Where to for Petrie?

[Briedis]

Determination etc should be a given every game, all game. If you ar egoing to judge the effectiveness of the rest of his game it should be judged on it's merits, not by the number of marks he takes.

To suggest a player cannot be earning his spot in the team or the money he gets if he doesn't take a set amount of marks is just plain wrong IMO.

Cool! So if Dean picks me next week and I run my guts out all night and get ******** all touches and have no impact on contests because I am a hopeless footballer I get another game?

CHF is there to take marks.

Not inferring Petrie is hopeless by the way, but hav to agree with MOTI that he has to hold more grabs. Putting in the hard yards is great, but I would like to see him get to more contests and have more impact (ie. take a mark) if he is to play CHF.

For what it's worth I don't think he will play CHF much this year anyway. Thommo should fill that role.

 

[moomba]

Cool! So if Dean picks me next week and I run my guts out all night and get ******** all touches and have no impact on contests because I am a hopeless footballer I get another game?

I'm not suggesting that at all, and I suspect you know that.

CHF is there to take marks.

No they are not, they are there to contribute to a team performances just as every other position is. If Petrie gets 5 crumbing goals and doesn't take a mark next week are you suggesting that it would be a poor performance? Would it be better if he gets 10 marks and gives the resulting frees to the opposition he has had a good game. Ridiculous examples I know but I do know that some of Careys best work was simply knocking the ball down to a runner and he is the best I have seen in the position.

Not inferring Petrie is hopeless by the way, but hav to agree with MOTI that he has to hold more grabs. Putting in the hard yards is great, but I would like to see him get to more contests and have more impact (ie. take a mark) if he is to play CHF.

I've certainly got no problem if he does get hold of more marks, but I don't think a player should be judged on stats alone, particularly one stat that IMO says very little about a players overall performance.

For what it's worth I don't think he will play CHF much this year anyway. Thommo should fill that role.

I think 3rd tall is about right for him, if he underperforms I suspect he will be given runs on the ball and in the backline before he is dropped.

 

[Tas]

I think Drew is more than capable of playing, his confidence is just shot to pieces and there is no overnight solution to that, he just needs to get some of the ball over a few games and start to believe in himself.

His kicking for goal is also a real concern, he STILL doesn't look comfortable from 30m dead in front of goal yet Hale can pop them from 50m out on the boundry.

He has been dropping some dead set sitter marks and he is just getting frustrated as he plays. I was disappointed that at half-time the boys were gathering to walk off the ground together and Drew just walked off the ground with his head down. That is not what guys like Perry, Perkins and Pratt want to see from a team leader.

I do not think him going back is a solution to the problem anymore. I suggested it last year and it was left far too late before JYD moved him into defense. Now we have guys like Brown cementing CHB and new guys like Perry, etc tested in positions in defense. They need game time in those positions because they are more than likely going to be playing there in the future.

Drew's reading of the play is not good, but despite our doing well in the middle, our disposal inside 50 is still not very good. Our midfielders do not often kick it to the advantage of our tall forwards so it is difficult for our talls to get a lot of marks. The ball is usually just kicked to a spot in front of goal and that makes it easy for defenders to spoil.

What JYD needs to do is run Petrie into some confidence. I would put him at FF, start him out from the square, play the flankers wide. His leads should be from the goal square to no further than 30m out of goal and no wider than a 45 degree angle and to instruct the midfielders to kick it out in front of him when they get the ball. It doesn't matter if he doesn't take marks at first just leave him there and keep putting the ball out into that zone.

He will come good if JYD persists.

 

[Woodson]

I think Drew is more than capable of playing, his confidence is just shot to pieces and there is no overnight solution to that, he just needs to get some of the ball over a few games and start to believe in himself.

His kicking for goal is also a real concern, he STILL doesn't look comfortable from 30m dead in front of goal yet Hale can pop them from 50m out on the boundry.

He has been dropping some dead set sitter marks and he is just getting frustrated as he plays. I was disappointed that at half-time the boys were gathering to walk off the ground together and Drew just walked off the ground with his head down. That is not what guys like Perry, Perkins and Pratt want to see from a team leader.

