Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[Chief]

It's the Left that are scratching their heads.

They really aren't.

 

[smelly cat]

Those things matter, sure. But so do lots of things outside our control or even influence. Such as where we were born, to whom we were born, what opportunities we had early in life, what mentors crossed paths with us at critical life stages, being in the right place at the right time for certain job opportunities, enjoying good health (which is only partly influenced by lifestyle), etc etc.

There's an awful lot of chance (or luck) that affects our life outcomes, including financial, social and emotional prosperity.

I think you are 100% spot on.

 

[demondavey]

'The left' is not a homogenous group. It's a weird amalgam of different movements that (broadly) aim to change the status quo to achieve a more equitable society.

Within that movement, there's groups that focus on women's rights, LGBTI rights, activism to support people from indigenous or multicultural backgrounds. We could argue that a rising tide lifts all boats... that men will be better off if women achieve more equality, etc. But I suspect that might be futile.

So ignoring that aspect, there's still plenty that 'the left' has to offer:

- Unions are still active, and many young men are members of unions - particularly in construction and trades, in education and healthcare, the public service, the police force, etc. Unions still offer solidarity and aim to improve conditions for workers, offer representation and support, etc.

- Environmental groups, parties such as the greens, advocate for a more sustainable future. That's relevant to young men, who are going to live, work and inhabit a rapidly changing world.

- 'Left' political parties also offer representation to young men. In the last decade or so the Federal ALP has introduced a broad range of measures that should help young men: off the top of my head, I can list things like strong investment in TAFE (men are quite heavily weighted in trades), major construction and infrastructure projects (employing majority men), the introduction of the NBN, NDIS, reforms to the education (Gonski), etc. Could they do better? Probably. But there is plenty within their policies for young men


The bigger question for me is why do so many 'young white cis hetero' men feel so threatened by progressive movements that don't directly cater to them?

Because these young men grow up with privilege and pamper. They think society owes them.

 

[demondavey]

We’ve only just come out of the sphere of conservatism being the norm in society. We’ve had a very white male orientated social hierarchy from basically colonisation up until about 2010. I saw social change really ramping up around the Rudd era. Think about what John Howard and the liberals stood for? Look no further than Howard cutting a deal to abolish RU486 with Brian Harradine in order to gain his support for a deal re Telecom.

Aboriginals weren’t able to vote until 1967, so basically up until 58 years ago they were treated as second class and denied free speech in our society, ironic that the right peddle their free speech contraventions now.

We’ve basically had a rusted on conservative Christian driven climate of segregation, racism, and isolation of minorities for about 220 years. It’s only the last 15 or so years we’ve started seeing progress. Liberals have been in power for 2/3 of our Federation.

Social media is fuelling these ‘oppressed’ conservatives who are striving for relevance after minorities have been given a fairer share of the social pie. News is condensed into sexy formats of blogs, tweets, and paragraphs of messaging that is designed for impact as opposed to education or information. Someone mentioned young men who are about 20-30 now. They’ve grown up on this resurgence of right wing rhetoric and the Donald Trump agenda. They’ll also grow up with Peter Dutton likely being the PM whom will brazenly tear down our Aboriginal flag and replace it with that of a colonist English pseudo flag.

There’s your answer.

 

[sr36]

Click worthiness is king amongst many youth and Trump trumps everyone on that front.

 

[evolved2]

We’ve only just come out of the sphere of conservatism being the norm in society. We’ve had a very white male orientated social hierarchy from basically colonisation up until about 2010. I saw social change really ramping up around the Rudd era. Think about what John Howard and the liberals stood for? Look no further than Howard cutting a deal to abolish RU486 with Brian Harradine in order to gain his support for a deal re Telecom.

Aboriginals weren’t able to vote until 1967, so basically up until 58 years ago they were treated as second class and denied free speech in our society, ironic that the right peddle their free speech contraventions now.

That's a lot of change in a small amount of time. I'd call that impressive progress.

The left seem to have adopted the opposition to free speech that used to be the hallmark of the right.

We’ve basically had a rusted on conservative Christian driven climate of segregation, racism, and isolation of minorities for about 220 years. It’s only the last 15 or so years we’ve started seeing progress. Liberals have been in power for 2/3 of our Federation.

That's one way of viewing it.

Social media is fuelling these ‘oppressed’ conservatives who are striving for relevance after minorities have been given a fairer share of the social pie.

I see more oppressed progressive takes and group think on social media.

News is condensed into sexy formats of blogs, tweets, and paragraphs of messaging that is designed for impact as opposed to education or information. Someone mentioned young men who are about 20-30 now. They’ve grown up on this resurgence of right wing rhetoric and the Donald Trump agenda. They’ll also grow up with Peter Dutton likely being the PM whom will brazenly tear down our Aboriginal flag and replace it with that of a colonist English pseudo flag.

There’s your answer.

That's one of those oppressed progressive positions I was talking about. Peter Dutton will be glad to know how much influence he has over our youth!

Whatever happens, progressives know how to twist it into victimhood.

 

[Chicken Treat]

That's a lot of change in a small amount of time. I'd call that impressive progress.

The left seem to have adopted the opposition to free speech that used to be the hallmark of the right.

That's one way of viewing it.

I see more oppressed progressive takes and group think on social media.

That's one of those oppressed progressive positions I was talking about. Peter Dutton will be glad to know how much influence he has over our youth!

Whatever happens, progressives know how to twist it into victimhood.

Having observed various takes on here.

