What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

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[Gavin Excell]

Nah.

Just enough educated and reasonable people sitting at the true middle of society who place a high value on honesty, decency and fairness but who are not yet politically active - finally being motivated to take action in the ballot boxes.

The teal vote in the last Federal election shows it isn't a pipe dream. The means to engage and activate their concern about where society is heading is the key.

Climate 200 has shown the blueprint for how it can be done.

Ironically its the former safe Labor electorates in what were once traditional working class electorates which pose the greatest threat to change. Their flip from Labor to far right ideology shaped by anger and resentment about being left behind by globalisation and the mass loss of manufacturing jobs. That resentment aided and abetted by the faux outrage of the Murdoch media.

The working class move to right ideology is quite an interesting development that is happening elsewhere as we know.
It's why prosecuting the culture wars is such an important part of the LnP platform. I don't think even the most resentful would think the Coalition would deliver higher wages, so therefore what lures them in is attacks on immigrants and the indigenous

 

[Festerz]

The working class move to right ideology is quite an interesting development that is happening elsewhere as we know.
It's why prosecuting the culture wars is such an important part of the LnP platform. I don't think even the most resentful would think the Coalition would deliver higher wages, so therefore what lures them in is attacks on immigrants and the indigenous

Yep. IMO three 'R' words best explains the rise of identity politics and support for the populist right across the globe:

'Resentment'
'Revenge'
'Retribution'

The great tragedy for them is thinking that punching down on the basis of ethnicity, skin colour or beliefs will lead to the 'restoration' of their former, mostly imagined, 'rightful' economic position in society.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Yep. IMO three 'R' words best explains the rise of identity politics and support for the populist right across the globe:

'Resentment'
'Revenge'
'Retribution'

The great tragedy for them is thinking that punching down on the basis of ethnicity, skin colour or beliefs will lead to the 'restoration' of their former, mostly imagined, economic position in society.

And to flip it, the great achievement of modern conservatives is convincing this group that they are their saviours

 

[Festerz]

And to flip it, the great achievement of modern conservatives is convincing this group that they are their saviours

That's the irony.

But history is littered with lying, cheating, bullying, and narcissist frauds who were able to convince the masses that they were only interested in the best interests of the working class. The outcome is always the same and its always those at the bottom who are left to suffer the long term consequences.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep. IMO three 'R' words best explains the rise of identity politics and support for the populist right across the globe:

'Resentment'
'Revenge'
'Retribution'

The great tragedy for them is thinking that punching down on the basis of ethnicity, skin colour or beliefs will lead to the 'restoration' of their former, mostly imagined, 'rightful' economic position in society.

In a way, they have a great sense of history.

Unfortunately, it’s a completely erroneous take on their history.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What would a Dutton prime ministership mean for the country?

Endless debt and crippling, completely unnecessary costs from politicising the scientific fact of climate change and its dire consequences to the nation.

The $80 billion question buried in Dutton’s nuclear power plan

The public could be left with a big clean-up bill after the opposition’s proposed nuclear reactors reach the end of their life.

www.smh.com.au

 

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What would a Dutton prime ministership mean for the country?

Endless debt and crippling, completely unnecessary costs from politicising the scientific fact of climate change and its dire consequences to the nation.

The $80 billion question buried in Dutton’s nuclear power plan

The public could be left with a big clean-up bill after the opposition’s proposed nuclear reactors reach the end of their life.

www.smh.com.au

All the LNP want to do is transfer tax payers money to their mates….
Decreasing services means more money to their mates.

 

[kalex6251]

What would a Dutton prime ministership mean for the country?

Endless debt and crippling, completely unnecessary costs from politicising the scientific fact of climate change and its dire consequences to the nation.

The $80 billion question buried in Dutton’s nuclear power plan

The public could be left with a big clean-up bill after the opposition’s proposed nuclear reactors reach the end of their life.

www.smh.com.au

add to that an endless prosecution of culture topics obsessed over by his lickspittle mates in the msm

black mirror take - he hijacks anzac day and starts implementing individual purity tests on how patriotic we are

 

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[peetoo]

Unsurprisingly, Dutton wants to talk about Howard costello years not the Abbott Turnbull morrison years when he was a major part of that govt.
Especially as Abbott is now openly stating his govt was a fail

Election 2025: Albanese and Dutton steeling for ‘future war’ — The Australian

The PM has declared the next election a ‘future war’ between Labor and the Coalition, as the Opposition Leader vows a return to Howard and Costello-era economics while calling for a rejection of identity politics in classrooms.

apple.news

 

[MPMonkeys]

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Suburban pub lol, so all the illinformed nuffies who only really care about Sport and cars. Ask them anything political they pretend they know what there talking about but have no clue at all. They mostly watch Sky News as well. If they have decided Albo is terrible that shows how disengaged from it all they are.

You need to get out more.
And no, they don't mostly watch Sky News. I doubt most would know what channel it is on.

 

[Vindicater]

You need to get out more.
And no, they don't mostly watch Sky News. I doubt most would know what channel it is on.

