Where to for Petrie?

[viccles]

Do we persist or give him a rest from the seniors

 

[Ausgard]

We have to persist with him but there were .. once again .. a few worrying signs

As the commentators said last night when he flew for a mark in the goal square - 2 years ago he would have nailed it

 

[benno87]

I thought he presented well tonight, could have had a few more marks and a couple more goals, but obviously his confidence is down. I'd play him as 3rd tall against West Coast this week, he had Harley last week, Cornes this week, next eek he'll have a joke of a defender, so hopefully he can lift his confidence and take a few grabs.

 

[NeoBlaze]

DOWN BACK! for heavens sake, he is pitiful at the moment as a forward, he looks like a man with a confidence crisis up forward

 

[Rod Stroker]

For the last quarter, I would have put him in the ruck and left Hale forward, so that Drew could get his hands on the ball, or played him in defence with Tredrea off to the ground, just to get his confidence up.

Having said that, he did play OK up forward in the last term.

Do you think they will drop him to make way for Thompson this week ?

 

[scottywiper]

This may sound silly but...
I actually thought he took a step forward in the second half.
Kicked a scrambled goal, started to get his hands on the ball again, should have kicked a second goal.
I also noticed that he was well clear, by at least 5m, on the lead on at least three occasions and poor disposal saw the ball go over his head each time.
Had those three kicks gone to him, as they should have, he'd probably have had 10 touches, six marks and two or three goals.
Then it would have been a very serviceable night.

 

[BW]

His confidence is well and truly shot.

He still does enough to warrant a spot in the team, no doubt, but maybe it would be worth dropping him to Port Melbourne for a game or two. Play him at full forward, take a few contested marks, drill a few goals, and most importantly, getting his confidence back could well do the trick.

Not suggesting he deserves to be dropped, not even suggesting that this action should be taken right now, just saying that a stint in the two's could well do wonders for his form and confidence when playing at a higher standard.

 

[Moti]

I think the one thing we have to do is forget about his determination, courage and second efforts. While these are all usually top notch, he isn't getting paid to have these his major attributes. He is paid to take marks and contest.

The problem is that he doesn't take many marks yet his opponent does and provides rebound. I have to admit I was ready to lynch him in the second quarter. His effect was so much so that whenever he was off we kicked goals and whenever on Port kicked goals.

He improved marginally in the 2nd half but is a long way from being a certainty in IMHO. I thought Dean could have tried him in the ruck at times though, somewhere where his inability to read the play becomes less of a hassle.

The big problem is that both Motlop and Jones are providing far more and I would be much happier to have a 2nd ruckman like Mc Intosh who can also go forward on the bench, and have the two big guys (Rocca, Thompson) and the two medium guys (Motlop, Jones) and have more speed on the ground.

I aid pre-season I felt Drew may slip away, although I certainly don't want that. Unfortunately, unless we can get a Wayne Carey down to show him how to read the play, that may just happen.

 

[speedy]

This may sound silly but...
I actually thought he took a step forward in the second half.....
I also noticed that he was well clear, by at least 5m, on the lead on at least three occasions and poor disposal saw the ball go over his head each time.....

I agree, his second half wasnt to bad. He also got the break on Cornes quite a few time as you said but his lead was ignored. I think that was a game plan to get Cornes out of the play. Drew lead very early and way up the ground.

 

[Star]

Whilst he continues the one-percenters and maintains his work rate his time will come and his form will turn

The frustrating thing is we know he can play. Lets hope he shows it soon before the clubs loses patience with him as some supporters obviously have.

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

He had a bad game. Any stats he got were inflated by a few touches after the game was won. But at least he got a few touches. See how he goes next week..

 

[Wild Kangaroo]

I thought he presented well tonight, could have had a few more marks and a couple more goals, but obviously his confidence is down. I'd play him as 3rd tall against West Coast this week, he had Harley last week, Cornes this week, next eek he'll have a joke of a defender, so hopefully he can lift his confidence and take a few grabs.

I agree, He played alright last night, especially in the 2nd hlf

 

[Flaymin' Maurie]

Looks as if Petrie is the Bigfooty B!tch for 2005.

For crying ot loud, its only February - its a practice match after all. Leave the bloke alone. All the fools who think that they are pinpointing Drew's 'problem' and are suggesting what he should or should not be doing, should pull on some boots themselves or become a coach and not hiding from behind their computer screens.

 

[Michele]

Looks as if Petrie is the Bigfooty B!tch for 2005.

For crying ot loud, its only February - its a practice match after all. Leave the bloke alone. All the fools who think that they are pinpointing Drew's 'problem' and are suggesting what he should or should not be doing, should pull on some boots themselves or become a coach and not hiding from behind their computer screens.

There are some 'experts' on this board who know much more than the coach/coaches, the match committee and the current board.
And for the players, well, the 'experts' also know and presumably can play better than them. That's why they are sitting behind a computer.

So North is in very good hands.

 

[Dr Who]

Last year many got bagged on here for suggesting Porter wasn’t up to it, but guess what? That’s right not only did the coach end up agreeing, so did every other coach in the comp! Yet the rose coloured glasses brigade continues to shout down anyone who suggests a player should be dropped.

 

[NeoBlaze]

Last year many got bagged on here for suggesting Porter wasn’t up to it, but guess what? That’s right not only did the coach end up agreeing, so did every other coach in the comp! Yet the rose coloured glasses brigade continues to shout down anyone who suggests a player should be dropped.

amen to that

 

[moomba]

Last year many got bagged on here for suggesting Porter wasn’t up to it, but guess what? That’s right not only did the coach end up agreeing, so did every other coach in the comp! Yet the rose coloured glasses brigade continues to shout down anyone who suggests a player should be dropped.