I'm confident there's a few outspoken types on here that have not ever needed to venture into a low paid blue collar job to pay bills, where their co workers are from proper broken families, and not part of ethnic minorities.

 

[Chief]

The left seem to have adopted the opposition to free speech that used to be the hallmark of the right.

Boiling it down, the right are still keen to suppress free speech for anyone but the right. Unless someone from the right starts wondering out loud if we should be more caring of those less fortunate than ourselves. Or if maybe capital owners should pay more tax?

The left are generally ok with limits on speech as a way to protect the rights of minority groups and the poor.

I know which one is more honest and inclusive.

 

[Chief]

where their co workers are from proper broken families, and not part of ethnic minorities.

Really?

 

[Gough]

Boiling it down, the right are still keen to suppress free speech for anyone but the right. Unless someone from the right starts wondering out loud if we should be more caring of those less fortunate than ourselves. Or if maybe capital owners should pay more tax?

The left are generally ok with limits on speech as a way to protect the rights of minority groups and the poor.

I know which one is more honest and inclusive.

The Liberal Party have come a long way from wanting to water down 18c so Bolt could hang shit on brown people to the current bed wetting about anti Semitic graffiti.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Peter Dutton tried to sue an unemployed guy for a twitter post.

Is he too much of a lefty for you evolved2 ?

 

[evolved2]

Peter Dutton tried to sue an unemployed guy for a twitter post.

Is he too much of a lefty for you evolved2 ?

I disagree with that frivolous lawsuit in the same way I disagree with this being taken to court. Your thoughts?

I'd be bankrupt if I was sued over every offensive social media post I've made.

 

[evolved2]

Boiling it down, the right are still keen to suppress free speech for anyone but the right. Unless someone from the right starts wondering out loud if we should be more caring of those less fortunate than ourselves. Or if maybe capital owners should pay more tax?

The left are generally ok with limits on speech as a way to protect the rights of minority groups and the poor.

I know which one is more honest and inclusive.

In news today, a leftist thinks their team are more honest and inclusive!

The left have become arbitrators of morality over comedy, religion, free speech etc in the same way the religious right do. The decision making and justification is a complete mess.

While I can't decide which side is worse, I'm sure that I do not want the current vocal breed of progressives to have political power here.

 

[JHF1870]

I think young men are starting to head in the right direction

 

[CM86]

I disagree with this being taken to court.

Do you think that Pauline Hanson was being racist when she made that post on Twitter?
And/Or that it was a racist post, regardless of Pauline Hanson's intent?
And/Or do you not think it was racist at all?

The post made by Pauline Hanson being "piss off back to Pakistan".

 

[CM86]

It's interesting that any movement to the left in young men was deemed as dangerous radicalism, as a result of the indoctrination from the Marxist teachers at schools, and lecturers at University.
And we've had to campaign for years to get politics out of schools, and stop leftists from brainwashing our kids.

But any movement to the right is a natural response to the world around them.

 

[Chief]

In news today, a leftist thinks their team are more honest and inclusive!

If you view it as a teams thing, I can't help you.

 

[jatz14]

In news today, a leftist thinks their team are more honest and inclusive!

The left have become arbitrators of morality over comedy, religion, free speech etc in the same way the religious right do. The decision making and justification is a complete mess.

While I can't decide which side is worse, I'm sure that I do not want the current vocal breed of progressives to have political power here.

Well, Trump and Fox is on the right, this alone gives the left ample room for deceipt, while still being comfortably more honest and inclusive.


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[Grumpyshades]

In news today, a leftist thinks their team are more honest and inclusive!

The left have become arbitrators of morality over comedy, religion, free speech etc in the same way the religious right do. The decision making and justification is a complete mess.

While I can't decide which side is worse, I'm sure that I do not want the current vocal breed of progressives to have political power here.

the left has had their 15 minutes..The masses indulged their fantasies for a bit but are now dismissing the i'm so special because I said so brigade

 

[CM86]

I think a big part of it is because it's easy and people seem to have less resilience.

Ignorance and apathy has become a virtue of 'the right'.
You don't need to be consistent. You don't need to be able to substantiate your belief or position. You're encouraged to avoid being challenged.
It's just going with whatever makes you feel good.

You can state your position on something, and if evidence shows your position is wrong that's OK, because you didn't know. But also you don't care. So you're going to maintain that position anyway.

 

[carltonchelsea]

It's a nice narrative, but like most people, your average Catholic spends 0% of their day thinking about gays and feminists.

Nah, most mick priests are practicing homosexuals.
I’d reckon they spend the majority of their day thinking about gay stuff!
You are wrong, let’s see your stats to suggest otherwise?!

 

[carltonchelsea]

Ironically the far woke left is a religion itself.

The same idiotic statement as “scientism/atheism is a religion”.
It’s a red herring to excuse the disgusting ideas all religions have to face when their archaic, ignorant books are read in their entirety and not cherry picked by their favourite moronic apologists!
Can you name some of these “far woke left..” adherents.
And considering your grammar is exceedingly poor on this asine premise, I’ll kind of only make fun of it a little bit.
“far woke left….” How far woke……left are they Kramo?

 

[smelly cat]

Nah, most mick priests are practicing homosexuals.
I’d reckon they spend the majority of their day thinking about gay stuff!
You are wrong, let’s see your stats to suggest otherwise?!

No one collects stats on things they don't care about.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

No one collects stats on things they don't care about.

How long have you been researching this?

 

[carltonchelsea]

No one collects stats on things they don't care about.

So your 0% of Catholics not accessing gay hookups or pr0n is kinda just projection on your part then?
Hmmn