It's a fair assessment to be honest. He's had a history of playing mature age spuds over guys with talent developing within the club.
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What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4
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It's a fair assessment to be honest. He's had a history of playing mature age spuds over guys with talent developing within the club.
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Who was the young talent missing out?
Most of the talented young guys that were up to it played in their first year or so. Naughts, Baz etc.
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His dad hasn’t been at the club for some years.
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It’s more that he played a few certain mature age spuds a lot of games that had no business being anywhere near our best 22 over guys that may been able to develop.
The 3 making their debuts don’t fall into this category. All have AFL level ability and have actually played at that level.
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This. Unfortunately the media is trying to push that Macrae is being left out for Bramble because Bevo likes his recruits, ignoring the fact that they don't play the same position and Bramble playing is almost a certain sign Dale is still hurt. Coffield and Harmes were recruited as best 23 players. The end of season cull last year was the first step to addressing the list cloggers who may have been getting a few too many games.
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Generally Bevo has been consistent over his WB career with the motto "if they're ready I'll play them, even if they're young". He deserves credit for that much. So I'm not sure younger draftees were missing out if they had the talent.
That hasn't been the issue. It has been the low ceiling players (aka "list cloggers") who have stayed on the list too long, thereby depriving us of the opportunity to keep cycling younger state league players with potential through the list. Those low ceiling players we kept may well have been as good as any other fit player we had on our list for the job that was needed on any given match day. So giving them a number of game wasn't the real problem.
But if we'd been offloading some of these players a little earlier who knows, we might have found the next JJ, MBoyd, Morris, Dickson or Picken instead.
That hasn't been the issue. It has been the low ceiling players (aka "list cloggers") who have stayed on the list too long, thereby depriving us of the opportunity to keep cycling younger state league players with potential through the list. Those low ceiling players we kept may well have been as good as any other fit player we had on our list for the job that was needed on any given match day. So giving them a number of game wasn't the real problem.
But if we'd been offloading some of these players a little earlier who knows, we might have found the next JJ, MBoyd, Morris, Dickson or Picken instead.
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Such a strange piece by Landsberger.
Coach selects what he deems to be his best line up. Players that aren’t selected aren’t overly happy missing out.
Welcome to every f***ing professional and amateur sporting club in the world Sammy
I’d expect this from Barrett or Corn Hole trying to create an issue where there none, but Landsberger? His cred cops a hit with that rubbish.
Coach selects what he deems to be his best line up. Players that aren’t selected aren’t overly happy missing out.
Welcome to every f***ing professional and amateur sporting club in the world Sammy
I’d expect this from Barrett or Corn Hole trying to create an issue where there none, but Landsberger? His cred cops a hit with that rubbish.
Is this change in Landsberger’s reporting anything to do with landing a pay TV gig and the need to produce headline items every program?Such a strange piece by Landsberger.
Coach selects what he deems to be his best line up. Players that aren’t selected aren’t overly happy missing out.
Welcome to every f***ing professional and amateur sporting club in the world Sammy
I’d expect this from Barrett or Corn Hole trying to create an issue where there none, but Landsberger? His cred cops a hit with that rubbish.
“This is a theme Kingsley picked up from Richmond's triple-premiership coach Damien Hardwick during his four years as an assistant at Punt Road. Never make the same mistake twice.”
Sometimes it feels like Bev’s theme is that Principal Skinner meme, “Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong.”
Sometimes it feels like Bev’s theme is that Principal Skinner meme, “Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong.”
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That makes perfect sense. Such trash.
Dredging up potential selection issues from 2-3 years ago, throwing it in a bucket with non existent selection issues from this year and trying to serve the slop up as some insightful piece of sporting journalism. I’m embarrassed for him.
Can almost guarantee it’s severed any sort of journo/coach relationship he’s had with Bevo.
West, Lipinski, Young, Garcia
Roughead and Wallis hard done by years before that.
The likes of Gowers, Gardner, McComb, Trengrove and Hayes were all selected before the above.
