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Where do you see the VAFA heading in 10 years time?

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bedford said:
Hopefully getting a new jumper sponsor BLK is a joke, another 4 weeks to wait after putting an order in 6 weeks before the season
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The VAFA are absolute idiots with that deal, literally a 6 month wait on jumpers. A club I was involved with were short jumpers for most of the year and recieved them
In summer. Local suppliers have a 2 week max turn around and if needed urgentently would do it quicker.

The VAFA in 10 years I dare say will probably have 3 numbered divisions with more clubs folding or leaving. The no drinking policy is killing these clubs. Makes it harder to attract players (especially reserves who can't enjoy a beer after the game), most clubs have virtually no money and can't generate any besides generous sponsors and the crowds are terrible meaning no atmosphere and little appeal to watch. With the new points systems and salary caps in place in other league I think plenty of teams will leave and back themselves to raise the cash needed with bar sales.


The VAFA needs to allow beer sales even from just from 2 o'clock onwards. I'm not really intrested in the opinion of people from the top school clubs who are propped up by some of the states wealthiest and best schools. Nearly every person involved I talk to involved in the "poorer" clubs know it would help unbelievably. Even buying new footballs, merch, equipment. Simply making it a more appealing place for a local footballer.

Spending a day at another leagues game with a beer in hand watching the game the other week was an absolute treat and with Australian culture people will always opt to support those leagues.
 
watchdog1987 said:
The VAFA are absolute idiots with that deal, literally a 6 month wait on jumpers. A club I was involved with were short jumpers for most of the year and recieved them
In summer. Local suppliers have a 2 week max turn around and if needed urgentently would do it quicker.

The VAFA in 10 years I dare say will probably have 3 numbered divisions with more clubs folding or leaving. The no drinking policy is killing these clubs. Makes it harder to attract players (especially reserves who can't enjoy a beer after the game), most clubs have virtually no money and can't generate any besides generous sponsors and the crowds are terrible meaning no atmosphere and little appeal to watch. With the new points systems and salary caps in place in other league I think plenty of teams will leave and back themselves to raise the cash needed with bar sales.


The VAFA needs to allow beer sales even from just from 2 o'clock onwards. I'm not really intrested in the opinion of people from the top school clubs who are propped up by some of the states wealthiest and best schools. Nearly every person involved I talk to involved in the "poorer" clubs know it would help unbelievably. Even buying new footballs, merch, equipment. Simply making it a more appealing place for a local footballer.

Spending a day at another leagues game with a beer in hand watching the game the other week was an absolute treat and with Australian culture people will always opt to support those leagues.
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I cannot see the number of clubs dropping.

The admin is always getting clubs wanting to participate and with the women's comp coming on stream in 2017, that won't change.

You only need to look at how uncompetitive much of suburban footy is (e.g. Nunawading) to see that Amateur Footy is only going to grow - maybe not so much in outer areas.
 
pazza said:
I cannot see the number of clubs dropping.

The admin is always getting clubs wanting to participate and with the women's comp coming on stream in 2017, that won't change.

You only need to look at how uncompetitive much of suburban footy is (e.g. Nunawading) to see that Amateur Footy is only going to grow - maybe not so much in outer areas.
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Nunawading IMHO should join the ammos. Too many EFL clubs within close range. Ammos would offer some slight differentiation. Box hill nth and eley park both seem to go OK for players in that area.
 
hansie said:
Nunawading IMHO should join the ammos. Too many EFL clubs within close range. Ammos would offer some slight differentiation. Box hill nth and eley park both seem to go OK for players in that area.
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Would you want to bring a club to our competition who is clearly struggling on field. Time to get our own house in order first. Too many clubs folding/leaving in recent years so I would like the ammos to look into fixing these issues first.
 
I don't think that D4 will exist in 10 years. The yearly struggle for numbers (on and off field talent) particularly for clubs without juniors will see folds, reverting to clubbies and mergers become the flavour of the next decade. I'm not saying this in a negative manner, just I see in my travels that there are way too many clubs in the lower divisions that rely on too few.
 
watchdog1987 said:
The VAFA in 10 years I dare say will probably have 3 numbered divisions with more clubs folding or leaving. The no drinking policy is killing these clubs. Makes it harder to attract players (especially reserves who can't enjoy a beer after the game), most clubs have virtually no money and can't generate any besides generous sponsors and the crowds are terrible meaning no atmosphere and little appeal to watch. With the new points systems and salary caps in place in other league I think plenty of teams will leave and back themselves to raise the cash needed with bar sales.

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FWIW I have never heard a potential recruit say they aren't playing ammos because they can't have a beer during the seniors, but you raise a good point. It is hard enough as it is to raise cash for clubs these days, surely abiding by liquor laws of the state of Victoria are enough incentive for clubs to remain vigilant than VAFA prohibition.
Solutions could be having a wet area that is not behind either goal and only serving from 2pm onwards (unless you had a lunch prior).
By the way as you are from the NFL I notice that their Div 2 premiers Reservoir folded in the off season. Can't remember that happening in the Ammos so maybe things aren't all that bad.
 
