Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth? Part 2

[Dewyyyyy]

"Youth" team, with a youth being someone who turned 23 this season or younger:

Weddle - Full Back - Michalanney
Sheezel - Comben - D'Ambrosio

Ruckman - Day - Newcombe
Soligo - Wardlaw - McKercher

MacDonald - Dear - Powell
Ginnivan - Tilthorpe - Rachele

Bench from:
Mackenzie
Mitchell
Ford
Curtis
Watson
Nankervis
Duursma
Curtin
Cook
Berry
Ward

Only Blanck and N. Murray just miss out by a few months.

Edit: forgot Weddle

Mitchell - Comben - Michalanney
Sheezel - Weddle - D’Ambrosio
Ramsden - Day - Newcombe
Soligo - Wardlaw - McKercher
MacDonald - Dear - Curtis
Ginnivan - Thilthorpe - Rachele

HAW - 9
NOR - 5
ADE - 4

Bench from:
Powell
Mackenzie
Watson
Curtis
Nankervis
Ford
Ward
Cook
Berry
Duursma

Etc

 

[the big lebowski]

Soligo for Powell why?

Soligo is an inside mid that wouldn’t make the team in that position.

Powell has outside class that would.

They go at the same amount of inside 50’s but Powell is more than double the goal assists.

Tom Powell and Jake Soligo AFL Stats Comparison

Tom Powell and Jake Soligo AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Soligo is an inside mid that wouldn’t make the team in that position.

Powell has outside class that would.

They go at the same amount of inside 50’s but Powell is more than double the goal assists.

Tom Powell and Jake Soligo AFL Stats Comparison

Tom Powell and Jake Soligo AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Fair enough, think I prefer Soligo but that’s mainly due to his month patch during the middle of the year when he first went into the middle, was extremely impressive.

 

[5minutes_of_Dew]

This year. North will flog Hawks in my opinion, as the Hawks have a crap list.

Bloody hell, how well did this age

 

[Engimal v3]

North Melbourne

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

"Youth" team, with a youth being someone who turned 23 this season or younger:

Weddle - Full Back - Michalanney
Sheezel - Comben - D'Ambrosio

Ruckman - Day - Newcombe
Soligo - Wardlaw - McKercher

MacDonald - Dear - Powell
Ginnivan - Tilthorpe - Rachele

Bench from:
Mackenzie
Mitchell
Ford
Curtis
Watson
Nankervis
Duursma
Curtin
Cook
Berry
Ward

Only Blanck and N. Murray just miss out by a few months.

Edit: forgot Weddle

Josh Worrell can fill the missing key defender role. Easily in a combined best side.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Josh Worrell can fill the missing key defender role. Easily in a combined best side.

He's been good this year, I forgot him and Weddle earlier.

 

[Sphynx]

Mitchell - Comben - Michalanney
Sheezel - Weddle - D’Ambrosio
Ramsden - Day - Newcombe
Soligo - Wardlaw - McKercher
MacDonald - Dear - Curtis
Ginnivan - Thilthorpe - Rachele

HAW - 9
NOR - 5
ADE - 4

Bench from:
Powell
Mackenzie
Watson
Curtis
Nankervis
Ford
Ward
Cook
Berry
Duursma

Etc

Day to the HBF and Sheezel into the middle and it's pretty close.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Day to the HBF and Sheezel into the middle and it's pretty close.

Dont know exactly

But how many games has Sheezel played as a genuine mid?

Day has been one for 2 seasons now

Taking Day as a mid over Sheezel (as a mid based on exposed form)

 

[Sphynx]

Dont know exactly

But how many games has Sheezel played as a genuine mid?

Day has been one for 2 seasons now

Taking Day as a mid over Sheezel (as a mid based on exposed form)

About 8 or 9.

Doesn't really matter, they are on completely different levels.

Sheezel is one of the best 10 players in the comp at the moment in the role, he goes wherever he wants in this side. You certainly wouldn't be putting him at half back.

Even averages more total clearances than Day at the moment despite seeing 5 less center bounces per game on average and spending a 50/50 split MID/FWD.

