What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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Captain’s day votes are interesting from our perspective. Out of 17 possible votes:

  • 10 have tipped Bont to win his third first Brownlow
  • 6 have tipped us to make finals, but 0 make GF or be premiers
  • 3 picked Sanders as rising star, behind Reid (6) & Wardlaw (5)

Most interesting, 1 picked us as McClelland trophy winner, which is combined AFL/AFLW senior teams. Considering the AFLW side are tipped to struggle again, this can only mean we are going undefeated and I won’t hear otherwise.
 
Hobdog said:
Bit concerning to hear that people in the club have known for some time that some things weren’t working, yet it took so long to address it.


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Unfortunately, Grant was asleep at the wheel for many years.
People kept on blaming Bevo. It's now clearer that the Footy Department was overly leaning on him due to a lack of appropriate resourcing (didn't realize that Bevo was a senior manager before his professional full-time coaching career).
Looks like Bevo is rapt that a lot of non-Head Coach stuff is now off his plate.
 
Planet Dogs said:
Unfortunately, Grant was asleep at the wheel for many years.
People kept on blaming Bevo. It's now clearer that the Footy Department was overly leaning on him due to a lack of appropriate resourcing (didn't realize that Bevo was a senior manager before his professional full-time coaching career).
Looks like Bevo is rapt that a lot of non-Head Coach stuff is now off his plate.
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Early Bevo had strong figures like Graham Lowe, Dalrymple and McCartney at the club.

Once they left we promoted from within or recruited individuals from other clubs who were gunning for their own promotion and had somewhat subsidiary roles to Beveridge.

It's hard to interpret whether that was a deliberate ploy to allow Beveridge to be a more powerful person in the room, or simply whether we didn't have the resources to have more skilled, experienced department staff to replace those who left.
 

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Planet Dogs said:
Unfortunately, Grant was asleep at the wheel for many years.
People kept on blaming Bevo. It's now clearer that the Footy Department was overly leaning on him due to a lack of appropriate resourcing (didn't realize that Bevo was a senior manager before his professional full-time coaching career).
Looks like Bevo is rapt that a lot of non-Head Coach stuff is now off his plate.
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2023 was the only year we didn’t have Graham Lowe or Chris Maple in a role similar to the one Egan now holds. But the rumours of issues with Bev expanding his own influence and overreaching into decision making that isn’t usually in the coach’s remit started long before then. I think some of the way Bev describes it now is face saving after having his influence walked back a bit, and that’s fine.
 
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AFL Media journalist Josh Gabelich remains confident that Jamarra Ugle-Hagan will re-sign at the Western Bulldogs, though they may need to get creative with their remaining salary cap space.

It was reported on Wednesday night by 7AFL’sMitch Cleary that Hawthorn is chasing the former number one draft pick.
Ugle-Hagan is out of contract at the end of the season, with many expecting the key forward to have a breakout year in 2024 and command quite the pay rise.

“I found it interesting. Hawthorn has been really aggressive in this space,” Gabelich told SEN’s Sportsday.

“They’ve looked at a number of different options in recent years – Todd Marshall being one of them, even Hayden McLean was someone they went after last year in a tier below Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

“The Western Bulldogs have been confident this summer that Jamarra will sign. They were hopeful he would do that before Round 1, time will tell, but I feel the Aaron Naughton situation has just squeezed the salary cap.

“They’re going to have to find a little bit more wriggle room in that cap.

“All indications out of Whitten Oval are that Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is very happy, very settled, coming off a career-best year to launch into this year.

“I would be surprised if he leaves. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t re-sign in the first-half of the season, but who knows, they’ve got a lot on their plate with Tim English and Bailey Smith as well.”
Kane Cornes agrees, suggesting Hawthorn would have to offer Ugle-Hagan significantly more than the Bulldogs to lure him 45 minutes down the road.

“It’s a great story. I wasn’t expecting it. I thought it would be Sydney, if he was to go anywhere,” Cornes said.

“Would the difference in dollars need to be? You pay half in tax on everything, so if it was an extra $200,000, you pay an extra $100,000 in tax for the hassle of moving away from a very good team to a rebuilding team, is it worth it? But if it’s $600,000 difference and we’re talking $800,000 to $1.4 million, which is not unrealistic, is that the sort of difference in salary that would have to convince him?

“I’d be surprised if he left as well. It would need to be that $600,000 difference in contract for him to seriously think about it.”

Ugle-Hagan booted four goals and took seven marks against the Hawks in his side’s dominant 57-point victory in the Community Series last weekend.

The Western Bulldogs take on Melbourne next weekend at the MCG to kick off their 2024 campaign.
 
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manutd/dogs said:
Fantastic article on Bont's chance of being the AFL GOAT:

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Interesting article, but a "scrappy, Western suburbs footy club"?

We were once, but not for a while now.

Someone needs to point out to the author that we were one of a handful of clubs who didn't need to go cap-in-hand to the AFL for financial assistance during Covid.

Come and have a look at our ground/training facilities.

I'm sure the head of Disney Australasia would have a chuckle at the thought of leading such a "scrappy" mob!

Please, everyone with a public pen, let go of the old stereotypical attitudes!
 
stefoid said:
slamming the the footy show for being crap is like smashing your crotch with a cricket bat and complaining that your balls hurt :p
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Happy to take your word for it.
 

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MaxiBont said:
I think we’re getting underrated this year. I don’t mind it at all but I feel like we’ve made a lot of improvement to our roster plus lots of internal development.

I don’t know why I’m so optimistic about this season after last year but it feels different for some reason.
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We will crush everything and everyone that’s gets in our way!
 
Hobdog said:
Bit concerning to hear that people in the club have known for some time that some things weren’t working, yet it took so long to address it.