FWIW said:
FWIW I have never heard a potential recruit say they aren't playing ammos because they can't have a beer during the seniors, but you raise a good point. It is hard enough as it is to raise cash for clubs these days, surely abiding by liquor laws of the state of Victoria are enough incentive for clubs to remain vigilant than VAFA prohibition.
Solutions could be having a wet area that is not behind either goal and only serving from 2pm onwards (unless you had a lunch prior).
By the way as you are from the NFL I notice that their Div 2 premiers Reservoir folded in the off season. Can't remember that happening in the Ammos so maybe things aren't all that bad.
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I know blokes who are defiantly put off playing Ammo's because of the rule compared to playing in the other leagues. I simply think the rewards of more supporters attending, More money for the clubs far out weighs the risk of the occasional alcohol fueled incident. Someone i know from Banyule although not going that well in the NFL have said their attendances have gone through the roof since their move and being able to sell beer.

Years ago playing in an Ammo's reserves side after the game a group of players from the Home side walked from Sportscover arena to the pub nearby to drink after the game instead of watching their seniors.

Like you said make rules of 2pm on wards and any incidents clubs will have there permit taken away. Make it a choice for clubs if need be? Not every club has to elect to sell beer during games if they don't want to but it would improve the league massively IMO.

As for Reservoir I believe they attracted a lot of blokes keen to play in Div 3 as its a much lower standard than division 2 who simply bailed after the flag as they didn't want to play the higher level.
 
gatorboy1 said:
Would you want to bring a club to our competition who is clearly struggling on field. Time to get our own house in order first. Too many clubs folding/leaving in recent years so I would like the ammos to look into fixing these issues first.
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Fair comment however I lived through something similar in 2013. My club went winless in div 4 EFL. Went to the ammos, ones made finals 2014 d4, twos just missed, then dual d4 flags last year. Granted recruiting went well for the ammos move, however I think all at Canterbury think we made the correct call. Nuna in a worse state than we were however could be competitive in d4 next year
 

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hansie said:
Fair comment however I lived through something similar in 2013. My club went winless in div 4 EFL. Went to the ammos, ones made finals 2014 d4, twos just missed, then dual d4 flags last year. Granted recruiting went well for the ammos move, however I think all at Canterbury think we made the correct call. Nuna in a worse state than we were however could be competitive in d4 next year
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"Nuna competive in D4"

Isn't their Senior Captain a bloke that couldn't get a run in your 2's?

A bit of quality control from Headquarters might help the VAFA and not agree to take and sometime retake the strugglers from "professional" leagues
 
watchdog1987 said:
I know blokes who are defiantly put off playing Ammo's because of the rule compared to playing in the other leagues. I simply think the rewards of more supporters attending, More money for the clubs far out weighs the risk of the occasional alcohol fueled incident. Someone i know from Banyule although not going that well in the NFL have said their attendances have gone through the roof since their move and being able to sell beer.

Years ago playing in an Ammo's reserves side after the game a group of players from the Home side walked from Sportscover arena to the pub nearby to drink after the game instead of watching their seniors.

Like you said make rules of 2pm on wards and any incidents clubs will have there permit taken away. Make it a choice for clubs if need be? Not every club has to elect to sell beer during games if they don't want to but it would improve the league massively IMO.

As for Reservoir I believe they attracted a lot of blokes keen to play in Div 3 as its a much lower standard than division 2 who simply bailed after the flag as they didn't want to play the higher level.
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7 divisions of seniors and reserves, 3 of thirds, 2 of clubbies and 5 divisions of U19 suggest that plenty are not put off. Enough idiots out there watching the footy who turn into raving lunatics after a few beers. I like a beer as much an anyone but more than happy to go without until 5pm on a Saturday to avoid all the crap that happens across other suburban and country leagues.

If clubs don’t like the no alcohol policy then they are free to leave. Some have but the sheer number of clubs in the VAFA suggests that most are entirely comfortable with things as they are.
 
Rooster 24 said:
7 divisions of seniors and reserves, 3 of thirds, 2 of clubbies and 5 divisions of U19 suggest that plenty are not put off. Enough idiots out there watching the footy who turn into raving lunatics after a few beers. I like a beer as much an anyone but more than happy to go without until 5pm on a Saturday to avoid all the crap that happens across other suburban and country leagues.

If clubs don’t like the no alcohol policy then they are free to leave. Some have but the sheer number of clubs in the VAFA suggests that most are entirely comfortable with things as they are.
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How many of those clubs have piss poor facilities/club rooms , no money, old used sherrins at training, Low crowds ect. Most of the best clubs in the higher divisions that attract better players are that with a backing from a wealthy school which conviently have money.