West is playing now and is the better for it, Lipinski is just an average footballer, Young couldn't get a game over a fat McGovern and Garcia has never been fit
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You're better than this, surely?
West and Lipinski were clearly mismanaged to some extent, but it's inevitable that it's going to happen. Roughead and Wallis was so long ago not to be relevant. Gowers last played in 2020, and only got 3 games in that season anyway, so hardly relevant to mismanagement of players like Garcia that you're claiming.
Young will likely be delsited by Carlton and was blamed for some of their losses. Garcia was given a good run at it in 2021, after he was finally fit enough after an early fit enough career ... and has proven in two years since not to really be up to it since, with fully fit middling performances at AFL and VFL level. Should we try to not actually win games?
Gardner was given games that exceeded performance but it's because we knew that he had the athletic tools to eventually become good ... which he did, by becoming 7th in our 2022 B&F (which people seem to forget). He's already an overall more prodcutive career output than Young. Which we shoudl have dropped Gardner for?
Trengove long ago. Hayes' form actually justified selection, he was good for a half season or so.
You can pick better players surely!
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You’re reaching with those players.
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Its a trade-off DW. In the years we have made the grand final we have played ~40 players on our list. Remember how well Roarke Smith played for us in the 2021 finals series? Replacing him a few years earlier with a kid with more potential might have been better in the long term but it might have hurt us that year.
If you want to go deep in finals after the attrition of a full season, you need to bat deep in your list with mature bodies. Otherwise you need a lot of luck with injury.
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Yes I agree with that but I didn't consider Roarke a list clogger.
I doubt McComb or Hayes or Gowers was going to do what Roarke did in the 2021 finals.
I also point to the fact that we have some unlikely premiership players in Hamling and Biggs who we picked up cheaply as mature age players not getting games at other clubs. There can be a place for some such players.
The earlier discussion was whether Bevo was playing his favourites above young kids who should have been getting a game. Clearly he would play the kids if he thought they were ready (both physically and mentally), as he did with Dunkley, Bont, Bailey Smith, Daniel, Weightman, Naughton, Richards, etc all of whom had impact in their first year and generally stayed in the side once picked. But Bevo didn't do that with the likes of Busslinger, Clarke, Arty, JUH etc so I think his judgement with younger players has mostly held up well. (You could argue the point over Sam Darcy and Lewis Young perhaps.)
The point I was making was that some of Bevo's mature age favourites were kept too long. The three I've mentioned above all tried hard but it was clear pretty early on they all had a modest ceiling, even allowing for Gowers' first season when he leading goalkicker with 26 goals.
You might add Gardner to that list, especially in light of the fact that he is contracted right through to 2026 (!) but at some stage this year he'll no doubt be needed.
FWIW I'd have been happy if we'd kept Roarke for another season ... but maybe he was just too physically broken down to be persevered with.
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Roarke was just too broken down to stay on as depth. He'd come back from a lay off and end up going off at half time due to injury in his return game.
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Is Roarke playing somewhere this year.?
I think I missed it.
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Need Jong & Hannan to make the gifted too games 5 pack.
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Do not agree on Jong, was good in 2016, very unlucky to be injured
Hannan was such a strange one and up there with Gardy for the most confusing contract extensions. I know they're on minimum chips but you can't tell me they wouldn't also agree to minimum chips for a shorter deal (no-one else was picking them up).
Hannan's extension for the 2024 season was announced on 21st June 2022, having been out of the team since Round 3 (31st March 2022). He wasn't even playing VFL due to (I believe) ongoing concussion symptoms, and upon return he was trialled in the backline. I understand the human element, but what was the rush to extend him having missed 3 months of football and with a plan to try him in a position he'd never played before?
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James Harmes could prove to be an inspired piece of recruiting by the Western Bulldogs.
That is according to Brenton Sanderson who is a big fan of the club’s decision to bring in the 28-year-old premiership player from Melbourne in the off-season.
