Who would Buckley prefer to coach, North or Richmond?

[Reverend Shinboner]

Here are my thoughts:
http://roobeauty.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/buckleys-chance/

What do you reckon?

 

[Invigoration]

Richmond; undoubtedly.

 

[JeffDunne]

What do you reckon?

You're spamming Bigfooty to get more visits to your site.

 

[AG]

I haven't checked his twitter account yet.

 

[spongebucket]

North of course

 

[Reverend Shinboner]

You're spamming Bigfooty to get more visits to your site.

Yes. And I'm very interested to hear what the peeps on BigFooty think of the question posed.

 

[JeffDunne]

Yes. And I'm very interested to hear what the peeps on BigFooty think of the question posed.

Then post those thoughts here.

 

[kickittobucks]

Collingwood

 

[peejay]

Yes. And I'm very interested to hear what the peeps on BigFooty think of the question posed.

This is a poor arguement.

Stability: North have a clear advantage in this regard given the infamous volatility of the yellow and black army. Brayshaw and Arocca have also brought incredible unity to North in the last 18 months.

Stability is something we cannot be faulted on when compared to North. You are confusing volatility with support.

We are much more stable than North off field and i would argue at least equal on field.

Otherwise your attempt to be reasonably unbiased has almost worked.

And to stop the sneaky way you get people to your site, here is the entire article:

Buckley’s Chance
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North Melbourne Football Club have made clear their intention to, at the very least, have a good look at Nathan Buckley for the vacant coaching role in 2010. Given that Port Adelaide look like re-signing Mark Williams (we’ll know next week regardless), and assuming Mick Malthouse stays on at Collingwood, it is highly likely that Richmond and North will be the only clubs vying for a new coach. So, the question on everyone’s lips is: if both clubs presented Buckley with an offer, which would he choose?

Garry Lyon provided some insight into the criteria he thinks Buckley will use to assess clubs, so I’ve taken the liberty to compare Richmond and North in each area:

Playing list
North Melbourne
Richmond

Players aged 30+
2
6

Aged 25-29
12
8

Aged 21-24
16
17

Under 21
10
9

Game breakers
Harvey, Jesse Smith, Wells, Petrie
Richo, Cousins, Brown, Deledio, Foley

Possible delistings
Watt, Harris, Adams, Greenwood, Riggio, Lower
Johnson (ret.), Bowden,
Brown, McMahon,
Schulz, Pettifer

Rookie promotions
Garlett
Nahas


Both clubs are going through rebuilding phases of sorts. However, Richmond clearly overestimated their potential in 2009, aiming for the finals at the very least. This has left Richmond contemplating another painful rebuilding process.

While North would have hoped to be better placed than 12th (4-8), they enter the season with an open mind, hoping for continued development rather than big results. And injuries have taken a massive toll on North’s game breakers. North have turned over 25 players in the past 3 years, placing them a long way day the development path already.

But the clear gap between the two teams rests with the senior players. To me, North have the runs on the board in this department and Richmond, with the exception of Richo, don’t.

So where does this leave a Buckley? Well, if he’s keen on rebuilding a playing list, Richmond would offer the greater challenge. But if Bucks is more excited by developing existing talent, North are probably the more attractive option.

Verdict: North Melbourne have the edge

Coaching staff
North Melbourne: Darren Crocker, Anthony Rock, Darren Bewick, Danny Daly and John Lamont are the key assistant coaches at Arden St. Crock is clearly highly respected, and you would think that Daly’s role in picking apart much more fancied opponents would stand him in good stead. The rest are potentially expendable, particularly Bewick, given that he’s in charge of North’s dysfunctional forward line.

Richmond: Jade Rawlings, Wayne Campbell, Brian Royal, David King and Craig McRae head up the team at Punt Rd. Campbell is touted as a candidate for 2010 and ‘untouchable’ in the eyes of the Richmond faithful. Rawlings is clearly well-respected. King has already signalled his intention to leave Tigerland at season’s end. The others fly well under the media’s radar.

All in all, both teams have some scope for Bucks to bring in a couple of his own people, while hanging onto well respected clubmen.

Verdict: Line ball.

