such as the athletics community.

The NFL gets away with it in the US because they don't receive any government funding anyway.

 

[Blueballs38]

Not happening. It will look too much like not accepting the umpires decision. Even with 12 months notice and the skills of the AFL PR machine they are not going to pull that one off. IMHO I think we are all going to get a fair hearing at CAS anyway. The AFL privately must be pretty pissed off with the time the process is taking (and ASADA are to blame for most of that) and they may use that as a trigger for future reform.

No they are not.

EFC "not documenting" cough cough the systematic drug regime meant a paper trail needed to be found ... Then all the investigation while fighting dumbo ears turd in the courts trying to get off on a technicality was where the delays were.

When will EFC supporters start to man up instead of trying to weasel out of everything with half truths and downright lies.

 

[tesla1962]

No they are not.

EFC "not documenting" cough cough the systematic drug regime meant a paper trail needed to be found ... Then all the investigation while fighting dumbo ears turd in the courts trying to get off on a technicality was where the delays were.

When will EFC supporters start to man up instead of trying to weasel out of everything with half truths and downright lies.

Read the wada release about the cronulla sanctions you twerp

 

[kaiserchief13]

I would give up on the sport and I'm sure many others would too.

Soccer would become number 1 sport in the country pretty quickly

 

[clogged]

Nothing will happen.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I disagree with your assessment on how people vote. The voters that aren't rusted on to a particular party tend to vote via the hip pocket. An issue like this would barely rate amongst voting intentions.

A lot of people have no love for either party and if the AFL put candidates up that spouted something vague but friendly you could see some seats gained (like the greens type level),maybe even a seat in the senate. I would probably vote for them (as part of my long standing policy of voting out the incumbent so they don't get the pension largesse, and to try and marginalise my seat so that some of the kickbacks can start to come)

 

[Boston tiger]

I disagree with your assessment on how people vote. The voters that aren't rusted on to a particular party tend to vote via the hip pocket. An issue like this would barely rate amongst voting intentions.

If they made it look like the Government of the day was hurting your club. Soccer at the MCG on Saturdays etc. Only 4 clubs in Melbourne survive under this government. Aussie rules is dying and it's because of this government etc
Remember football is a religion.

Plus politicians are footy fans. AFL is untouchable

 

[Deliverance]

Can we just get the actual appeal done before we start considered what ifs?

Pretty much every comment on this board has been hypotheticals and guesswork. Why stop now?

 

[CountryRace]

By wada i asume you mean CAS.

I'm not sure what would happen but I know what I'd want to happen. I'd want my team on the gear the next morning knowing full well that every other team will be on it.

Image the damage if they did ignore the decision. Coates would go ape shit.

Australian cyborg League

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I am not defending Essendon in this thread.

I am stating if the AFL decide to cut WADA out, the government will be loathe to do anything about it because the AFL controls a large section of their voter base.

The political power sits in Sydney yet far more of the population live in AFL states than they do in Non-AFL states.

The AFL as an entity could be a big political animal if it chose to be.

As an aside, I don't think the AFL would move away from WADA over the Essendon fiasco.
If Essendon are found to be guilty and given a suspension I think the AFL will accept it and move to damage control.

Part of that damage control I beleive would be letting a period of time pass to let everything settle before they quietly and out of the eyes of the general public (who have lost interest) remove themselves from affiliation with WADA.

The State Government via the MCC Trust control the MCG....might be worth thinking about if one was going to f**k with Governments