Sanderson believes the former Demon could fill some of the gaping hole left by Josh Dunkley as a defensive minded on-baller for the talented Bulldogs.
“One player who I thought is a great recruit, really underrated, is James Harmes,” Sanderson said on SEN’s Whateley.
“Defence in the midfield is an aspect of the Dogs’ structure that has really let them down over the last few years.
“They’re very much a ‘see ball, get ball’ type of midfield. There are some great players in there and when the game is on their terms they look sensational, but since Josh Dunkley left that has left a bit of a hole.
“They lack that lock-away, defensive orientated mid. I think Harmes will provide that and I think he’ll be an important player for them in that midfield this year.”
After 152 games for the Dees, Harmes will debut for the Dogs against his old club this weekend.
He’ll run out alongside emerging star Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and key forward Aaron Naughton who are the pivotal players in attack for the Doggies.
With those two playing central roles, Sanderson sees the Bulldogs’ forward line as one that has potential to be the most damaging in the league.
“It could be anything,” Sanderson said, referring to the forward line.
“Ugle-Hagan and Naughton could be one of the most dynamic forward line combinations of this year.
“They’re a little bit different to Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow at Carlton. They’re a bit more springy and a bit more agile at ground level.
“They’re going to provide some serious headaches for the opposition and how to match up on those two if they both get in red-hot form at the right time.
“I look at Jamarra and he had nine games in 2023 where he kicked multiple goals, he was brilliant. But that was offset by seven games where he didn’t hit the scoreboard at all.
“So if he gets the balance between his best and worst games as small as possible, I think he’s set for a really big year.
“He’s going to become critical to the Dogs’ success in 2024.”
Ugle-Hagan (35 goals) and Naughton (44 goals) booted 79 majors between them as the Dogs missed finals in 2023.
They get their 2024 season underway against the Dees from 1pm AEDT at the MCG this Sunday.
James Harmes could prove to be an inspired piece of recruiting by the Western Bulldogs.
That is according to Brenton Sanderson who is a big fan of the club’s decision to bring in the 28-year-old premiership player from Melbourne in the off-season.
Sanderson believes the former Demon could fill some of the gaping hole left by Josh Dunkley as a defensive minded on-baller for the talented Bulldogs.
“One player who I thought is a great recruit, really underrated, is James Harmes,” Sanderson said on SEN’s Whateley.
“Defence in the midfield is an aspect of the Dogs’ structure that has really let them down over the last few years.
“They’re very much a ‘see ball, get ball’ type of midfield. There are some great players in there and when the game is on their terms they look sensational, but since Josh Dunkley left that has left a bit of a hole.
“They lack that lock-away, defensive orientated mid. I think Harmes will provide that and I think he’ll be an important player for them in that midfield this year.”
After 152 games for the Dees, Harmes will debut for the Dogs against his old club this weekend.
He’ll run out alongside emerging star Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and key forward Aaron Naughton who are the pivotal players in attack for the Doggies.
With those two playing central roles, Sanderson sees the Bulldogs’ forward line as one that has potential to be the most damaging in the league.
“It could be anything,” Sanderson said, referring to the forward line.
“Ugle-Hagan and Naughton could be one of the most dynamic forward line combinations of this year.
“They’re a little bit different to Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow at Carlton. They’re a bit more springy and a bit more agile at ground level.
“They’re going to provide some serious headaches for the opposition and how to match up on those two if they both get in red-hot form at the right time.
“I look at Jamarra and he had nine games in 2023 where he kicked multiple goals, he was brilliant. But that was offset by seven games where he didn’t hit the scoreboard at all.
“So if he gets the balance between his best and worst games as small as possible, I think he’s set for a really big year.
“He’s going to become critical to the Dogs’ success in 2024.”
Ugle-Hagan (35 goals) and Naughton (44 goals) booted 79 majors between them as the Dogs missed finals in 2023.
They get their 2024 season underway against the Dees from 1pm AEDT at the MCG this Sunday.