Sheezel wins more center clearances per CBA than Newcombe as well

It's not even a physical thing either. Sheezel has more pressure acts and more tackles per game than Newcombe around the ball also.

If Rankine qualified, he'd be in there too.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

About 8 or 9.

Doesn't really matter, they are on completely different levels.

Sheezel is one of the best 10 players in the comp at the moment in the role, he goes wherever he wants in this side. You certainly wouldn't be putting him at half back.

Even averages more clearances than Day at the moment despite seeing 5 less center bounces per game on average and spending a 50/50 split MID/FWD.

Based on what metric?
(not trying to argue, just discussing)

Day averages more clearances (Day - 34 / Sheezel 36 Total / 3.7* - Day 2.4 Sheezel) Day has more center clearances with less games and there is a 2 clearance different (with a 6 game shortfall to day)

Taking Day as a mid

 

[HeHateMe]

Yeah right now Day is a better mid no question, surprised this is even a discussion. That's not even a knock to Sheezel either.

 

[Sphynx]

Based on what metric?
(not trying to argue, just discussing)

Day averages more clearances (Day - 34 / Sheezel 36 Total / 3.7* - Day 2.4 Sheezel) Day has more center clearances with less games and there is a 2 clearance different (with a 6 game shortfall to day)

Taking Day as a mid

You are using incorrect data, as half of that is Sheezel as a back pocket.

This is their like for like stats as midfielders and Sheezel plays as a MID/FWD unlike the other two.

Sheezel's a better contested ball winner and there's really no comparison of their damage forward of center.

Player

Team

Age_Decimal

RatingPoints_Avg

Kicks

Handballs

Disposals

Inside50s

Rebound50s

MetresGained

ContestedPossessions

UncontestedPossessions

ContestedPossessionRate

GroundBallGets

CentreBounceAttendances

CentreBounceAttendancePercentage

CentreClearances

TotalClearances

Marks

ContestedMarks

Tackles

Goals_Total

Goals_Avg

Behinds

ShotsAtGoal

GoalAssists

ScoreInvolvements

OnePercenters

PressureActs

Harry Sheezel

North Melbourne

20.21​

18.94​

14.6​

10.8​

25.4​

3.4​

2.8​

390.6​

11.6​

13.4​

46.4​

8.8​

12.6​

45.652​

1.4​

3.8​

4.8​

0.6​

4​

7​

1.4​

0​

1.4​

1.2​

5.4​

2.2​

24​

Jai Newcombe

Hawthorn

23.41​

15.98​

11​

14.2​

25.2​

4.8​

1.6​

360.4​

11.8​

13.8​

46.094​

8.2​

19.2​

73.282​

2​

5.2​

4.4​

0.4​

4.2​

1​

0.2​

0​

0.6​

0.4​

7.8​

1​

22​

Will Day

Hawthorn

23.57​

12.98​

9.4​

14.8​

24.2​

4.4​

1.2​

344.8​

8.8​

15.4​

36.364​

6.6​

17.6​

67.176​

2.2​

3.6​

4.2​

0.2​

5.8​

1​

0.2​

0.6​

1​

0.8​

6.8​

2​

22.2​

Yeah right now Day is a better mid no question, surprised this is even a discussion. That's not even a knock to Sheezel either.

Err No.

Not even close.

Sheezel has been on Daicos and Gulden levels the last few months, let alone Day.

You wouldn't play Gulden on a back flank.....

The below is as a MID/FWD:

 

[BIGHAWK23]

You are using incorrect data, as half of that is Sheezel as a back pocket.

This is their like for like stats as midfielders and Sheezel plays as a MID/FWD unlike the other two.