Its all well and good to have plenty of teams but if these clubs had revenue from bar sales it would allow the clubs to spend more on the football department including better trainers, footballs and overall a more attractive environment for a local footballer which can attract better talent.

yes it's 3 hours a week but for many blokes watching the local footy and drinking a beer goes hand in hand. That's why the crowds are generally much lower than other leagues.
 

The problem with the alcohol at local games is the potential of what can happen.

Let's go back to the WRFL grand final between Port Colts and Spotswood in 2009 at Werribee. Had a full beer can zing past me in the crowd during the end of match fracas. There are many stories of umpires being locked in rooms after local games where the serving of alcohol is present, out of fear for their lives. The VAFA no alcohol policy works, as it is more about family footy than anything else.
 
watchdog1987 said:
How many of those clubs have piss poor facilities/club rooms , no money, old used sherrins at training, Low crowds ect. Most of the best clubs in the higher divisions that attract better players are that with a backing from a wealthy school which conviently have money.

Its all well and good to have plenty of teams but if these clubs had revenue from bar sales it would allow the clubs to spend more on the football department including better trainers, footballs and overall a more attractive environment for a local footballer which can attract better talent.

yes it's 3 hours a week but for many blokes watching the local footy and drinking a beer goes hand in hand. That's why the crowds are generally much lower than other leagues.
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Countless clubs across the state have “piss poor facilities, no money, old used Sherrins etc etc. And they also have to endure drunken clowns abusing players, umpires and opposition supporters. No thanks.

Revenue from bar sales does nothing more than line the pockets of a handful of players, many of whom swap loyalties at the sniff of a better offer from someone else. This goes to the heart of the problem of local football in this state and if bar sales contribute in any way to this mercenary culture then personally I’m glad we have no part of it.

I respect your opinion but if you think watching the local footy and drinking beer goes hand in hand then we are diametrically opposed. I am one of the first to the bar post game but for me the football is the attraction, not the need to consume alcohol while doing so.
 
Rooster 24 said:
Countless clubs across the state have “piss poor facilities, no money, old used Sherrins etc etc. And they also have to endure drunken clowns abusing players, umpires and opposition supporters. No thanks.

Revenue from bar sales does nothing more than line the pockets of a handful of players, many of whom swap loyalties at the sniff of a better offer from someone else. This goes to the heart of the problem of local football in this state and if bar sales contribute in any way to this mercenary culture then personally I’m glad we have no part of it.

I respect your opinion but if you think watching the local footy and drinking beer goes hand in hand then we are diametrically opposed. I am one of the first to the bar post game but for me the football is the attraction, not the need to consume alcohol while doing so.
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My view as well. VAFA is the largest league in the state so there's no issue with getting players and teams to participate. It's also the strongest suburban league in terms of standard at the top end, so clearly the right players are attracted.

If you want to drink at the game, there are leagues that will cater for you. If you want to bring the kids, sit on the hill and enjoy the footy without the loutish behaviour, then the Ammos will gladly accept you.
 
I haven't been to the Suburban League games. Is there an admission charge and is there a ban on bringing alcohol to the ground? Is that how it works?
 
watchdog1987 said:
The VAFA are absolute idiots with that deal, literally a 6 month wait on jumpers. A club I was involved with were short jumpers for most of the year and recieved them
In summer. Local suppliers have a 2 week max turn around and if needed urgentently would do it quicker.

The VAFA in 10 years I dare say will probably have 3 numbered divisions with more clubs folding or leaving. The no drinking policy is killing these clubs. Makes it harder to attract players (especially reserves who can't enjoy a beer after the game), most clubs have virtually no money and can't generate any besides generous sponsors and the crowds are terrible meaning no atmosphere and little appeal to watch. With the new points systems and salary caps in place in other league I think plenty of teams will leave and back themselves to raise the cash needed with bar sales.


The VAFA needs to allow beer sales even from just from 2 o'clock onwards. I'm not really intrested in the opinion of people from the top school clubs who are propped up by some of the states wealthiest and best schools. Nearly every person involved I talk to involved in the "poorer" clubs know it would help unbelievably. Even buying new footballs, merch, equipment. Simply making it a more appealing place for a local footballer.

Spending a day at another leagues game with a beer in hand watching the game the other week was an absolute treat and with Australian culture people will always opt to support those leagues.
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Only weeks ago a game was called off in the SFL because of fuelled-up spectators. It’s the second time in about year. I can’t recall a game being called off due to spectator violence in the VAFA. In fact, I haven’t been at a game in a long, long time where there was any significant spectator issues.

The choice is simple, if you can’t enjoy a game without a frothy in your hand there a plenty of community footy games to go to who allow it. Go!

The VAFA has functioned just fine for decades without grog during match time. It’s a point of difference to other comps and a contributing reason as to why it is the best comp going around.
 

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