Football budget
North Melbourne’s football department expenditure for 2008 was $12.5m compared with Richmond’s $13.4m. North expect this to go up to around $13.5m this year, while Richmond expect a jump in their expenditure also. How much of the gap is attributable to the Total Player Payments (TPP) is unclear – North are paying around 93% of the TPP cap, while I expect Richmond are paying closer to 97/8%. With the retirement of Johnson and possible retirement (voluntary or otherwise) of Bowden, Brown and Simmonds, I would expect Richmond’s TPP to drop back in 2010. Conversely, North are anticipating an increase to around 95%.

While Richmond undoubtably hold the edge in terms of resourcing, the gap has closed significantly under the current NMFC administration, publicly committing to back-in the football department with real resources. And as Arocca mentioned recently, “I think that any coach coming to this club would feel that we are doing as much as we can (and) getting more bang for our buck (than other clubs)”.

Verdict: Tigers by a whisker.

Facilities

Both clubs will have state-of-the-art facilities in 2010.

Verdict: Not a factor.

Promotion and marketing
The media seem certain that North want Bucks more for his off-field impact than on-field. This is an insult to Buckley’s coaching stature, even if he is untried at AFL level. And no matter where Buckley goes he will attract huge media attention. That said, North would undoubtedly seek to make more use of Buckley’s profile than Richmond.


Verdict: Richmond.

Stadium deals

Both clubs have poor stadium deals, but North’s is the worst. However, North have made a clear commitment to avoid selling home games interstate. One home game may be sold to Subiaco, but that’s it. Richmond remain unlikely to pursue selling any home games.

Verdict: Richmond

Other factors

Stability: North have a clear advantage in this regard given the infamous volatility of the yellow and black army. Brayshaw and Arocca have also brought incredible unity to North in the last 18 months.
Football culture: North’s football culture over the past 15 years is difficult to fault. Conversely, Richmond’s is suspect at best.
History: Ray Buckley, Buck’s dad, and undoubtedly his biggest footy influence, played SANFL with Malcolm Blight at Woodville. They became great mates. Buck’s has always had a lot of respect for North as a result.
Also, Buck’s reneged on a shifty under-the-table deal to come to North in 1993. He always felt bad about it, even though he could be forgiven for getting caught up in one of the biggest recruiting shit-fights of the last 30 years. Does Buckley feel like he owes North?
Personal connections: Eugene Arocca and Nathan Buckley have a pre-existing relationship from their Collingwood days.
Conclusion
Richmond have Buckley’s chance. I reckon North’s culture would have massive appeal to Buckley and cannot wait for the team to sign him on. Come on Bucks, you know you want to

 

[damochandler]

i still think he will coach collingwood. but if he doesnt coach them he will go to richmond. i dont know why

 

[Hawkk]

Richmond undoubtedly have enormous potential

Who ever does lead them to a premiership would become an icon of their club

 

[Reverend Shinboner]

This is a poor arguement.

It's not an argument. I'm genuinely interested in hearing non-NMFC supporters' thoughts on the question I pose. This is the best way of doing it. Yes, it gets a few people to my site, but that doesn't make any difference to me anyway, coz I don't make a cent from it. And it's not as if it's pr0n, penis enlargement or skimming your ATM card! If you don't want to click through, then don't.

Stability is something we cannot be faulted on when compared to North. You are confusing volatility with support.

We are much more stable than North off field and i would argue at least equal on field.

I disagree with this point. If your supporters are volatile, then your membership is likely to be volatile, resulting in uncertainty at board level. Uncertainty at board level = uncertainty at the administrative level. North's Board were volatile in the lead-up to the GC rejection, but have been incredibly stable since. While Richmond's Board is relatively stable atm, I would suggest that there is a greater chance of unrest within the membership at Punt Rd than at Arden St.

 

[budge11]

Pretty obvious NM supporters will say North and Richmond supporters will say Richmond...

 

[peejay]

Pretty obvious NM supporters will say North and Richmond supporters will say Richmond...

Actually i think he will go to North - i just think that the suggestion that we are less stable than you is not correct.

Anyway that is for another time.

 

[NTRabbit]

Definitely Collingwood

 

[coke_zero]

i only want him to come to our club if he is the best person to be coach. i dont want a second choice.