I like how you are the expert on all things suburban pub.

 

[Festerz]

And to flip it, the great achievement of modern conservatives is convincing this group that they are their saviours

Excellent article on that very issue in the New York Times today harping back to 1994 US midterm elections where the Clinton Democrats suffered a huge electoral backlash. Clinton’s very liberal labor secretary, Robert Reich, issued a prophetic warning about how it happened and what might be coming.

Struggling workers were becoming “an anxious class,” he warned. Society was separating into two tiers, Mr. Reich said, with “a few winners and a larger group of Americans left behind, whose anger and whose disillusionment is easily manipulated.”

“Today, the targets of that rage are immigrants and welfare mothers and government officials and gays and an ill-defined counterculture,” Mr. Reich cautioned. “But as the middle class continues to erode, who will be the targets tomorrow?”

His message went largely unheeded for 30 years, as one president after another, Republican and Democratic, led administrations into a post-Cold War global future that enriched the nation as a whole and some on the coasts to staggering levels, but left many pockets of the American heartland deindustrialized, dislocated and even depopulated.

Its a warning that applies to changes in Australia too. As does the manipulation of that resentment by divisive politicians.

The great irony of course is that so many of the working class feel such resentment and dis-connection at a time when the measured unemployment rate has been at historically low levels for sustained periods - but the national/state economic figures rate can mask the deep resentment and fear lurking within individual suburbs and regions. And the sense that some 'other' groups are thriving at their expense.

Which is why the conservative right is focussed on the intangibles of culture wars, attacks on climate change thinking, immigrants, the indigenous and 'wokeness'. It was central to the political agenda of Trump and is central to the political agenda of Dutton.

How the Democrats Lost the Working Class

The theory seemed sound: Stabilize financial markets, support the poor and promote a more secure, integrated world. But blue-collar workers were left behind.

www.nytimes.com

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Excellent article on that very issue in the New York Times today harping back to 1994 US midterm elections where the Clinton Democrats suffered a huge electoral backlash. Clinton’s very liberal labor secretary, Robert Reich, issued a prophetic warning about how it happened and what might be coming.

Struggling workers were becoming “an anxious class,” he warned. Society was separating into two tiers, Mr. Reich said, with “a few winners and a larger group of Americans left behind, whose anger and whose disillusionment is easily manipulated.”

“Today, the targets of that rage are immigrants and welfare mothers and government officials and gays and an ill-defined counterculture,” Mr. Reich cautioned. “But as the middle class continues to erode, who will be the targets tomorrow?”

His message went largely unheeded for 30 years, as one president after another, Republican and Democratic, led administrations into a post-Cold War global future that enriched the nation as a whole and some on the coasts to staggering levels, but left many pockets of the American heartland deindustrialized, dislocated and even depopulated.

Its a warning that applies to changes in Australia too. As does the manipulation of that resentment by divisive politicians.

The great irony of course is that so many of the working class feel such resentment and dis-connection at a time when the measured unemployment rate has been at historically low levels for sustained periods - but the national/state economic figures rate can mask the deep resentment and fear lurking within individual suburbs and regions. And the sense that some 'other' groups are thriving at their expense.

Which is why the conservative right is focussed on the intangibles of culture wars, attacks on climate change thinking, immigrants, the indigenous and 'wokeness'. It was central to the political agenda of Trump and is central to the political agenda of Dutton.

How the Democrats Lost the Working Class

The theory seemed sound: Stabilize financial markets, support the poor and promote a more secure, integrated world. But blue-collar workers were left behind.

www.nytimes.com

Robert Reich sees through the political crap.

 

[peetoo]

Can’t work out if conservatives spend more time renouncing culture wars or actually revving them up

Doing the usual Australia Day finger pointing before Christmas even arrived this year was a new low

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Mate I've lived in different parts of Melbourne so I've been out an about and I know exactly what the outer East for example think in regards to the Labor Party so any excuse to not vote for them they will. As illinformed and as uneducated as you can get. All they care about is getting pissed on weekends, Sport and Cars. Cut and paste the South East. I'll reiterate what I said, if they think Dutton is the better choice we are in real strife as a nation.

You need to get out more.
And no, they don't mostly watch Sky News. I doubt most would know what channel it is on

 

[Festerz]

Robert Reich sees through the political crap.

Yep.

As others have commented, US voters place a lot of emphasis on the height of their Presidents as opposed to their depth of character so there is a deep irony in the fact someone only 4'11" stands head and shoulders above most of them in seeing the reality of things.

 

[peetoo]

Mate I've lived in different parts of Melbourne so I've been out an about and I know exactly what the outer East for example think in regards to the Labor Party so any excuse to not vote for them they will. As illinformed and as uneducated as you can get. All they care about is getting pissed on weekends, Sport and Cars. Cut and paste the South East. I'll reiterate what I said, if they think Dutton is the better choice we are in real strife as a nation.

Have they got over tolls on east link yet?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Nah.

