Ablett senior by miles. Could play anywhere.
Who is the best player in AFL history for a clone team?
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Yet he never won his team a flag...
So the best player ever played with an average group? Doesn’t change he is the best player.
My own team, Pav AA as FB,CHB and CHF, I think as well as going into the middle when the acid was on.
Left field, Luke McPharlin, HF and HB as well as playing on a wing occasionally.
Left field, Luke McPharlin, HF and HB as well as playing on a wing occasionally.
Gary Ablett Sr easily.
So many mentions of Goodes, but he'd be way too slow to keep up with many great midfielders once the ball hit the deck.
So many mentions of Goodes, but he'd be way too slow to keep up with many great midfielders once the ball hit the deck.
Best Player Ever?
I dont think so..
MAYBE the most exciting...
Wayne Carey, Ron Barassi, Leigh Matthews.. They could be in the GOAT catagory, and they all dragged thier team across the line multiple times for multiple flags.
Ablett was surrounded by all time champs of the game between 89 to 95, and yet failed 5 times to win it....
Spare the hubris mate
Winning a premiership as a player doesn't make you a better footballer, thats american rubbish.
Those guys played in far better teams than Ablett did.
Who care these champions ablett played with?
And to a very large number of people Ablett is the goat with a great deal of daylight between him and whoever might be next.
All time champions?
Hocking & Couch are all time champions who would get a game at any club in virtually any era.
Leigh Matthews would have won zero premierships had he been drafted to Geelong and not the Hawthorn footy club.
Wayne Carey is widely regarded as the GOAT but even he played for a side which contained superior defenders than what Geelong ever did in the 80's to early 90's.
I mean Geelong had Tim Darcy matched up on Jason Dunstall in the 1989 grand final.
In 1992, they had Andrew Rogers assigned to Peter Sumich!
Give Geelong a Mick Martyn or Chris Mew and they win a flag.
Guys like McGrath, Shulze, Rogers, Yeates were always battling against the best.
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Goodes was very quick and not just for a tall. He used to run past our midfielders whenever I seen him live.
Good of him to sprint away from renowned "speedster" Ben Howlett, who was taken #30 in the 2009 rookie draft, after being passed over for being too slow in his draft year.
For those saying Buddy, if it’s gonna be any Hawk - it’s Roughie.
Buddy was superb with the ball in hand, but he’d be useless in the guts. Roughie on the other hand is slightly behind him in terms of run, better on the lead and mark and would easily trounce him if put in the middle.
Plus, Roughie was a pinch ruck to boot.
Buddy was superb with the ball in hand, but he’d be useless in the guts. Roughie on the other hand is slightly behind him in terms of run, better on the lead and mark and would easily trounce him if put in the middle.
Plus, Roughie was a pinch ruck to boot.
Imagine what rough could've achieved if he didn't play stop-gap for half his career.
People forget he was more of a utility, and rarely played a full game in attack
Ok. Let me see. We can take the losing grand final sides, 89-95 as a measure
Decent to top notch players (Accoring to my decrepit memory):
(aa) If the player was All Australian/Team of the year Excluding Gary Ablett of course, who was in all the GF Years..
1989 - Lindner, Hocking, Hocking, Couch(aa), Bruns, Stonham (aa), Yeates, Scotty, Brownless, Bairstow(aa), Bews
1992 - Hinkley(aa), Bairstow(aa).McGrath, Riccardi, Couch, Scott, Stoneham(aa), Barnes, Brownless, Hocking
1994 - Mansfield(aa), S Hocking, Bairstow, McGrath, Riccardi, Couch, Pickering, Barnes, Brownless, G Hocking(aa)
1995 - Mansfield(aa), Ben Graham, Scholl, Colbert, Couch(aa), Pickering, Barnes, Colbert, G Hocking
Some really good names there. At least eqivalent if not shading Carey teammates in the late 90's.
It is a fallacy that Ablett did not have a top team supporting him. Note making 3 Grannies in 4 years is VERY rare..
Granted the Hawk sides Matthews played between 69-84 in were really good, BUT.. We remember them as good because they WON.
If these 4x Geelong sides had actually won a flag or 2, the reputations would be MUCH better.
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Trivia: an anagram for "we love Gary Rohan" is "lovely Ranga whore"
Start calling cop shops and hospitals?What would the coaches do on weeknights when the 22 Ablett Snr clones failed to show up for training?
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