Player

Team

Age_Decimal

RatingPoints_Avg

Kicks

Handballs

Disposals

Inside50s

Rebound50s

MetresGained

ContestedPossessions

UncontestedPossessions

ContestedPossessionRate

GroundBallGets

CentreBounceAttendances

CentreBounceAttendancePercentage

CentreClearances

TotalClearances

Marks

ContestedMarks

Tackles

Goals_Total

Goals_Avg

Behinds

ShotsAtGoal

GoalAssists

ScoreInvolvements

OnePercenters

PressureActs

Harry Sheezel

North Melbourne

20.21​

18.94​

14.6​

10.8​

25.4​

3.4​

2.8​

390.6​

11.6​

13.4​

46.4​

8.8​

12.6​

45.652​

1.4​

3.8​

4.8​

0.6​

4​

7​

1.4​

0​

1.4​

1.2​

5.4​

2.2​

24​

Jai Newcombe

Hawthorn

23.41​

15.98​

11​

14.2​

25.2​

4.8​

1.6​

360.4​

11.8​

13.8​

46.094​

8.2​

19.2​

73.282​

2​

5.2​

4.4​

0.4​

4.2​

1​

0.2​

0​

0.6​

0.4​

7.8​

1​

22​

Will Day

Hawthorn

23.57​

12.98​

9.4​

14.8​

24.2​

4.4​

1.2​

344.8​

8.8​

15.4​

36.364​

6.6​

17.6​

67.176​

2.2​

3.6​

4.2​

0.2​

5.8​

1​

0.2​

0.6​

1​

0.8​

6.8​

2​

22.2​

Err No.

Not even close.

Sheezel has been on Daicos and Gulden levels the last few months, let alone Day.

You wouldn't play Gulden on a back flank.....

Because Gulden is a winger

Please advise of the metric distinguishing the point when Sheezel switched to a pure midfielder

 

[Sphynx]

Because Gulden is a winger

Please advise of the metric distinguishing the point when Sheezel switched to a pure midfielder

So why would you play someone that averages almost 4 clearances a game, has a 40%+ contested possession ratio from only 40%'s CBA and kicks 1.4 goals per game and 1.2 goal assists per game as a half back?

He's moved up the ground, is getting less possessions but is putting out some of the most damaging stats in the league at the moment.

You need to keep up, Sheezel is a MID/FWD now and will remain so for the rest of his career.

He will make the AA squad as a forward at this rate.

He already met the 400 minutes spent as a forward requirement in the first half of the year according to CD to meet the AA selection guidelines as a forward, it's obviously going to be much higher in the second half of the year, as for a big chunk of the first half of the year he played deep in defence.

 

[HeHateMe]

Bloody hell this is like a Tarryn Thomas

26

Tarryn Thomas

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

stuff from a few years back where he was apparently destined to be the best player in the game. Sheezels a star, I don't want to be on the other side of an argument against him. But cool it a little, in the AA thread he is the best HF in the comp, in this one he is the best mid..... SMH.

Because Sheezels a star and the spread of talent is thin at north it's an absolute win condition to have the ball in his hands. So bringing up stats for a 6/5/4 week period isnt going to sway anyones opinions bub.

 

[Sphynx]

Bloody hell this is like a Tarryn Thomas stuff from a few years back where he was apparently destined to be the best player in the game. Sheezels a star, I don't want to be on the other side of an argument against him. But cool it a little, in the AA thread he is the best HF in the comp, in this one he is the best mid..... SMH.

Because Sheezels a star and the spread of talent is thin at north it's an absolute win condition to have the ball in his hands. So bringing up stats for a 6/5/4 week period isnt going to sway anyones opinions bub.

Ahh yes, just like Tarryn Thomas


I actually think it's more like the Mitch Lewis situation where we were told Nick Larkey was no good for years because he was in a shit side, only kicked goals and little else he didn't average the goals per game that Mitch did.

Do i really need to post the dozens and dozens of posts of Hawthorn supporters hanging shit on North supporters for comparing Charlie Comben to Emerson Jeka and Mitch Lewis? Aged very well those ones.


Remember when we were hearing how much better Ned Reeves was than Tristan Xerri?

Been as many howlers the other way if anything.


I think North supporters have been pretty civil in here given the ammunition over the years at play.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Ahh yes, just like Tarryn Thomas


I actually think it's more like the Mitch Lewis situation where we were told Nick Larkey was no good for years because he was in a shit side, only kicked goals and little else he didn't average the goals per game that Mitch did.

