Where do you rate Mark Ricciuto?

[kane249]

Premiership player, Brownlow medalist, multiple All-Australian

He may sound like the squeaky voiced teen from the Simpsons but he was still one heck of a player

 

[Bloods]

Great player, a fair way off Hird, little way off Buckley, pretty close to Voss.

1. Hird
2. Buckley
3. Voss
4. Ricciuto

 

[Puddy]

was better than Hird, Voss and Buckley imo

 

[Wood_Duck]

was better than Hird, Voss and Buckley imo

From a Port supporter that is massive praise, or are you taking the piss?

 

[Pedro59]

he,s got a funny whining squeaky sort of voice but

 

[tesseract]

Each won 1 Brownlow. Ricciuto was 9 times AA, Buckley 7, Voss and Hird 5.

Although that could be due to playing 300+ games. Also just checked, all played the same number of seasons, 15, except Hird played 16.

Get a very small blanket and throw it over all of them.

That's how I see it. I don't rate Ricciuto below Voss, Hird and Buckley, he's right there with them. Amazing player. One of my favorite non-WC players.

 

[big78sam]

All great players. I'm really not sure where he fits when looking at each player on their best day but I look to All Australian jumpers as a measure of consistency.

AA generally means you were in the best 22 players that year, regardless of the standard of team you play for (there are some exceptions e.g. only 2 rucks picked each year so you might be in the top handful of players but find 2 other rucks ahead of you). B&F are easier to win in a weak team. Brownlows are heavily dependant on how many games your side wins and how many players in your own team take votes off you.

By that measure, Roo was a consistenly better player than the others. Does he have the most AA jumpers of all time?

 

[Mat the Cat]

Hird/Voss followed closely by Ricciuto/Buckley.

Four greats of our game

 

[Lockyer24]

Rate him the same level as Voss

Bucks and Hird above them

 

[Thommo 42]

I have Hird as the best, and you can throw a blanket over the other 3 blokes who all had their different strengths.

Ricciuto arguably the most complete player of the latter 3 though.

 

[BrunoV]

Open Mike got me thinking about this and how much he achieved.

Always seems the Hird / Voss / Buckley trio is spoken of, does this guy belong squarely alongside them?

We’ll all have thoughts on how we rank those three, but when I think of what I saw of him he seemed to play in a similar manner to Voss. Do people rate him alongside any of Hird, Buckley or Voss?

Personally I have Hird on top (bias, whatever, just my opinion), Buckley next, then Voss about an inch under, I don’t reckon Ricciuto is too far behind him, if at all.

Riccuito was every bit as good as Hird, Voss and Buckley. I never understood why he didn't get the same recogntion (he was pratically the same player as Voss but actually played much more great football than Voss did because Voss was cut down by injuries).

 

[Thommo 42]

i think he was most similar to Vossy too, but was a better mark and had better skills. Yet I find it hard to say he was a better footballer as Vossy had something intangible about him that made him great.

Roo was the hardest prick of the 4, which is high praise given Vossy was a serious hardnut.

 

[SaintsManMat]

All great players. I'm really not sure where he fits when looking at each player on their best day but I look to All Australian jumpers as a measure of consistency.

AA generally means you were in the best 22 players that year, regardless of the standard of team you play for (there are some exceptions e.g. only 2 rucks picked each year so you might be in the top handful of players but find 2 other rucks ahead of you). B&F are easier to win in a weak team. Brownlows are heavily dependant on how many games your side wins and how many players in your own team take votes off you.

By that measure, Roo was a consistenly better player than the others. Does he have the most AA jumpers of all time?

Equal with Robert Harvey for most AAs


I rate Voss and Roo on the same level slightly behind Hird and slightly ahead of Buckley

 

[King_Tredrea]

i think everyone considers Roo a champion, dont they? surely

 

[BrunoV]

i think he was most similar to Vossy too, but was a better mark and had better skills. Yet I find it hard to say he was a better footballer as Vossy had something intangible about him that made him great.

Roo was the hardest prick of the 4, which is high praise given Vossy was a serious hardnut.

Both he and Jon Brown have it...it is called a reputation.

