Who takes Malthouse seriously?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

whats this contract thing you speak of? didnt ratten have a contract with carlton? no problem there. is malthouse's loyalty to c7 & latrobe greater than carlton could muster for a club legend? but saying that, l would probably be carlton for $3 million and 3 years of my retirement.

When I was reading it, I had a whiny petulant voice narrating in my head. Is that how you meant to come across?

Aside from the fact I think Ratten was treated harshly, the difference would be that Ratten as the person whose contract was not honoured received a payout. Perhaps Malthouse doesn't want to have to compensate 3 parties he is contracted to for breaching the contracts as he is an individual not a whole club. Putting off joining for a month in the offseason is not the same as seeing out a contract for a year in season, when you have decided to go another way.

 

[Blues_Man]

Yep, I think they are the thoughts of many footy supporters. I get so annoyed when football treats it's supporters in that fashion. Some people, especially Mick Malthouse, needs to understand that without the public he regards as idiots, he'd be nothing. Nobody takes Mick as seriously as Mick does.

The arrogance of Malthouse and the attitude of Carlton supporters on this thread is so "Carlton" in every way. They all deserve one another.

He's got a long way to go before he gets near kennett...he provided a laugh a minute everytime he opened his mouth . also hows the angry little coach going ...still punching walls and abusing officials at under 9 matches ?

 

[Big Red is back]

Maybe if people stopped asking questions he clearly can't answer, you wouldn't have to accuse him of lying.

Three time premiership coach, one of the longest serving in history.

I don't like him, but I bloody well respect him.

Well said.

These threads taking pot shots and Mick are just silly.

We all agree he is a meglamanic and that is exactly what we need.

 

[black_spankie]

When I was reading it, I had a whiny petulant voice narrating in my head. Is that how you meant to come across?

When l was reading your reply l had a vision of a 50-60ish man behind a computer punching the air with glee at his electrifying keyboard skills....

 

[CF]

I agree with everyone that no one doubts that his record shows he can coach (or he has been a good coach in the past anyway).

My impression of him as a person though is that he is the type of man who probably has stepped on a more than a few toes to get to where he is. He is like that because he is competitive and wants to be the best. The offshoot of that is that he has made enemies of some people in the industry.

I think he would be hell to work under as a boss as he strikes me as a total control freak. He has lied to the media no doubt, but they all tell lies to the media so he is just playing the game. He has a big ego for sure that's why he is head coach of an AFL football club. You have to be very sure of yourself in that environment.

In the past we have seen how most of his players revere him and play for him. I am sure that wont be any different at Carlton.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

For mine, it's not about his ability, it's about his motive.

Why isn't he down there getting his hands dirty already? If he missed it so much, he'd be rolling up his sleeves by now surely?

This was an 'I'm done Ed, when I'm done' move on Micks behalf, and Carlton fans will have to hope this fuels him sufficiently rather than believing him he has pure and deep seeded desires to coach again.

Why does he have to be at the club now for particularly when most of the players are having a break and wont be due back at the club for around another months time. You would be sure that he is already planning for next year whilst he is at home at the moment but he really doesnt need to be at the club doing anything just yet

 

[Anja_Nees]

The reality is that he can coach and he'll probably do well at Carlton but I don't take him as seriously anymore. I respect the way Leigh Matthews left coaching and it's in stark contrast to Malthouse who signed a deal with Collingwood, no doubt to buy enough time to have another crack at the flag, sulked when the other parties wouldn't reneg, arguably derailed his own club's season in 2011 and, after expressly stating he wouldn't dance on another coach's grave, shot said coach and led a marching band with elephants over said grave.

No doubt he can coach and he wouldn't care in the slightest about my (or any other) opinion, but he's had several decades in a job most only survive 3-4 years in and doesn't seem the least bit grateful for the blessed run he's had. I also thought he was excellent in an otherwise awful channel seven commentary lineup (Matthews aside) and should have stuck with it.

 

[TheCryingGame]

Maybe if people stopped asking questions he clearly can't answer, you wouldn't have to accuse him of lying.