Do i really need to post the dozens and dozens of posts of Hawthorn supporters hanging shit on North supporters for comparing Charlie Comben to Emerson Jeka and Mitch Lewis? Aged very well those ones.


Remember when we were hearing how much better Ned Reeves was than Tristan Xerri?

Been as many howlers the other way if anything.


I think North supporters have been pretty civil in here given the ammunition over the years at play.

You think wrong

Both sides haven't been civil

 

[Disco Dew]

You think wrong

Both sides haven't been civil

And we wouldn’t have it any other way

 

[the big lebowski]

No one here knew Thomas had mental issues.

He showed last year how good he was.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Day to the HBF and Sheezel into the middle and it's pretty close.

Sheezel is more likely to play half back than Day is

Day hasn’t played half back for a while now and is majority midfield and floating forward.

In this side you likely drop one of the half forwards (Curtis) for Sheezel, who rotates inside. Curtis goes to the bench and Worrell goes to defense.

 

[Engimal v3]

W.Day's spread of possessions over 2024 (left = backline, right = forwardline):
View attachment WDay.webm


H.Sheezel's spread of possessions over 2024 (left = backline, right = forwardline):
View attachment HSHeezel.webm

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I actually think it's more like the Mitch Lewis situation where we were told Nick Larkey was no good for years because he was in a shit side, only kicked goals and little else he didn't average the goals per game that Mitch did.

Things that never happened. Episode 10.

Do i really need to post the dozens and dozens of posts of Hawthorn supporters hanging shit on North supporters for comparing Charlie Comben to Emerson Jeka and Mitch Lewis? Aged very well those ones.

And episode 11.

No Hawthorn supporters were hanging shit on Comben in any sort of Comparison with Jeka or Lewis.

The truth is actually that if anything Hawthorn posters were telling that psicosis that Comben had achieved nothing more than Jeka.

Remember when we were hearing how much better Ned Reeves was than Tristan Xerri?

He simply was. Hawthorn was 3rd in the comp for hitout wins in 2023 when Reeves was our number 1 ruck.

The ruck rule change and all that has happened in 2024 doesn’t change what was quite clear in 2023.

 

[Sphynx]

Things that never happened. Episode 10.




And episode 11.

No Hawthorn supporters were hanging shit on Comben in any sort of Comparison with Jeka or Lewis.

The truth is actually that if anything Hawthorn posters were telling that psicosis that Comben had achieved nothing more than Jeka.



He simply was. Hawthorn was 3rd in the comp for hitout wins in 2023 when Reeves was our number 1 ruck.

The ruck rule change and all that has happened in 2024 doesn’t change what was quite clear in 2023.

Oh damn.

You should of had your medicine.

Remember those posts of Psicosis that left Lewis out of a list that you cross posted to every North thread on the main board hanging shit on him and kept coming back to over and over again for almost year? Hilarious wasn't it?

Hilarious thing was he ended up way closer to the mark than you

Thilthorpe, McKay, Larkey, Comben probably all will have better careers than Lewis in all liklihood. In fact his biggest miss of all things on that list was how much he overrated DGB.

There is a search function mate. You are the king of gaslighting.

i can't quote them as the threads locked, but lots of love for the search function. Enjoy. That took me all of 5 seconds and I can go deeper if you want?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Oh damn.

You should of had your medicine.

Remember those posts of Psicosis that left Lewis out of a list that you cross posted to every North thread on the main board hanging shit on him and kept coming back to over and over again for almost year? Hilarious wasn't it?

Hilarious thing was he ended up way closer to the mark than you

Thilthorpe, McKay, Larkey, Comben probably all will have better careers than Lewis in all liklihood. In fact his biggest miss of all things on that list was how much he overrated DGB.

There is a search function mate. You are the king of gaslighting.

i can't quote them as the threads locked, but lots of love for the search function. Enjoy. That took me all of 5 seconds and I can go deeper if you want?


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Comben is literally a failed forward gone back. No one was wrong.

He has shown good ability to intercept and athletic. Will carve a pretty good career at CHB.

Edit: Edwards being 6th for Psicosis is laughable