Why do some people take an instant aversion to Rugby?

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i can understand why people think rugby, particularly league, is boring. same with cricket too. but once you have been following it for a while, you appreciate the history and the tactics and skills involved.

AFL is a much easier game for the casual observer to follow. it is fast flowing and entertaining. i'd imagine it is a game that would recruit new supporters with only fringe interest quite easily. games like rugby and cricket etc will always struggle because they are not as fast and are more streamlined in their skill sets, but i guarantee, if you are persistant enough to keep following the sport for 2-3 years, you will learn to appreciate it.

i must admit when i first watched AFL on the tv, i honestly thought there were no rules, aside from the one where you take a catch and you can get a kick without others trying to get it from you. i never got into the game until i saw a game at the MCG, and heard all the supporters around me yelling at the umps (it was then i realised the game had rules). the cry of "ball" was something amazing.

i do think though that if melbourne was given a super 12 team, it would be a huge success. there seems to be a lot more support for rugby union than there is rugby league. one gets the feeling rugby league down there has a very arrogant image, and this needs to be cleaned up, and having john ribot heading rugby league down there would turn heaps of people off.
 
Re: Winmar

Originally posted by Ms.Storm
You have hit the nail on the head....that's what its all about....having a team......and knowing the rules..

Having a team brings out the passion for the game....and obviously all people on this message board have an afl team which they are passionate about but just can;t grasp the fact that you can grow to love other footy codes as well, and support and enjoy a team from another code just as much as your afl team.

Cheers

You're probably right. But we don't want to. That's what you can't seem to get your head around... we just don't want the game.
 

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Re: Winmar

Originally posted by Ms.Storm
You have hit the nail on the head....that's what its all about....having a team......and knowing the rules..

Having a team brings out the passion for the game....and obviously all people on this message board have an afl team which they are passionate about but just can;t grasp the fact that you can grow to love other footy codes as well, and support and enjoy a team from another code just as much as your afl team.

Cheers

Remembers when Perth had the Western Reds..... and Adelaide had their NRL team.... it failed dismally... and you are talking about sporting states who would turn up to watch 2 flies racing up a wall. Perth people have embraced the Perth Glory from Day 1..... but Rugby League was a failure because compared to what we were able to watch and brought up with it was as boring as bat ****. It will never take off here.
 
Was brought up on aussie rules and heavily involved in all ways for more years than i care to admit.Since i have moved to the Sunshine coast 17 years ago i really had no choice but to follow league as the Broncos just started and all the hype was on them including Radio Tv and newspapers,i suppose you could say i was brain washed.Had the oppurtunity to go to a State of origin match and can honestly say it compares favourably with a Grand final .The atmosphere is electric at the old Lang Park absolutely got into it and am now a convert,although in saying that the Super League war finished me as a Bronco supporter dont really support anyone now but still follow the game.On a sideline have been in a footy tipping comp at my local club in both Arl and AFL and have won the Arl and finished 2nd last year but in the Afl finished last the 2 years i have been in it improving this year .
There really is room for all codes and they all have there attractions if you give them a chance.
Cheers
 
I can understand people taking an instant aversion to RUGBY UNION because it is so slow and the ball spends most of the time either on the ground or on the other side of the touchline.

However RUGBY LEAGUE is a fast, physical game requiring many many skills. It is Australias most watched game on television and is more popular than aussie rules when you take into account the population of australia and where it is situated.
ie. e.g. the population of NSW is 6.5 million
and the population of QLD is 4 million
and the population of ACT is over 300,000

when you add that up you get nearly 11 million with Rugby League having a much much much larger support in these areas than AFL, then add people in other areas that support League including WA SA and NT.

whilst AFL is popular in
VIC (population = 4.8million)
WA (population = 1.9 million)
SA (population = 1.5 million)

in these states aussie rules is much more popular than RL however these states only have a population of

8.2 million


One must also consider the Swans home ground attendances
their membership just keeps falling and falling

and are currently giving away 10,000 tickets to every home game just to get people in the gates

now thats desperation

no wonder they are going broke, how can they expect to make a profit if everybody who turns up is getting in free
So by going by those statistics and the tv viewing audiences it is obvious that RL is more popular than AFL across australia

but RL is also much more popular than Aussie rules worldwide
the IAFC claims to be played in about 200 countries but we all know that about 197 of these countries are simply 30 or so australian expats having a kick and a beer on a sunday afternoon.