Yep, and in the past people on BF have suggested that Colby is not good enough, Motlop is not good enough, Brown is not good enough, Sav is not good enough (I think that might have been me), Harvey is not good enough, Hale is not good enough, Petrie is not good enough, Jones is not good enough, Sansbury is not good enough, Rawlings is not good enough (quite a few guilty of that one), Firrito is not good enough, Simpson is not good enough, Laidley is not good enough etc etc etc. Are you going to suggest that any one who got one the above wrong should just stay quiet in future?

FWIW I don't think anyone suggested last season that Porter was a good long term option, just that he was better than our other alternatives while Hale and McIntosh were still developing. The fact that he was considered surplus to requirements this season does nothing to prove that line of thinking right or wrong. Either way the pro Porter camp was regularly shouted down by the anti Porter camp rather than being the other way around.

 

[Flaymin' Maurie]

I think the one thing we have to do is forget about his determination, courage and second efforts. While these are all usually top notch, he isn't getting paid to have these his major attributes. He is paid to take marks and contest.

The problem is that he doesn't take many marks yet his opponent does and provides rebound. I have to admit I was ready to lynch him in the second quarter. His effect was so much so that whenever he was off we kicked goals and whenever on Port kicked goals.

He improved marginally in the 2nd half but is a long way from being a certainty in IMHO. I thought Dean could have tried him in the ruck at times though, somewhere where his inability to read the play becomes less of a hassle.

The big problem is that both Motlop and Jones are providing far more and I would be much happier to have a 2nd ruckman like Mc Intosh who can also go forward on the bench, and have the two big guys (Rocca, Thompson) and the two medium guys (Motlop, Jones) and have more speed on the ground.

I aid pre-season I felt Drew may slip away, although I certainly don't want that. Unfortunately, unless we can get a Wayne Carey down to show him how to read the play, that may just happen.

Are you sure you are not Dermott Brereton? I mean, for a piece that is relatively short, there are 10 references to yourself there!!! (EG "I felt Drew may slip away").

And come up with a valid reason/example of why YOU think Drew can't "read play"?

 

[Moti]

Drew constantly runs into poor position and in the past 2 years his opponent seems to always move him away from the ball. He leads to early, he leads too late, he runs himself out wide. He works bloody hard to get the ball by running around a lot, without much thought where that actually is. A good forward anticipates the play and makes position based on that knowledge. That is why he would have to be the most outmarked forward in the game. The defence read the flight and simply out think him. And to Benno in particular who says he should play CHB, the same inability will short circuit any attempt to keep a good forward down.

And of course we all make opinions on players as funnily enough that is what a forum is for. We built Drew up after the Carey fiasco and now we have to see whether we were a tad premature. The guy can fix the fact the ball doesn't stick any more and he can also fix the confidence levels, but it will take a lot to fix his football brain which is simply not Power forward material. He is a good 3rd tall though, but with other guys showing good form, the question therefore is which do you choose?

 

[moomba]

I think the one thing we have to do is forget about his determination, courage and second efforts. While these are all usually top notch, he isn't getting paid to have these his major attributes. He is paid to take marks and contest.

Certainly not, a goal created by determination, courage and second efforts is just as good (sometimes even better as far as providing inspiration) than one created from a mark.

 

[Moti]

Certainly not, a goal created by determination, courage and second efforts is just as good (sometimes even better as far as providing inspiration) than one created from a mark.

But what does he do the other 120 minutes of the game? If he brings both then he becomes very valuable. If it is just the odd determined act that keeps him in, then how much more pressure does he add to the forwards who have to pick up the slack?

 

[moomba]

Drew constantly runs into poor position and in the past 2 years his opponent seems to always move him away from the ball. He leads to early, he leads too late, he runs himself out wide. He works bloody hard to get the ball by running around a lot, without much thought where that actually is. A good forward anticipates the play and makes position based on that knowledge. That is why he would have to be the most outmarked forward in the game. The defence read the flight and simply out think him. And to Benno in particular who says he should play CHB, the same inability will short circuit any attempt to keep a good forward down.

One of the jobs Drew would be asked to do is to create space in the forward line for the likes of Sav, Motlop and the crumbers. He would do this by leading early, leading wide etc and while it would probably be considered by some as a bad lead it can actually benefit the team.

Not sure if you would remember a game Wayne Carey played where he was basically positioning himself as far away from the play as possible, dragging a defender or two to him and creating space for our other forwards. It didn't involve a lot of stats, or what would seem to the naked eye to be particularly smart play but it was hugely effective on the day, and a huge contributer to the win.

The second thing as far as being outmarked and shifted off the ball, I can only go by how we were delivering the ball a few years back but I suspect the very best CHF's would have similar problems.

 

[moomba]

But what does he do the other 120 minutes of the game? If he brings both then he becomes very valuable. If it is just the odd determined act that keeps him in, then how much more pressure does he add to the forwards who have to pick up the slack?

Determination etc should be a given every game, all game. If you ar egoing to judge the effectiveness of the rest of his game it should be judged on it's merits, not by the number of marks he takes.

To suggest a player cannot be earning his spot in the team or the money he gets if he doesn't take a set amount of marks is just plain wrong IMO.

 

[Angus1]

I'd like to see him given a go in the ruck. See if he can take a few marks around the ground. I can't see how anyone could say he played well last night. Give him a run in the ruck during these practice matches to get his marking back again. You can tell his confidence is shot by the way he has been kicking the ball. He just needs to get back to doing the basic things again.

 

[Event Horizon]

Someone like Donald McDonald should make Petrie a special priority and spend a lot of one on one time with him. He just needs to understand what his role is and go back to basics.

On the positive side though, his fitness seems to have improved as he is now running out games. When he first started doing well a couple of years ago his main problem was he was virtually absent in the second half of games.