I do not think him going back is a solution to the problem anymore. I suggested it last year and it was left far too late before JYD moved him into defense. Now we have guys like Brown cementing CHB and new guys like Perry, etc tested in positions in defense. They need game time in those positions because they are more than likely going to be playing there in the future.

Drew's reading of the play is not good, but despite our doing well in the middle, our disposal inside 50 is still not very good. Our midfielders do not often kick it to the advantage of our tall forwards so it is difficult for our talls to get a lot of marks. The ball is usually just kicked to a spot in front of goal and that makes it easy for defenders to spoil.

What JYD needs to do is run Petrie into some confidence. I would put him at FF, start him out from the square, play the flankers wide. His leads should be from the goal square to no further than 30m out of goal and no wider than a 45 degree angle and to instruct the midfielders to kick it out in front of him when they get the ball. It doesn't matter if he doesn't take marks at first just leave him there and keep putting the ball out into that zone.

He will come good if JYD persists.

Love ya work Tas.

Btw, the Moomba / Moti discussions is like a Abbott & Costello routine..
guys, I reckon you are saying the right stuff (my head is almost falling off with all the nodding ) just STOP damn it !! I'm getting WHIPLASH !!

 

[True_Roo]

Where to for Petrie?
Move him into the ruck... Corey's hardly setting the world on fire, it's gotta' be worth a try.

 

[Z_K]

Probably the worst thing Dean Laidley could do in his coaching career would be to drop Drew Petrie now. He needs to hold the footy for a bit. He needs to jump on a pack, go back and kick a goal from 50. Confidence players are frustrating, but they are always a few contests away from being "back".

He will be fine IMHO. He needs support, a bit of help from Thommo, some of Junior's confidence and a good QTR of footy.

 

[utility]

An interesting point about Petrie is also how we use McKernan. Last year Corey played a lot in the forward line, but there is no way you can have him, Sav, Thommo and Drew all there... throw in Le Cras who looked good last week and mid-sized marking players in CJ and Jnr and it's getting top heavy. With Perry doing a hammy he may be thrown into the backline, especially if Gardiner is there.

 

[glen dean]

might be worth chucking him in the ruck for a while and let him roam free and pick up some easy posessions. try and get his confidence back.
we wont lose anything in ruck contests. he is just as good as any ruck we have at the moment.
not sure there is much point unbalancing our backline at the moment. just to try and get a player more involved.
his kicking for goal is still a worry aswell.

 

[Shinboners]

might be worth chucking him in the ruck for a while and let him roam free and pick up some easy posessions. try and get his confidence back.
we wont lose anything in ruck contests. he is just as good as any ruck we have at the moment.

After watching Hale's performance, I would think that if we used Petrie in ruck, it would be strictly as a relief ruckman. There is just no point in changing the role of a player who is starting to do well in his role in order to accomodate a player who is out of form.

not sure there is much point unbalancing our backline at the moment. just to try and get a player more involved.
his kicking for goal is still a worry aswell.

His kicking action has gone haywire. In his first season, he would always have one dodgy kick at goal, but he'd nail the others - in the end, his action looked fine. Now, most of his shots at goal just don't look that good off the boot. Technique and confidence can often go hand in hand, and at the moment, he doesn't seem to have either. But as NorthBhoy has pointed out, he's really only needs that one game where he takes a bagful of marks and nails 3 or 4 goals, and his form will be back.

 

[Firrito24]

leave the poor guy alone. he's had one average wiz cup game (vs gee), and this way mainly due to the conditions not suiting a big guy, and one ordinary game (vs pa). there are plenty of other guys that have had poor wizard cups. what about where to for Watt?, and where to for McKernan?. get off his back, he tries hard and he's not the only one going through a lean patch.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Thommo back into the fwd line and relief ruck, Perry out with hammy, Drew down back on the third tall (assuming they have one). He needs some time behind the ball to regain some of his confidence. Another disturbing thing on Saturday night was how easily he was bumped off the ball.

But keep him in the team. He'll come good.

 

[Lidge]

Probably the worst thing Dean Laidley could do in his coaching career would be to drop Drew Petrie now. He needs to hold the footy for a bit. He needs to jump on a pack, go back and kick a goal from 50. Confidence players are frustrating, but they are always a few contests away from being "back".