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Not really that’s pretty typical of most organisations and why you have independent reviews
 
TiAn_ said:
2023 was the only year we didn’t have Graham Lowe or Chris Maple in a role similar to the one Egan now holds. But the rumours of issues with Bev expanding his own influence and overreaching into decision making that isn’t usually in the coach’s remit started long before then. I think some of the way Bev describes it now is face saving after having his influence walked back a bit, and that’s fine.
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That’s nonsense
He was loud and consistent during the Covid time that the under resourcing was having an effect on everyone involved.
It’s unbelievable that the same media that criticised him for having too much power last year were criticising him for complaining during Covid about not having enough resources.
He did not ask or seek the additional duties but like any responsible club person he took them on when there was no one else capable.
It’s not as you say face saving just a simple reflection on what happened and recognition that regardless of the how the what was not the ideal outcome.
It’s the media that is engaging in face saving by trying to put the blame on him knowing full well he was the first to flag it as an issue
 
Bulldogs Legend said:
He did not ask or seek the additional duties but like any responsible club person he took them on when there was no one else capable.
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We had a pretty capable recruiter and that didn’t stop Bev trying to do his job too, long before Covid ever hit. He’s done some incredible things as our coach but it doesn’t mean you have to be his butler in fairyland.
 
Bulldogs Legend said:
That’s nonsense
He was loud and consistent during the Covid time that the under resourcing was having an effect on everyone involved.
It’s unbelievable that the same media that criticised him for having too much power last year were criticising him for complaining during Covid about not having enough resources.
He did not ask or seek the additional duties but like any responsible club person he took them on when there was no one else capable.
It’s not as you say face saving just a simple reflection on what happened and recognition that regardless of the how the what was not the ideal outcome.
It’s the media that is engaging in face saving by trying to put the blame on him knowing full well he was the first to flag it as an issue
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I don't disagree with this at all but it doesn't address the post that you quoted. Before COVID, it's pretty well known/rumoured around this board that Bevo had run-ins with Dalrymple and McCartney as our recruiting manager and list manager, Beveridge apparently didn't want to concede all his power to those two in future planning, and we lost those two for this reason. McCartney in particular has done an excellent job overseeing the long-term planning of GWS to get them to where they are now and continues to be highly regarded in the AFL industry, promoted from list manager to GM of Football for GWS (Egan's role). It's a shame that we lost McCartney and there's no reason to think that we couldn't have eventually promoted him into the role that he's at GWS now and Egan has now, had he had a better relationship with Beveridge.

In a similar manner Dalrymple was apparently very unhappy at Beveridge overrulling the work they had done in analysing the draft pool for our rookie pick in the 2017 draft, promoting Billy Gowers from our VFL team. This shows you the difficult nature of the relationship and managing the division of responsibilities among highly capable footy staff at the time - Beveridge was not entirely wrong pushing for Gowers, who proved to be our 2018 leading goalkicker, and insisting on selecting Gowers was the right call as we got better-than-expected value out of him. On the other hand, you can't be overruling what should have been clear division of responsibilities, and Dalrymple and the team may have been confident that they would have drafted someone like Brody Mihocek or Liam Baker, players that went later in the rookie draft and presumably we were looking at.
 
threenewpadlocks said:
I don't disagree with this at all but it doesn't address the post that you quoted. Before COVID, it's pretty well known/rumoured around this board that Bevo had run-ins with Dalrymple and McCartney as our recruiting manager and list manager, Beveridge apparently didn't want to concede all his power to those two in future planning, and we lost those two for this reason. McCartney in particular has done an excellent job overseeing the long-term planning of GWS to get them to where they are now and continues to be highly regarded in the AFL industry, promoted from list manager to GM of Football for GWS (Egan's role). It's a shame that we lost McCartney and there's no reason to think that we couldn't have eventually promoted him into the role that he's at GWS now and Egan has now, had he had a better relationship with Beveridge.

In a similar manner Dalrymple was apparently very unhappy at Beveridge overrulling the work they had done in analysing the draft pool for our rookie pick in the 2017 draft, promoting Billy Gowers from our VFL team. This shows you the difficult nature of the relationship and managing the division of responsibilities among highly capable footy staff at the time - Beveridge was not entirely wrong pushing for Gowers, who proved to be our 2018 leading goalkicker, and insisting on selecting Gowers was the right call as we got better-than-expected value out of him. On the other hand, you can't be overruling what should have been clear division of responsibilities, and Dalrymple and the team may have been confident that they would have drafted someone like Brody Mihocek or Liam Baker, players that went later in the rookie draft and presumably we were looking at.
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On the other side of the coin, Sam Power is a far better list manager than McCartney. Him being a general football manager now is probably his calling. Unfortunately he wasn’t in that role at the Bulldogs.
Regarding Dalrymple, I hope it was more than just Gowers. If the main example of having total control over recruiting is overruling on one rookie pick, then I’d say a collaborative team culture is more to blame.
 
dergert said:
Excited for the nonces on footy classified to talk about Jamarra tonight..
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Run of the mill stuff, showing the massive headlines about Hawks wanting to partner him with Mitch 'Dunstall/Ablett/Modra' Lewis to create the big man tandem of dreams. Zero mention of the article the day after that said Dogs ahead of everyone else by a country mile to secure bis signature.

Kaneo than almost had the perfect segment discussing if they had to let someone go who could they afford to let go out of English/Marra/Baz. Brought up the fact outside of Gawn in 2021 and Cox in 2006 no premiership team has had a ruckman who took up $1m of salary cap, so Dogs could let him go and reinvest elsewhere. Lost me when he said they could go get Marc Pittonet though.
 

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