 

[SMOO]

Richmond. FOr one year. Then he will prob go somewhere else to try to win a flag

 

[Themi#9]

i think he will go to north, and Richmond will get Hardwick! hopefully

 

[Last Line Hero]

Richmond need a Mark Williams type of coach if they are going to have any chance of moving forward some time soon. There is a very real possibility he will be availiable, and the Tigers should throw whatever is neccessary out there to get him. A hardened, blue- collar coach, who not only knows what it means to be successful, but will accept no "shit" from his players or the organisation. Reading between the lines, a fresh start at a Melbourne club is what he wants, and it will only succeed in revitalising his proven ability as a coach.

Don't get duped into a decision Tigers based on what the media says and/or wants you to do, do the smart thing for once, if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Lazyboy]

I don't think he will coach at all, at least not the top spot, will be an assistant at another club, probably somewhere like the bulldogs, essendon, geelong or hawthorn.

if that doesn't pan out he will stay in the media for another year.

 

[Zvim]

Don't know, don't care.

Not 100% convinced he is the right man for the job, he just sounds promising in his knowledge of the game and he is pretty good in front of a camera, which is a stark contrast to our last half dozen coaches.

 

[Bollox]

Are either club chasing Hird or Harvey ?

Both megastars of the game like Buckley...both with similar experience levels at coaching as Buckley...i.e. NONE.

So what it boils down to..and lets be realistic about it...is that somehow a bloke is getting coaching cred and might be offered 800K simply coz he bothered to stick his hand up and say

..."hey look at me ...i'd like to coach"

When he stuck his hand up even the blokes in the commentary booth gave him a leg up..even the network helped him organise some sort of cameo appearance coaching a country game..funnily enough the camera's were rolling and right in the huddle with the starstruck boys and this sudden "wondercoach"

Its like one of those damn reality TV shows...we all know there has been a big bloody contrived setup to push his barrow...he's part of "the club" since he joined the media. Hell some people out there have swallowed it hook line and sinker that he actually could be worth 800Kpa as a head coach ?????????? .

How about the reality that he's actually worth NOTHING right now as a head coach...ZERO...speculation is always good press tho.

Reality is that u may as well be saying Hird/Harvey/Riciutto and any other big names recently retired are just as good a coach right now....the only difference is that Buckley bothered to stick his hand up and his media mates have given him a leg up.

 

[Bollox]

I don't think he will coach at all, at least not the top spot, will be an assistant at another club, probably somewhere like the bulldogs, essendon, geelong or hawthorn.

if that doesn't pan out he will stay in the media for another year.

yepp..thats what i reckon too.

Chances are (with North at least) that they're luvvin it the way it is right now...and knowing that if they simply play their cards right they'll be in the press for ages.

Brayshaw is still desperate for street cred as the wannabe eddie...and Arrocca has gone out of his way to MAKE a bit of turnoil out of nothing over the last year...whilst calling the press in over nothing.

I cannot believe that anyone takes Brayshaw seriously...he's a kid in a candy shop and probably cant believe how well he's doing...and he's been able to get exactly what he wanted through total bullshit and still noone has brought him to task over it.

A nice all encompassing media driven ego will always see any press as good press..for HIM and cant hurt the club.

BUT...the reality is that u dont pay big money for nothing unless you're stupid...especially when u dont have any extra to spend.

They'll push the usual due dilligence line and say "cant rule out anyone"...but they CAN rule out someone right now...coz surely they know that ANY due dilligence means u cannot under any circumstances pay a stupid amount of money u dont have for a nobody coach on a whim.

Buckley CAN go to Richmond but CANT go to North...doubt Richmond would want him either tho.

Was only 4-6yrs ago we were having Gary Lyon pushed as a potential coach...just sticking his toe in the water.

Gary Lyon is just as good a coach as Nathan Buckley...i know this coz noone has a bloody clue even if Buckey can coach in the first place...both have media as their coaching cred.

 

[JeffDunne]

If Buckley was smart he'd spend time as an assistant at one of the cutting edge clubs (in terms of tactics) & wait until Malthouse gets the flick.

 

[Bollox]

North might be much better served taking advantage of the coaching situation to get rid of Brayshaw at the same time.

Afterall all he's done for North is buy himself a flash new home...u'd keep Arrocca though coz he's a good man that runs a tight shipn and genuinely works for the club. A damn good president that isnt just interested in his own image could be helpful tho.