For all of the courage and skills they possess both players have reputations that exceed their actual output. My memory of both players will be that of two players whose bodies did not hold up to the rigors of their game styles to enable them to fulfil their true potential. Their reputations, and involvement in the 2001 to 2003 domination, mean that they are often considered better than players whose records as individuals are as good as if not superior.

For example, Pavlich has also kicked his 500th goal in the last month of footy but has spent about as much time playing forward as he has on the ball and also played a season or two as a defender.

 

[00Stinger]

Always thought he was the best of Hird, Buckley & Voss.

Since he isn't in Victoria he never gets the accolades he deserves

 

[MF]

I think Voss' reputation gets elevated because of the premierships. Roo did everything Voss did and for a longer period . Hird the best of the lot though IMO.

 

[MarcusP2]

Roo was the hardest prick of the 4, which is high praise given Vossy was a serious hardnut.

I could watch him flatten Dean Kemp all day.

I'm heavily biased (as Ricciuto and Modra are my two favourite players of all time) but I have Ricciuto and Hird ahead of Voss and Buckley.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

One of those beasts that could punish you on both Stats sheet and scoreboard. Gun.

 

[seanoff]

i think he was most similar to Vossy too, but was a better mark and had better skills. Yet I find it hard to say he was a better footballer as Vossy had something intangible about him that made him great.

Roo was the hardest prick of the 4, which is high praise given Vossy was a serious hardnut.

Do not get this argument at all. Not saying Roo isn't hard but there is this impression that Hird and Buckley were not.

Hird is seen as a pretty boy but he was as hard and brave as anyone to play and Roo is undersold for his immense ability. A more than useful forward, Roo

If you had to choose one, it would be situational. For me if you needed a pure mid, Voss/Buckley depending on conditions. And if you need a mid/utility player Hird/Roo.

I have hird just slightly above the others but we are talking bees dicks here.

 

[Papa G]

Always thought he was the best of Hird, Buckley & Voss.

Since he isn't in Victoria he never gets the accolades he deserves

Actually none of those guys are Victorian.

 

[wotdoiput]

Hird out in front, then Roo, Voss and lastly Buckley.

Roo was a serious superstar.

 

[Vikingblood]

Do not get this argument at all. Not saying Roo isn't hard but there is this impression that Hird and Buckley were not.

Hird is seen as a pretty boy but he was as hard and brave as anyone to play and Roo is undersold for his immense ability. A more than useful forward, Roo

If you had to choose one, it would be situational. For me if you needed a pure mid, Voss/Buckley depending on conditions. And if you need a mid/utility player Hird/Roo.

I have hird just slightly above the others but we are talking bees dicks here.

A pretty fair assessment and very similar to my thoughts, although I think of Hird more as courageous than tough. He couldn't deal out punishment like Ricciuto. Ricciuto would punish the body of the opponent and come out with the ball. Hird would come out with the ball by putting his body on the line. A fine distinction I know, but they were very different players.

I find these things difficult to compare as all 4 had qualities that any club would want.

 

[Superfist]

The very best of Hird & Voss was slightly better than that of Buckley & Riccuito IMO; it seemed like they could will their teams to victory themselves at times. They were both cruelled by injury though, so Buckley & Riccuito played at a very high level for longer (though didn't hit as high a peak).

I would go Hird JUST over Voss, then Riccuito then Buckley.

Imagine how many weeks Riccuito would get for the hit on Kemp these days. A Gazillion?

 

[Thommo 42]

Do not get this argument at all. Not saying Roo isn't hard but there is this impression that Hird and Buckley were not.

Hird is seen as a pretty boy but he was as hard and brave as anyone to play and Roo is undersold for his immense ability. A more than useful forward, Roo

If you had to choose one, it would be situational. For me if you needed a pure mid, Voss/Buckley depending on conditions. And if you need a mid/utility player Hird/Roo.

I have hird just slightly above the others but we are talking bees dicks here.

It's not an argument, just an observation. Of course they were all tough, but in my view Roo was a true hardnut.

I'd imagine if you had your head over the footy or were dropping into a hole, the last one of those 4 you'd want to run into would have been Ricciuto. I reckon more people talk short steps around Roo than the other 3.

As far as ratings go, seems you have them pretty much the same as me.