Who's the worst coach of all time?

[Bluelegs]

You've gone from horrible in 2007-2009 to below-average in 2010-2011, then back to horrible in 2012. Enough with the excuses, you've been gifted high draft pick after high draft pick and have no results to show for it. Mediocre football club with a disturbingly high tolerance for failure.

So Neeld is to blame for this? Our list has been running one way for the entirety of Bailey's tenure. Neeld came in and started trying to teach them how to run both ways. But upon his entry the list was unfit and underdeveloped. Not even Mick Malthouse or Mark Thompson could turn this shit to gold within one preseason. Saying Neeld is the worst coach of all time is a ridiculous statement in his first year of coaching. Damien Hardwick had the same kind of year in his first year and now Richmond are beginning to develop their side of the future.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

McCartney, McKenna or Primus entering calculations at all?

Neeld has been worse than these 3 so far

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Neeld has been worse than these 3 so far

Bullshit

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Bullshit

Quite so. And not even very imaginative or clever bullshit.

But that guy's evidently held a grudge of Hindenburg-esque proportions about us Demons for as long as he's been posting around this place. From the moment he first joined BF, when he was shrieking out tanking claims about us, while simultaneously trying to justify the Wallace affair in 2007 as though it was different...

 

[cammo78]

Gary Buckenara shades Peter Rohde and Royce Hart on this one.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Quite so. And not even very imaginative or clever bullshit.

But that guy's evidently held a grudge of Hindenburg-esque proportions about us Demons for as long as he's been posting around this place. From the moment he first joined BF, when he was shrieking out tanking claims about us, while simultaneously trying to justify the Wallace affair in 2007 as though it was different...

I wouldn't expect you to actually address the topic, but if Primus, McKenna and McCartney are being mentioned then Neeld certainly should. Your list improved over the off season and you guys have gone a million miles backwards during the season but I would expect your not capable of seeing anything negative about anyone or anything associated with Melbourne.

 

[STC]

Gary Ayers deserves a mention for inheriting not one but two successful sides and driving them both as far into the ground as he possibly could. Even if he did make a few finals series he also made a series of truly horrendous list and man management decisions that have left some of our most decorated club legends still refusing to be associated with the club.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I wouldn't expect you to actually address the topic, but if Primus, McKenna and McCartney are being mentioned then Neeld certainly should. Your list improved over the off season and you guys have gone a million miles backwards during the season but I would expect your not capable of seeing anything negative about anyone or anything associated with Melbourne.

Jamar and Clark are big losses dont you think for a team without much talent?

All four coaches named are new coaches with shit lists.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Jamar and Clark are big losses dont you think for a team without much talent?

All four coaches named are new coaches with shit lists.

Clark and Jamar were both there for the first 10 games or so when Melbourne were horrendous. I agree with the second comment but out of those 4 coaches Neeld has performed the worst so far IMO. He will be given time however, hopefully he learns from the mistakes he made and turns things around.

Anyway back on topic, this is not another Dees thread.

My nom would be Royce Hart as much as it pains me to say it. Rhode wasn't much better.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

but if Primus, McKenna and McCartney are being mentioned then Neeld certainly should.

It's hilarious that you're seriously blaming Neeld for the fact our fitness levels at the end of last year - before he even became coach - were the worst in the AFL, or for us having the longest injury list in the league.

I think you're just hoping we'll go the kneejerk reaction and sack him so that we end up in an even worse situation than we were in during the last 7 rounds of 2011.

Also ridiculous to make out that somehow we're doing worse than we were in that period - during which we only won against GC - by a narrow margin - while losing by 186 against Geelong, 76 against Carlton, 56 against Hawthorn, and 48 against West Coast, for example.

Equally so to claim our current lineup - with 14 players in our squad out injured - is somehow better than what we had available then. Both these assertions are patently not true.

Jamar and Clark are big losses dont you think for a team without much talent?

And Jurrah, and Watts, Gysberts, Tapscott... 7 of our best 22 out at the very least. Likely more, considering either Bartram or Davey would likely be starters if they weren't out for the season as well. Amongst various others. As if we weren't struggling enough already.

 

[AM]

Percy Jones. No contest.

 

[akneal]

Matthew Knights.

He's already put his hand up to coach again - and everyone, including the supporters of coach-less teams that have once claimed he was a "scapegoat" - have said HELL NO to his services.

Why?

Common sense prevails in the end.

He picked Essendon up when they were on the absolute slide. It was always going to happen no matter who the coach. Have a look at all your under 24 players and the majority of them were brought through by knights

 

[craigvn123]

Bernie Quinlan by a country mile.

Genuinely had no coaching skills or credentials - and no clue at all.

I reliase Fitzroy had no chance but some of the stories coming out after he was let go were tragicomedy at its best.

As a Fitzroy fan I was always disappointed how Bernie was shown the door. He might have been hopeless, but he was doing a job for a broke club that had their papers stamped by the AFL. Club should have shown more respect and let him coach out the year.

 

[bartel magic]

Gary Buckenara shades Peter Rohde and Royce Hart on this one.

