Society/Culture Why Australia needs to lower its immigration intake

[Gethelred]

This thread is about a lot of things, but one of the things it is not about is crime.

The next person who seeks to make a connection between violent crime and immigration by posting about it in here will receive a threadban and an infraction equivalent to the racism it portrays.

Should you want to talk about violent crime, the 'African gangs' thread is both thataway:

Vic - Melbourne's Sudanese gangs

The Victorian government and police management have finally been shamed into admitting there's a problems with African gangs. On 20th December, after eight police were overpowered by a gang of 100 mainly South Sudanese youths who trashed a Werribee Airbnb-rented property, smashing car...

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Let's stay on topic from here.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Do you know what an embedded network is, and what effect is has on utility prices?

Do you know what the law of supply and demand is ?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Listen champ, you've started another thread where you don't anything about the topic, so you're resorting to the typical nonsense.

In all honesty, you know nothing outside of what you see in the mainstream tabloid media. You're doing yourself a disservice.

 

[Long Live HFC]

lol, "scene". at least all these immigrants won't be lowering language standards.

 

[Messenger]

If you believe in the law of supply and demand how can you not believe that immigration is causing the problems were talking about ?

The big drivers are carbon reduction policy, high taxes, outdated IR policy and too much red tape.

I can believe in the laws of supply and demand and also acknowledge you haven't proven anything to me.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Listen champ, you've started another thread where you don't anything about the topic, so you're resorting to the typical nonsense.

In all honesty, you know nothing outside of what you see in the mainstream tabloid media. You're doing yourself a disservice.

Nope I know exactly what I am talking about, most Australians understand that if you increase the supply of workers than you lower wages and if you increase the demand of commodities you make them cost more . This is why most Australians want a reduction in immigration intakes.

I said in my first post that immigration is not the only cause of low wage growth and rising cost of living and I acknowledge its not possible to say exactly how much of a role it is playing . However if the law of supply and demand is true than it must be playing some role of significance .

You just reject anything that does not fit into your ideological position .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I can believe in the laws of supply and demand and also acknowledge you haven't proven anything to me.

I have provided evidence you just choose not to accept it .

If you believe in the law of supply and demand you have to accept that immigration is keeping wages down and increasing the costs of living .

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I said in my first post that immigration is not the only cause of low wage growth and rising cost of living and I acknowledge its not possible to say exactly how much of a role it is playing . However if the law of supply and demand is true than it must be playing some role of significance .

Glad to see you're walking it back

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I have provided evidence you just choose not to accept it .

If you believe in the law of supply and demand you have to accept that immigration is keeping wages down and increasing the costs of living .

Hang on. Is your evidence the incessant 'do you understand supply and demand?' haranguing?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Glad to see you're walking it back

Its a bit rich for someone who believes in the worlds most stupid religion also known as climate change to be demanding concrete evidence to be convinced of something don't you ?

What I am suggesting is common-sense and most agree with me. We should have a plebiscite on the issue of immigration .

 

[Messenger]

Hang on. Is your evidence the incessant 'do you understand supply and demand?' haranguing?

I was about to ask exactly the same question.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Its a bit rich for someone who believes in the worlds most stupid religion also known as climate change to be demanding concrete evidence to be convinced of something don't you ?

What I am suggesting is common-sense and most agree with me. We should have a plebiscite on the issue of immigration .

Stick to the point. Provide evidence of your claim.

You're starting to spray in every direction. If you can't provide evidence, be quiet and let another dopey thread die.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'm partial to some lower immigration to protect the environment. Refugees are a tiny proportion of immigration so we can deal with them.

Zero migration, take all the refuges and tax people who have more than 2 children.
Kill all real estate agents.

 

[Ricardo]

https://thewest.com.au/news/perth/p...ing-to-infrastructure-australia-ng-b88753472z

The report looks at how Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will absorb an expected 8.5 million residents over the next 30 years. Perth’s population is forecast to reach 4.4 million by 2046, from two million now, overtaking Brisbane, which will be home to almost four million people.

Sydney and Melbourne, each with about 7.3 million residents, will be equivalent to cities the size of New York and London.

FMD that's a lot of people, Melbourne is already congested, imagine it with 7.3 million people.

Australian population growing by over 300,000 per year mostly to the major capital cities.

As long as the benefits of overseas migration outweigh the negatives they won't cut it unfortunately.

I'd like to see the levels cut by half (at least).

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Stick to the point. Provide evidence of your claim.

You're starting to spray in every direction. If you can't provide evidence, be quiet and let another dopey thread die.

I gave you evidence. Lets go through it very simply again.

1. The law of supply and demand dictates the hihger the supply the lower the value and the higher the demand the higher the value .

2. Australia over the past 10 years has been taking in over 200,000 immigrants per year which means a greater supply of workers and a higher demand for commodities.

3. Over the past 10 years most Australians have seen their wages increase at very low levels while their costs of living have gone up at a a very high rate.