He will be fine IMHO. He needs support, a bit of help from Thommo, some of Junior's confidence and a good QTR of footy.

Tend to disagree on your theory. Yep - he needs confidence, and needs to get the footy to do that.

Don't see him fixing that problem in Perth on Friday.

I'd be happy for JYD to give him a run for Port Melbourne this weekend to find some form (be a quicker fix to the problem IMO). Thommo is back this week, and I'd like to see LeCras given another run and H brought in for a taste. If ppl are a bit sensitive about Drew - disguise/justify it as a rotation policy of our talls if you want.

I don't think he should be viewed as a protected species. Our ultimate confidence player (McKernan) has rebounded quickly whenever sent back to the Magoos to find touch.

 

[Lidge]

Thommo back into the fwd line and relief ruck, Perry out with hammy, Drew down back on the third tall (assuming they have one). He needs some time behind the ball to regain some of his confidence. Another disturbing thing on Saturday night was how easily he was bumped off the ball.

But keep him in the team. He'll come good.

Colbert's in for Perry. Don't need a 4th tall in defence against the Weagles (they have one of the shorter forward set ups in the comp).

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I wonder what his game would have been like if he had held that screamer in the goalsquare.

Kept his head up in the second half after a towelling, but there are still real worries. Why he tried to play on after that mark, despite the fact it ended up in a goal, is beyond me.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

There are some 'experts' on this board who know much more than the coach/coaches, the match committee and the current board.
And for the players, well, the 'experts' also know and presumably can play better than them. That's why they are sitting behind a computer.

So North is in very good hands.

The Marcia Hines of BF?

If criticism and negative opinions of players was left only to the people involved in the club, this would be a very boring board.

 

[Flaymin' Maurie]

Drew constantly runs into poor position and in the past 2 years his opponent seems to always move him away from the ball. He leads to early, he leads too late, he runs himself out wide. He works bloody hard to get the ball by running around a lot, without much thought where that actually is. A good forward anticipates the play and makes position based on that knowledge. That is why he would have to be the most outmarked forward in the game. The defence read the flight and simply out think him. And to Benno in particular who says he should play CHB, the same inability will short circuit any attempt to keep a good forward down.

For goodness sake, what makes you such a bloody expert?

He does this, he does that, good forwards this, defence reads that, he is out thinked this, he can't think that........i mean such a load of crud!!!!!

If you put your money where your mouth is, it would be a case of move over Jock McHale. You'd have coached 10 premierships by now.

 

[Angus1]

there are plenty of other guys that have had poor wizard cups. what about where to for Watt?, and where to for McKernan?. get off his back, he tries hard and he's not the only one going through a lean patch.

Your new here hey?
Those 2 you named have copped more sprays on this board then any other.
It's a discussion board so we are discussing. Don't let it get to you or you will end up like Michele.

 

[Moti]

For goodness sake, what makes you such a bloody expert?

He does this, he does that, good forwards this, defence reads that, he is out thinked this, he can't think that........i mean such a load of crud!!!!!

If you put your money where your mouth is, it would be a case of move over Jock McHale. You'd have coached 10 premierships by now.

OK, if you can find me an AFL team to coach then I will do it, otherwise it will have to be this board!

 

[Dingster]

I'd be happy for JYD to give him a run for Port Melbourne this weekend to find some form (be a quicker fix to the problem IMO). Thommo is back this week, and I'd like to see LeCras given another run and H brought in for a taste. If ppl are a bit sensitive about Drew - disguise/justify it as a rotation policy of our talls if you want.

I tend to agree with you. Maybe it's part of being a leader to say I'll take it and dominate the Port game because I am good enough. I'd love to see both.

 

[Briedis]

No they are not, they are there to contribute to a team performances just as every other position is. If Petrie gets 5 crumbing goals and doesn't take a mark next week are you suggesting that it would be a poor performance? Would it be better if he gets 10 marks and gives the resulting frees to the opposition he has had a good game. Ridiculous examples I know but I do know that some of Careys best work was simply knocking the ball down to a runner and he is the best I have seen in the position.