Just enough educated and reasonable people sitting at the true middle of society who place a high value on honesty, decency and fairness but who are not yet politically active - finally being motivated to take action in the ballot boxes.

The teal vote in the last Federal election shows it isn't a pipe dream. The means to engage and activate their concern about where society is heading is the key.

Climate 200 has shown the blueprint for how it can be done.

Ironically its the former safe Labor electorates in what were once traditional working class electorates which pose the greatest threat to change. Their flip from Labor to far right ideology shaped by anger and resentment about being left behind by globalisation and the mass loss of manufacturing jobs. That resentment aided and abetted by the faux outrage of the Murdoch media.

Right, so what's the Climate 200 plan for making housing affordable, stabilising the cost of living and boosting wage growth? These are the actual issues society faces.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep.

As others have commented, US voters place a lot of emphasis on the height of their Presidents as opposed to their depth of character so there is a deep irony in the fact someone only 4'11" stands head and shoulders above most of them in seeing the reality of things.

Except bloody Milton Friedman at a whopping 5’0”!

Milton Friedman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Lunchtime]

Except bloody Milton Friedman at a whopping 5’0”!

Milton Friedman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Could of been a wicket-keeper lol

 

[Festerz]

Right, so what's the Climate 200 plan for making housing affordable, stabilising the cost of living and boosting wage growth? These are the actual issues society faces.

Given this is the Dutton thread, and the Coalition has been in power for 9¾ of the last 12 years, what was or is the coalition plan to address these three issues which are 'the actual issues facing society'?

And why did they not take action to address them instead of exacerbating them with poor policy decisions?

None of this lazy what about stuff.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Given this is the Dutton thread, and the Coalition has been in power for 9¾ of the last 12 years, what was or is the coalition plan to address these three issues which are 'the actual issues facing society'?

Let me preface this by saying I don't support the Coalition and I think they have no interest in actually solving any of them. Dutton's plan seems to be cutting immigration and hoping it addresses all ills.

And why did they not take action to address them instead of exacerbating them with poor policy decisions?

None of this lazy what about stuff.

As above, they don't care about solving them. They care about keeping rich people rich.

I'd like to hear what gives people confidence that the Teals have more of an interest in solving the problems than the Liberals do.

 

[Festerz]

I'd like to hear what gives people confidence that the Teals have more of an interest in solving the problems than the Liberals do.

Climate 200 sees global climate change as THE biggest issue facing the long term future of Australia - the data backs that statement up.

They care about keeping rich people rich.

Australia's richest person is Gina Rinehart - by a large huge margin. A large proportion of her wealth is built on the mining, sale and use of fossil fuels.

Santos, BHP, Woodside Petroleum are amongst our largest companies by market capitalisation. They, and other huge energy companies including Origin, AGL and Rio Tinto are amongst Australia's highest greenhouse gas emitters whose stocks are held widely in the stock portfolios of our largest public and private superannuation and investment management companies.

The simplistic tabloid suggestion that the agenda of Climate200, aimed at reducing Australia's reliance on carbon energy sources and reduce emissions is all about 'keeping rich people rich' is demonstrably wrong.

Ironically the main goal of Climate 200, which is a not for profyt organisation, is to ensure a science based debate on issues to ensure such biased and ignorant claims are proven to have zero basis in fact.

Perhaps you should take the time to visit their website and mount a facts based debate on their claims and objectives.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Climate 200 sees global climate change as THE biggest issue facing the long term future of Australia - the data backs that statement up.

I wasn't talking about climate change. The three topics I raised were housing affordability, the cost of living and wage growth. Can you address those?

Australia's richest person is Gina Rinehart - by a large huge margin. A large proportion of her wealth is built on the mining, sale and use of fossil fuels.

Santos, BHP, Woodside Petroleum are amongst our largest companies by market capitalisation. They, and other huge energy companies including Origin, AGL and Rio Tinto are amongst Australia's highest greenhouse gas emitters whose stocks are held widely in the stock portfolios of our largest public and private superannuation and investment management companies.

The simplistic tabloid suggestion that the agenda of Climate200, aimed at reducing Australia's reliance on carbon energy sources and reduce emissions is all about 'keeping rich people rich' is demonstrably wrong.

Ironically the main goal of Climate 200, which is a not for profyt organisation, is to ensure a science based debate on issues to ensure such biased and ignorant claims are proven to have zero basis in fact.

Perhaps you should take the time to visit their website and mount a facts based debate on their claims and objectives.

You have misinterpreted my comment, which was about the Liberal Party, not Climate 200. What I was asking for is evidence to give people confidence that Climate 200 candidates are different to the Liberals on keeping rich people rich. But I'll take this section of your comment as an answer to that question instead.

Again, this is viewing absolutely everything through the lens of climate change. There are other aspects to economics in governance than that. What is the stance of Climate 200 candidates on tax cuts for top earners? Or a wealth tax? Or an inheritance tax? What is their stance on raising welfare above poverty levels?