This is evidence that immigration is increasing the cost of living and keeping wages down for most workers and its a clear as can be. If you don't accept this you are in total denial .

 

[Pie eyed]

I know you only want to blame rich people for the rise in the costs of living and low wage growth . This is the approach the far left always takes , those wo have more must somehow be oppressing those who have less.

I agree, it is obvious that it is the poor who are pushing constantly for lower wages, lower corporate taxes and the demise of penalty rates.

Who are these rich people anyway, most pf them are actually middle class people who aspire to be rich, who wishfully votes for the party which s promises the most unobtainable wealth.

The truly rich don't give a ****, because they know they have an entire political party working for just them lead by one of their own.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

1. Keep wages down -this is a simple one with a greater supply of workers business no longer need to pay them higher wages to keep them. In most cases a business can get rid of a worker and then replace them with total ease.

This used to be why unions were essential to the ordinary working stiff - the power of collective bargaining. Conservatives can't bark at weaker wages causing oversupply while demanding toothless union participation on the worksites at the same time that equates to nobody arguing for the worker beyond the individual worker themselves.

Shit's gotta be evened out. I realise it can't be 'all or nothing' for either employers OR employees, but neither exists without the other in this life.

 

[ShanDog]

I gave you evidence. Lets go through it very simply again.

1. The law of supply and demand dictates the hihger the supply the lower the value and the higher the demand the higher the value .

2. Australia over the past 10 years has been taking in over 200,000 immigrants per year which means a greater supply of workers and a higher demand for commodities.

3. Over the past 10 years most Australians have seen their wages increase at very low levels while their costs of living have gone up at a a very high rate.

This is evidence that immigration is increasing the cost of living and keeping wages down for most workers and its a clear as can be. If you don't accept this you are in total denial .

You forgot to list the other millions of factors that go into how an economy is affected.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Listen champ, you've started another thread where you don't anything about the topic, so you're resorting to the typical nonsense.

In all honesty, you know nothing outside of what you see in the mainstream tabloid media. You're doing yourself a disservice.

I'm beginning to suspect this poster (and others) is a paid political staffer with focus on social media.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I gave you evidence. Lets go through it very simply again.

1. The law of supply and demand dictates the hihger the supply the lower the value and the higher the demand the higher the value .

2. Australia over the past 10 years has been taking in over 200,000 immigrants per year which means a greater supply of workers and a higher demand for commodities.

3. Over the past 10 years most Australians have seen their wages increase at very low levels while their costs of living have gone up at a a very high rate.

This is evidence that immigration is increasing the cost of living and keeping wages down for most workers and its a clear as can be. If you don't accept this you are in total denial .

You spouting the basic economic law without applying it is not evidence.

Here is some actual evidence. Immigration rates have been far outpaced by cost of living expenses in the past 10 years. There appears to be little correlation.

THis is a classic case of neolibs causing inequality through the levers previously stated, convincing plebs it's brown people, and also convincing these plebs they are the party to fix it.

The sooner the idiots can be freed of their misgivings, the sooner cost of living will be less burdensome.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You spouting the basic economic law without applying it is not evidence.

Here is some actual evidence. Immigration rates have been far outpaced by cost of living expenses in the past 10 years. There appears to be little correlation.

THis is a classic case of neolibs causing inequality through the levers previously stated, convincing plebs it's brown people, and also convincing these plebs they are the party to fix it.

The sooner the idiots can be freed of their misgivings, the sooner cost of living will be less burdensome.

I did apply it in point number 2 .High levels of immigration mean a greater supply of workers which means they are less valuable . It also means a greater demand for commodities making them more expensive .

This just does not fit into your world view that those who have more are oppressing those who have less . The right need to make a big issue out of this .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You forgot to list the other millions of factors that go into how an economy is affected.

I said in the first post there are other reasons for low wage growth and rising costs of living . Immigration, carbon reduction ,high taxes, an outdate IR policy and too much red tape are the big ones .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

This used to be why unions were essential to the ordinary working stiff - the power of collective bargaining. Conservatives can't bark at weaker wages causing oversupply while demanding toothless union participation on the worksites at the same time that equates to nobody arguing for the worker beyond the individual worker themselves.

Shit's gotta be evened out. I realise it can't be 'all or nothing' for either employers OR employees, but neither exists without the other in this life.

If wages are not left to the free market you end up with a situation were many small businesses will go broke and the whole economy will suffer. Unions and government should only play a very small role .

 

[Benny78]

I know you only want to blame rich people for the rise in the costs of living and low wage growth . This is the approach the far left always takes , those wo have more must somehow be oppressing those who have less.

The big companies brought them here. More workers means lower wages and expendable employees!

 

[sherb]

The neo libs cause the problems you loathe, and then convince you it's brown people's fault.

Nailed it right there.

 

[sherb]

I'm beginning to suspect this poster (and others) is a paid political staffer with focus on social media.

I've made the very same point on several occasions.

No doubt whatsoever in my mind that someone is paying him to post all this stuff.