Why are we so quick to dismiss Tim Clarke?

[noosa hawk mad]

Bingo....

This was mentioned recently in a training report (by Rusty I think). If you are one of the up and coming youngsters, you have to at least be able to match Tim Clarke on the training track to become a regular member of the side. By having dedicate clubmen like him it elevates the standard of the others. Fantastic asset to have at the club.

Not in the leadership group for nothing what has impressed me most is he knows his limitations & will find a better option his disposal has improved & he Carry's the boys on the track rarely beaten at training inspires those around him when training total team man. Every training report i read & i dont miss any he's the stand out on the track

 

[Hawkamania!]

Clarke is in our best 22. He is one of our best trainers, he is in our leadership group, he is a handy tagger and he does a lot of the 1%ers that stat sheets do not record but coaches love.

 

[cs61]

At the end of the day, currently he is an asset to our squad, not a liability. He has his limitations, and isn't the most talented of players, but is an important part of our club in terms of leadership and the role he plays when required.

If our best 22 where all fit, and some youngsters started hitting form at once, of course there is the chance Clarke is no longer in the side, he's never been a top 10 player. But he's still important to our squad, and he's a good guy to have on the list, and will play a fair bit of football this year.

 

[B&YBlood]

Re: why are we so quick to dismiss clarke??

I am just wondering if you are blind or don't understand football trying to figure this out from what you just said. I don't think he is a superstar or he turns a game like franklin but you cant win without a guy like clarke in your side. every great side has a player like clarke in it. Obviously you don't know but in 2006 clarke was our leading goal assist player and was leading last year until he went down injured (I think), so he is more than a run with player so please if you dont no what you are talking about than dont comment!!

And in 2006 we sucked and that's a fact. Last year he wasn't in the side after his injury and he wasn't missed and we won. In my comment did i ever attack what you said? NO, so don't attack me and have a cry because I don't think he is a good player. Just because I think he is a shit truck doesn't make it so, it's just an opinion, and you have no right to tell me not to make a comment. And I'm sorry to tell you mate we won plenty last year without him, so maybe you should start watching football before taking uninformed stabs at people.

 

[Scribe]

Fortunately B&Y and his Clarke bagging mates are neither on our coaching staff or in the player leadership group - voted by the 44 players on our list and including in it one Timothy Clarke.

The guy is the best endurance runner in a team whose game plan clicks when they outrun the opposition. You must have your Mitchells, Sewells, Hodges and Lewises who win the contested footy just as much as you need your Batemans (another with great running ability and very dicey footskills), Crawfords, Ladsons, etc.

For mine, he's in the best 22 until there are several players who can do what he does (bust his arse to shut down players and run them off their legs to create) and also possess a greater ability to use the ball.

All you people who think he's ordinary are being made to look like fools by Alastair Clarkson, Todd Viney, Ross Smith and Damian Hardwick.

I know whose opinion I'd favour.

 

[Coathanger]

How well did we go last year without him?

Exactly the point!

 

[mick]

How well did we go last year without him?

Exactly the point!

What is your point?, We got belted in a final because too many players didn't committ fully to the contest and went the man not the ball, we also struggled to run the game out. Tim might have been handy.

 

[Scribe]

How well did we go last year without him?

Exactly the point!

Are you suggesting Buddy Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Grant Birchall, Stephen Gilham, Ben McGlynn, etc. and all those other players who made great strides in 2007 did so because Tim tore his achilles in round 3?

What a pathetic non-existent argument, with absolutely no logic.

Perhaps we will go even better this year with both Clarke and Williams back in the side - ever think of that?

 

[Beckers]

I hear he is a great trainer and inspires the others on the track which is a bonus and there is also no doubt that he is a great clubman and nice guy.
But i watched the replay of Saturday nights game again last night and can't really see what Clark brings to the team besides making space.
He is really lightweight and has terrible foot skills which is ok if we are going forward but he concerns me if we are defending.

 

[Hawk-in-syd]

I think many are quick to dismiss Clarke because his weaknesses are obvious to all supporters while his strengths are less so.

His weaknesses being in no particular order:
-no penetration in his kicking
-not great hands
-rarely wins in marking contest (undersized)
-poor tackler (undersized)
-below average acceleration/pace for a little guy

His strengths:
-endurance (hard to tell unless your looking at his GPS data)
-leadership (don't see or hear it unless your out there)
-training (don't see it unless you go to training)

The club sees and acknowledges his strengths and thats why he gets a game. Most of the youngsters have more ability but until they start displaying it regularly game day he will get a game. He will be fighting for a spot with the likes of ellis, tuck, muston, mcgylnn, ladson and ossie.

End of the day until the kids have overtaken Timmy we won't be in premiership contention. Could anyone here seriously suggest Timmy would have got a game for the cats07, wce06, syd05 or bris.

 

[hawks a plenty]

Re: why are we so quick to dismiss clarke??

And in 2006 we sucked and that's a fact. Last year he wasn't in the side after his injury and he wasn't missed and we won. In my comment did i ever attack what you said? NO, so don't attack me and have a cry because I don't think he is a good player. Just because I think he is a shit truck doesn't make it so, it's just an opinion, and you have no right to tell me not to make a comment. And I'm sorry to tell you mate we won plenty last year without him, so maybe you should start watching football before taking uninformed stabs at people.

Lets see you did just attack me.You have to have a valid point to bag a player. at the end of your statement you where talking about the team not individual player. Yes 2006 was a crap year but he out preformed a lot of players that are still in our team so theres no reason why you would make an idiotic statement about that and i think we are wanting a premiership not just to win a couple more games so don't get too excited, we perhaps would have won more games with him in the team and closer too our goal a premiership.

i am sick of supporters bagging the crap out of players that are still okay people like that are not real supporters yes you may say they are not good enough but to say "shittruck" get a life honestly.