Article on the AFL website
WESTERN Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge says it's too early to tell whether Jack Macrae will be called on to face Gold Coast after the experienced midfielder was left out of the Western Bulldogs' opening loss to Melbourne.
Three-time All-Australian Macrae was omitted from Sunday's 45-point defeat at the MCG after an interrupted pre-season, despite playing two VFL practice matches.
Fellow senior Bulldog Caleb Daniel was named substitute.
"With Jacko, he had a stress-related, through his femur, concern over the pre-season - he worked really hard over his off-season," Beveridge said.
"And then he had that hamstring that he went down with and he missed quite a bit of training and running and his capacity to cover the ground needs to be there.
"I felt like their (Melbourne's) midfield were able to do that better than us today.
"So we'll just wait until Jack's totally ready to perform at his absolute best with the ground cover. So he's not far away."
When asked if Macrae, who has dropped down the midfield pecking order in recent years, could feature in Ballarat against the Suns next Sunday, Beveridge said: "Too early - we'll work through that during the week."
Daniel was overlooked for a starting role behind recruits James Harmes, Nick Coffield and debutant Harvey Gallagher.
The 27-year-old replaced Ryley Sanders late in the third quarter and had 12 disposals - more than eight other Bulldogs.
Beveridge said Daniel typically played his "roles and reponsibilities ... pretty well", but he had been omitted in light of the strong pre-seasons of several teammates, although many of those will have been "frustrated" with their performances on Sunday.
When asked whether Daniel could start against the Suns, Beveridge said: "Too early. We'll process that during the week."
No.6 draft pick Sanders had been a revelation during the week and had collected 15 touches before being hooked.
"He's fine. At that point in time he was one of a handful that could have come off for experience and stability in the team," Beveridge said.
"Ryley's going really well. He's going to be a tremendous player for the club and he's still learning. But he was the one."
"We'll look after him and make sure he heads into next week with a positive mindset."
Sanders' substitution came after consecutive turnovers, but Beveridge insisted that was purely a coincidence.
WESTERN Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge says it's too early to tell whether Jack Macrae will be called on to face Gold Coast after the experienced midfielder was left out of the Western Bulldogs' opening loss to Melbourne.
Three-time All-Australian Macrae was omitted from Sunday's 45-point defeat at the MCG after an interrupted pre-season, despite playing two VFL practice matches.
Fellow senior Bulldog Caleb Daniel was named substitute.
"With Jacko, he had a stress-related, through his femur, concern over the pre-season - he worked really hard over his off-season," Beveridge said.
"And then he had that hamstring that he went down with and he missed quite a bit of training and running and his capacity to cover the ground needs to be there.
"I felt like their (Melbourne's) midfield were able to do that better than us today.
"So we'll just wait until Jack's totally ready to perform at his absolute best with the ground cover. So he's not far away."
When asked if Macrae, who has dropped down the midfield pecking order in recent years, could feature in Ballarat against the Suns next Sunday, Beveridge said: "Too early - we'll work through that during the week."
Daniel was overlooked for a starting role behind recruits James Harmes, Nick Coffield and debutant Harvey Gallagher.
The 27-year-old replaced Ryley Sanders late in the third quarter and had 12 disposals - more than eight other Bulldogs.
Beveridge said Daniel typically played his "roles and reponsibilities ... pretty well", but he had been omitted in light of the strong pre-seasons of several teammates, although many of those will have been "frustrated" with their performances on Sunday.
When asked whether Daniel could start against the Suns, Beveridge said: "Too early. We'll process that during the week."
No.6 draft pick Sanders had been a revelation during the week and had collected 15 touches before being hooked.
"He's fine. At that point in time he was one of a handful that could have come off for experience and stability in the team," Beveridge said.
"Ryley's going really well. He's going to be a tremendous player for the club and he's still learning. But he was the one."
"We'll look after him and make sure he heads into next week with a positive mindset."
Sanders' substitution came after consecutive turnovers, but Beveridge insisted that was purely a coincidence.
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