Three time premiership coach, one of the longest serving in history.

I don't like him, but I bloody well respect him.

Why do you respect him? Because he's a long serving AFL coach? I think coaches of any professional sport get so caught up in their own bubble and media-hype they get a massively over-inflated sense of self-worth. I'd respect him if he had an ounce of humility and recognise the luck he's had to be in the position he's currently in....the integrity to recognise that he has a history of bald-faced lying and that coaching is purely a self-serving exercise for him. He pretty much gave himself all the credit for Collingwood's premiership and then completely disassociated himself from the following years loss. Selfish, arrogant, narcissist.

The guy is so far removed from reality he should now on the same level as Sheedy, who whilst senile isn't a complete pr!ck at least. There aren't too many current AFL coaches that deserve much respect unfortunately, and that includes our previous one Ross Lyon, at least he seems to have made it clear he's in it for himself. Collingwood are better off without Malthouse and Carlton will be worse off with him.

 

[Jade]

Why do you respect him? Because he's a long serving AFL coach?

In an industry where coaches are thrown out so frequently, the fact he's lasted nearly thirty years and has jagged three flags says yes, I respect him for it.

I think coaches of any professional sport get so caught up in their own bubble and media-hype they get a massively over-inflated sense of self-worth. I'd respect him if he had an ounce of humility and recognise the luck he's had to be in the position he's currently in....the integrity to recognise that he has a history of bald-faced lying and that coaching is purely a self-serving exercise for him. He pretty much gave himself all the credit for Collingwood's premiership and then completely disassociated himself from the following years loss. Selfish, arrogant, narcissist.

I don't dispute that he is somewhat of a giant ass; but then again, I did say I don't like him.

Has he taken all the credit for Collingwoods flag? Maybe, don't really know. What I do know though, is that the Pies have a flag. And that narcissistic, arrogant, selfish man is a big part of that. Kind of a small price to pay for the ultimate glory hey?

The guy is so far removed from reality he should now on the same level as Sheedy, who whilst senile isn't a complete pr!ck at least. There aren't too many current AFL coaches that deserve much respect unfortunately, and that includes our previous one Ross Lyon, at least he seems to have made it clear he's in it for himself. Collingwood are better off without Malthouse and Carlton will be worse off with him.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't (both Collingwood AND Carlton).

And the zen master says, we'll see....

 

[Borussia Teeth]

As a successful AFL coach I take Malthouse very seriously. His longevity and results justify it.

As a media performer, both as a coach at press conferences and in his media role on TV/radio, I don't take him seriously at all. Very good at talking a lot and saying very little.

 

[the_interloper]

As a successful AFL coach I take Malthouse very seriously. His longevity and results justify it.

As a media performer, both as a coach at press conferences and in his media role on TV/radio, I don't take him seriously at all. Very good at talking a lot and saying very little.

He's always on the defensive when answering questions, like journos aren't worthy to even ask him questions. Hard to believe any club lets their coach get away with that crap, can't see Sticks having the cods to try and rein him in a bit.

 

[RuFiO]

Robert Walls.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Ratten always spoke to the media with integrity, they twisted his words around and did their best to hang him with them.
If Malthouse feeds them utter bullshit then he's just cutting out the middle man, good on him

 

[Borussia Teeth]

He's always on the defensive when answering questions, like journos aren't worthy to even ask him questions. Hard to believe any club lets their coach get away with that crap, can't see Sticks having the cods to try and rein him in a bit.

I actually don't mind Malthouse's attitude towards the media, it humours me. He treats journalists with contempt as if they are beneath him (which they probably are, but still...) and has been doing so since his West Coast days at least. I don't think he has much patience for stupid questions and while being verbose, gives away very little.
That's what I'm getting at about not taking him seriously with regards his media work. Nobody at Carlton is going to change Malthouse's attitude there.

 

[Sttew]

After the Milne episode and the denials about the sacked support staff at Carlton does Mick Malthouse have any integrity left?

Like others involved in football, Malthouse is simply not a good liar.