Carey's best work was crashing packs and taking marks. I can't think of many CHFs who not been fantastic marks. Brereton, Carey, Kernahan and Hart were all great marks. Carey's ground level work was great, but I will remember his marking and his ability to stamp his pressence on contests and win them against great odds before his crumbing at ground level.

The main issue with Drew is that he struggles to get to many contests and when he does he fails to have much impact on the contest. He gets outmarked or turns it over too easily. He does not bring it to ground to the advantage of our runners. He runs hard, but at times I think he runs a little dumb and is often late to where the ball will drop and provides minimal pressure.

Great that he tries hard, but if you can't read the play then that's a major issue. The best CHF's are able to do this without thinking too much.

Thommo provided far more pressure at contests during the first Wizza game, so I would be more inclined to see him play CHF.

Perhaps being the 3rd tall will help Drew read the play. Agree with NB though - Dean must persevere with him as he has shown enough in 2003 to warrant some time to regain touch.

 

[Dingster]

Perhaps being the 3rd tall will help Drew read the play. Agree with NB though - Dean must persevere with him as he has shown enough in 2003 to warrant some time to regain touch.

Pretty fair summary Arnie. How much time would you give him?

 

[Briedis]

Pretty fair summary Arnie. How much time would you give him?

Question is, how much time will Dean give him?

I think his spot is very safe and it should be as I think it is just a form slump. But, if Thommo can hold down CHF and pressure from the two comes from the likes of Hamish and Drew is still performing the way he is then that may change.

I sort of have a question in the back of my mind of whether we overrated him a little in order to fill the Carey void. I don't think so, but I think this year will show that.

 

[Angus1]

Question is, how much time will Dean give him?

I think his spot is very safe and it should be as I think it is just a form slump. But, if Thommo can hold down CHF and pressure from the two comes from the likes of Hamish and Drew is still performing the way he is then that may change.

I sort of have a question in the back of my mind of whether we overrated him a little in order to fill the Carey void. I don't think so, but I think this year will show that.

I don't think the Carey thing has anything to do with it at all it's just something posters say when they try and defend him. I think what happened to Petrie was he had such a great 2003. Naturally we thought wow this guy can play. So now when he isn't playing anywhere near as good we are wondering why not and what can be done. Lets face it if he didn't have the great 2003 we wouldn't be having this discussion and Drew wouldn't be playing CHF.
I like your idea with Thommo Arnie although JYD has said that Thommo will play a lot in the ruck. Interesting to see just what JYD does with Thommo this year. Petrie may play a big part in that question too.
Not sure how long the decoy thing (Petrie) will last though. Players like Cornes, Harly and Lepitch wont fall for it i wouldn't think and could end up with an easy game. I'd rather see Drew at least make a contest of it and give our small guys a chance if he doesn't take the grab.
Also agree with you Arnie on what you said about CHFs needing to be great marks. I thought that was pretty obvious but anyway I guess it's worth reminding some.

 

[Darky]

For goodness sake, what makes you such a bloody expert?

He does this, he does that, good forwards this, defence reads that, he is out thinked this, he can't think that........i mean such a load of crud!!!!!

If you put your money where your mouth is, it would be a case of move over Jock McHale. You'd have coached 10 premierships by now.

His opinion holds no more, but definitely NO LESS value than yours. Do you actually have opinions, or just replies without substance?

You're like John Thwaites to Moti's Jeff Kennett : "I don't have an opinion, all I know is that yours is wrong".

 

[Woodson]

Not sure how long the decoy thing (Petrie) will last though. Players like Cornes, Harly and Lepitch wont fall for it i wouldn't think and could end up with an easy game. I'd rather see Drew at least make a contest of it and give our small guys a chance if he doesn't take the grab.

JYD has more options with Petrie in the team than not. IMHO. He needs help from his teammates to make his touches favour us. The decoy thing can work as a PLUS as you pointed out about experienced players not falling for getting dragged out of the fwd zone. Petrie has the ability to run and make his own space and that will give us a link loose player midfield and as long as our running midfield are streaming past, the running space at CHF needs to be vacated for either BIG forward leads or running shots at goal at 45m out.. the key is our running players feeding from Petrie.