 

[Cynic]

Because every person hears knows better than Clarkson and the rest of the coaching panel obviously.

 

[B&YBlood]

Re: why are we so quick to dismiss clarke??

Lets see you did just attack me.You have to have a valid point to bag a player. at the end of your statement you where talking about the team not individual player. Yes 2006 was a crap year but he out preformed a lot of players that are still in our team so theres no reason why you would make an idiotic statement about that and i think we are wanting a premiership not just to win a couple more games so don't get too excited, we perhaps would have won more games with him in the team and closer too our goal a premiership.

i am sick of supporters bagging the crap out of players that are still okay people like that are not real supporters yes you may say they are not good enough but to say "shittruck" get a life honestly.

FFS dude, get over it, like i said just becuase i don't think he is good enough doesn't mean that he isn't. Mate I'm allowed to have an opinion, I'd be absolutely devastated if every single Hawks supporter felt the same way as I do, I enjoy reading and hearing other people's point of view, but it's just been done to death on Tim Clarke, and in my opinion he isn't worth all the discussion. I... being ME, not speaking for anybody else, think his disadvantages as a player outway his advantages, dude that's my opinion, and i'll say what ever I like about any player, because I have freedom of speech, if you can't handle that simply don't reply to my post.

 

[hawks a plenty]

You do have a right to an opinion just like i have a rite to reply to any post. I was more having ago at you calling him a shittruck in the last post than anything else.

 

[Beckers]

Re: why are we so quick to dismiss clarke??

FFS dude, get over it, like i said just becuase i don't think he is good enough doesn't mean that he isn't. Mate I'm allowed to have an opinion, I'd be absolutely devastated if every single Hawks supporter felt the same way as I do, I enjoy reading and hearing other people's point of view, but it's just been done to death on Tim Clarke, and in my opinion he isn't worth all the discussion. I... being ME, not speaking for anybody else, think his disadvantages as a player outway his advantages, dude that's my opinion, and i'll say what ever I like about any player, because I have freedom of speech, if you can't handle that simply don't reply to my post.

You have every right to your opinion (and mine is similar to yours BTW) but to call a Hawthorn player a 'shit truck' is over stepping the line!

No matter how good or bad a player is, if he is wearing the gold and brown then he deserves better than that!!

Also some posters on here know the players personally and i am sure that you wouldn't like a member of your family or a friend talked about in that way.

 

[B&GBlood]

Re: why are we so quick to dismiss clarke??

Thank you Beckers, a little respect please.

Clarke is still an assest to our team. One of the strengths missed in a previous list is "footy smarts". Clarke knows when to defend and when to attack (make space) he has the experience we still need in our team. Do not under rate the whole package.

His average penetration in field kicking is a limitation he works within, much like Croads abominanible long bombs to opposition players are much fewer now.

I think Clake will be prove a very worthy addition to an improved team from last year.

Remember we only won 13/22 home and away games last year we have room for improvement that Tim can help with.

 

[monhawks]

Mixed reactions, hes in our best 22, but personally i rather see Muston in the team. Clarke has to pull something out of his ass to show hes a part of the 22 which will win hawthorn a flag. if he knew how to kick...

I think along these lines as well .We are not going to win a flag with guerra,clarke ,ladson and osbourne all in the side FULL STOP. We need to aim higher and if that means some need to be sacrificed that are ok players then so be it. We're not there yet .Clarko was right about last year . You could throw a blanket over a dozen sides after Geelong and we still played some shockers. A lot is going to have to go our way to be a contender this year and probably next. Chuck in the kids and let's see what we've got.

 

[benhawk]

Adelaide game! The bloke is just not up to it.

 

[pacman]

No hurt factor in his game ,opposition dont care if he has the ball 50 from goal as 99% of the time he panics and doesn't know what to do with it.
Seems like a brilliant guy and clubman but if we think we can win a flag he unfortunately can not be part of it.

 

[Binxy]

Terrible decision making and pushed off it too easy. I groan when he has the footy 'cause I know what's coming.

 

[Delisted]

Adelaide game! The bloke is just not up to it.

But he runs and trains hard and people on this forum may know him dont be mean

But seriously, I'd rather McGlynn Tuck or Kennedy get a game. Clarke has peaked and it isnt good enough. Open your eyes.

 

[FancyNancy]

Great game tonight from Tim considering he's been out for a year he was still too good for McLeod and took him out of the game in the second half.
This also freed up Sewell to be more creative.
This is still March so lets not round up a posse and hang any one just yet.

 

[Fat Tony]

Great game tonight from Tim considering he's been out for a year he was still too good for McLeod and took him out of the game in the second half.
This also freed up Sewell to be more creative.
This is still March so lets not round up a posse and hang any one just yet.

He was average/ok but great made too many mistakes to be considered above ok.

Not to concerned, he is just a filler till McGlynn gets back anyway.

 

[FancyNancy]

He was average/ok but great made too many mistakes to be considered above ok.

Not to concerned, he is just a filler till McGlynn gets back anyway.

Don't put money on it.

 

[Fat Tony]

Don't put money on it.

Once McGlynn gets back from injury he will take Clarke's spot. Otherwise it will be up for grabs between Tuck, Ellis, Kennedy, Stokes, Rioli.

Considering the players we've got i would be very disappointed if Clarke found a way to get a game by round 1 (I am aware of the suspensions by the way)