Tony Shaw thread

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Clark and Jamar were both there for the first 10 games or so when Melbourne were horrendous. I agree with the second comment but out of those 4 coaches Neeld has performed the worst so far IMO. He will be given time however, hopefully he learns from the mistakes he made and turns things around.

Anyway back on topic, this is not another Dees thread.

My nom would be Royce Hart as much as it pains me to say it. Rhode wasn't much better.

What mistakes exactly? He has tried to change their gameplan and instil some discipline and fitness. That doesnt happen overnight. He had a rocky start. So did Alistair Clarkson. This thread is about the worst coach of all time, not the worst coach of the first 10 rounds of 2012.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

It's hilarious that you're seriously trying to blame Neeld for the fact our fitness levels at the end of last year were the worst in the AFL, or for us having the longest injury list in the league.

I think you're just hoping we'll go the kneejerk reaction and sack him so that we end up in an even worse situation than we found ourselves in during the last 7 rounds of 2011.

And no, it's absurd to claim the lineup we're currently putting out on the field - with 14 players out injured - is somehow better than that which we were able to put out during last year.

It's hilarious that you actually think Neeld has done a good job when it obvious to everyone you have gone backwards. You seriously can't be blaming injuries for the lack of effort we've seen since the start of the year?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You seriously can't be blaming injuries for the lack of effort we've seen since the start of the year?

Melbournes effort is much improved in the last month or so. Richmond could learn something form them

 

[Spanish_Fly]

What mistakes exactly? He has tried to change their gameplan and instil some discipline and fitness. That doesnt happen overnight. He had a rocky start. So did Alistair Clarkson. This thread is about the worst coach of all time, not the worst coach of the first 10 rounds of 2012.

Clarkson and Hardwick for that matter both lost numerous senior players through either trade or retirement and were in a position where they were forced to start again from scratch.

Melbourne has a promising list already( evidenced by the fact the previous coach was sacked with a reasonable win loss record last year) that almost every football observer thought would improve this year. Add in Clarke who was great this year and Magner who was also excellent and you would have expected with the natural improvement of the young players Melbourne would have improved on last year.

I never nominated Neeld as the worst of all time I just said he was worse than McKenna, Primus and McCartney.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Melbournes effort is much improved in the last month or so. Richmond could learn something form them

There is nothing wrong with our effort, composure though is another thing altogether.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

it obvious to everyone you have gone backwards.

How exactly is it "obvious to everyone" that we're somehow performing worse than we were in the last 7 rounds of 2011?

Explain the logic underlying that conclusion. Since you seem so confident about this claim, I imagine it won't be hard for you to prove, surely.

Add in Clark who was great this year and Magner who was also excellent and you would have expected with the natural improvement of the young players Melbourne would have improved on last year.

Be careful to avoid the fact half our squad are out injured, of course. Including Clark. And Magner, who's been out since the Port match.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

How exactly is it "obvious to everyone" that we're somehow performing worse than we were in the last 7 rounds of 2011?

Explain the logic underlying that conclusion. Since you seem so confident about this claim, I imagine it won't be hard for you to prove, surely.



Be careful to avoid the fact half our squad are out injured, of course. Including Clark. And Magner.

I never mentioned anything about the last 7 games, I was talking about the first 17 games. A caretaker coach doesn't have a whole preseason to work with the players and from what I understand the players really like Bailey and would have felt bad about him being sacked this would not have helped their performance. Your the only one that mentions the last 7 games as it makes you feel better about your poor performance this year.

I understand half your squad is currently out injured but they weren't from the start of the year are you able to grasp that concept.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

from what I understand the players really like Bailey and would have felt bad about him being sacked this would not have helped their performance.

It didn't seem to help their performance when they lost by 56 to Hawthorn with Bailey as coach. And lost by 186 the next weekend, with Bailey as coach.

Aside from the fact we had Jurrah and Sylvia, for instance, out from the start of the year, amongst others. And our dire fitness levels, which were the biggest part of the reason why the team blew up as it did by the end of July last year.

The signs of that already being obvious in the fact our average losing margin was over 40 points/game, even before the end of July. With Bailey as coach.

 

[Gibbke]

Robbie Flower was pretty scathing on the guy that coached Melbourne for one season in 1978, Dennis Jones. The easiest year they ever had on the training track, a listless season...and a spoon...

 

[final fight]

Terry Wallace is an unfair call. Great coach at the bulldogs. No one can turn Richmond round. His big mistake was obviously the draft but a great coach and probably should still be coaching.

 

[dan warna]

Tim Watson took a grand final team and turned it in wooden spooners in 1 1/2 seasons.

Thought tony delany was a better midfielder than Robert Harvey, thought Monkhorst was still a great ruckman (he WAS great and a good person too, but he was finished when he came to st kilda), thought tony francis was STILL awesome (traumatised still by the 1990 GF....in 2000?) Thought Barry Hall should play as FB etc etc.

St kilda took about 2 or 3 seasons to recover from his madness.

Coaching was crap, player management was crap and drafting was crap.

Its not even like Blight, who had a shocking run with injuries and frankly was pretty much not in the right mindspace at the time Timmy had pretty much a full list to play with.