 

[gbatman]

Mick has very little respect for the media. He's glad to send shovel loads of shit their way. If they chose to let that filter to the general public so be it. It's his way of saying stay out of my business.

 

[topher_gtr]

Three words come to mind. Pompous old fool.

 

[Silvagnis]

He's always on the defensive when answering questions, like journos aren't worthy to even ask him questions. Hard to believe any club lets their coach get away with that crap, can't see Sticks having the cods to try and rein him in a bit.

Doubt that Eddie would have had any success in reining Mick in.

Swann is the boss.

It's a step up from Ratten who has gone back to his old mumbling and bumbling ways after his dignified exit speech. Ratts isn't stupid, yet he isn't as bright and as cluey as Andy McKay. Ratts doesn't handle the media and leeches as well as Mick. I couldn't believe Ratts' statement that we became the best kicking side in the AFL after he took over.

And said media deserve nothing. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Malthouse is less of a concern for the Carlton haters and Carlton supporters than Elliott.

 

[mysainters]

Mick has very little respect for the media. He's glad to send shovel loads of shit their way. If they chose to let that filter to the general public so be it. It's his way of saying stay out of my business.

....and I guess he can expect it in return should he not enjoy the success the club is anticipating.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

When l was reading your reply l had a vision of a 50-60ish man behind a computer punching the air with glee at his electrifying keyboard skills....

Man, you have me pegged. I've punched the air 41000 times over 12 years and stuffed my rotator cuffs. It could be worse, I could sit around expressing fake outrage about an issue I logically shouldn't care about.

 

[Big Red is back]

For mine, it's not about his ability, it's about his motive.

Why isn't he down there getting his hands dirty already? If he missed it so much, he'd be rolling up his sleeves by now surely?

This was an 'I'm done Ed, when I'm done' move on Micks behalf, and Carlton fans will have to hope this fuels him sufficiently rather than believing him he has pure and deep seeded desires to coach again.

His motivation is of little concern revenge is a powerful emotion so if that is the case fine by me.

 

[le dominateur]

How bitter and arrogant are some of these Hawkthorn supporters? Raging premiership favourites but MM has got their knickers all twisted. If they slip up in the next couple of weeks the fallout on BF would be one for the ages.

 

[September Action]

Good thread this. Biased and unbiased supporters coming up with opinions on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I didn't like him at Collingwood and I like him less now. Its the puffed up self importance. That said, he can obviously coach and I loved the ride he gave us. Carlton have done well to get him. Ultimately, the results will dictate how this move is remembered. People have already forgotten who it was that coached Freo last year...

 

[CF]

Mick has very little respect for the media. He's glad to send shovel loads of shit their way. If they chose to let that filter to the general public so be it. It's his way of saying stay out of my business.

He has respect for them when it suits him and as an AFL Coach there is a responsibility he has for promoting his club. I think it's naive to think he just acts a certain way to keep the media out of his business.

The real story is that when the media ask him certain questions that make him be accountable for some of his arrogance or dishonesty he cracks the shits with them. I am sure he would prefer the media gave him the "respect" he thinks he deserves but that is not their job. I am sure now he coaches your team you'd prefer that too. I suspect if he was with any other club you wouldn't be so supportive of him.

 

[gbatman]

He has respect for them when it suits him and as an AFL Coach there is a responsibility he has for promoting his club. I think it's naive to think he just acts a certain way to keep the media out of his business.

He has respect for them when they ask good questions. He loses respect when some dickhead accuse him of being a liar to his face, comes out spewing the same few questions over and over again and comes with very little to ask him. Pretty hard to respect rude and poor journalism.

All coaches and football clubs as a whole have a right to keep a high level of privacy. Personel chages are something that all football clubs prefer to be 100% internal and that means that you, me and all the journos out there are to know nothing until things are finalised. It would be very bad for internal matters like this to be out in the media, it would have a deteremental effect on how the clubs negotiate trades, contracts and could result in the loss of important people.

If the dickheads as a question and keep asking is and berating him then they deserve having it thrown back in their face. Ask a question, get an answer and move on.