Compare this to Rugby League worldwide
which is played in the following countries



England
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Lativa
Moldavia
Russia
Scotland
Serbia
Tatarstan
Ukraine
Wales
American Samoa
Australia
Cook Islands
Fiji
Niue
Norfolk Island
New Caledonia
Papua New Guniea
Solomon Islands
Tokelau
Tonga
New Zealand
Western Samoa
Canada
Japan
Kazahstan
Morocco
Lebanon
South Africa

RL (unlike rugby union) has had its world cup won by both northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere nations

the RL world cup has been played since 1954

Despite idiots claiming the contrary
there are 3 nations capable of winning a world cup at the present time and these are the same 3 nations that have professional structures

whilst nations with semi-professional structures such as PNG, France, and others are hot on the heels of the big 3

this is reflected in the current world rugby league rankings

..:: WORLD RANKINGS ::..
:: AUSTRALIAN KANGAROOS
Nation: Australia Entered League: 1907
Rank: 1st Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Few could argue that Australia is not the best team in the world. After 20 years of dominance of the international scene the side again and again brings out the goods to win vital test matches. How long this dominance may last is not yet known with the improving performances of both New Zealand and Great Britain, but in the meanwhile, the Kangaroos deserve to be named, number one.


:: NEW ZEALAND KIWIS
Nation: New Zealand Entered League: 1907
Rank: 2nd Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Despite drawing with Great Britain, New Zealand have kept their position at number two with the increased depth the side is now growing. The improving nature of the New Zealand Warriors, as well as the Bartercard Cup competition is adding the necessary depth the Kiwis need in order to stay competitive at the top of International Rugby League.


:: ENGLAND LIONS
Nation: England Entered League: 1895
Rank: 3rd Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Great Britain did draw the series against New Zealand, and the introduction of an England A squad will ensure the English are competitive come World Cup time, but at the moment, they are still just short of being right up with the current two leaders in Rugby League. A few more years of regular internationals could very change this however.


:: WELSH DRAGONS
Nation: Wales Entered League: 1895
Rank: 4th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Competitive in the World Cup, and still pulling out strong performances since, the Welsh could very well be on the verge of something big, and with a number of semi-professional clubs forming in their competitions over the next few years, could be soon challenging the top three.


:: PAPUA NEW GUINEA KUMULS
Nation: PNG Entered League: 1948
Rank: 5th Change Since 2002: Up One
Comments: A strong performance against the Junior Kangaroos this year and against the full strength Kangaroos in 2001 have seen PNG continue to rise. Their inability to form a completely professional squad however will hinder and further movement up the ladder.


:: IRELAND
Nation: Ireland Entered League: 1996
Rank: 7th Change Since 2002: Up Two
Comments: A quickly growing nation, Ireland's Amateurs played with pride and passion through their international season, thus allowing them to leapfrog Scotland and France. The work of Rugby League Ireland has only been strengthening the Emerald Isle who will be hoping to play some regular tests in 2003 for their professional squad.


:: SCOTLAND
Nation: Scotland Entered League: 1996
Rank: 7th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Scotland have stayed the same world of Rugby League despite not playing a test in 2002. A combination of improved strength in the Scottish Conference competition, regular matches by the Scottish Students throughout Europe, a number of Scottish players now being based in the National League competition and a poor performance by France in 2002 have all meant Scotland did not deserve to rise or fall.


:: FRANCE CHANTICLEERS
Nation: France Entered League: 1933
Rank: 8th Change Since 2002: Down Three
Comments: A surprise loss to Lebanon, and some internal problems have seen France drop in the world rankings. Despite still being extremely competive against the Kiwis, unless France do something to put their competition back in line, they will only drop as other nations like from the Pacific and Russia rise.


:: FIJI BATIS
Nation: Fiji Entered League: 1992
Rank: 9th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: A surprise win against England A in their second test against the visitors has allowed Fiji to keep its position in the world rankings. The nation, despite losing Lote Tuqiri, has continued to produce talented players and looks to only improve in strength over the next few years.


:: TONGA
Nation: Tonga Entered League: 1988
Rank: 10th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Strong performers against a determined England A side, and did not let their nation down when touring New Zealand this year, Tonga have a large amount of talent coming through their ranks, however need more internationals to take the next step.


:: LEBANON CEDARS
Nation: Lebanon Entered League: 1997
Rank: 11th Change Since 2002: Up Two
Comments: A brilliant win against France in their first home test, the Lebanese are making some strong progress, and with a number of professional players to call upon, the side will only move up the rankings as time goes on.


:: SAMOA
Nation: Samoa Entered League: 1987
Rank: 12th Change Since 2002: Down One
Comments: Back in the League crowd, their ability to call upon almost the Kiwi's second XIII guarentees them a spot in the top sixteen nations. Samoa play their first match again in League in the upcoming World Sevens.


:: RUSSIAN BEARS
Nation: Russia Entered League: 1989
Rank: 13th Change Since 2002: Up One
Comments: Strong progress has been made in Russia, in terms of internationals, support from the government, and the improving profile of their club competition has seen Russia on the rise. Still some time out from being a real force in the international arena, Russia is taking the necessary steps to continue to improve.


:: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TOMAHAWKS
Nation: USA Entered League: 1994
Rank: 14th Change Since 2002: Up One
Comments: Another improver in the world of Rugby League, USA, played matches against Russia, Japan, Ireland, New Zealand A, Souths Juniors and Tatarstan in 2002, and will only stand to benefit from all of them.


:: ITALY
Nation: Italy Entered League: 1997
Rank: 15th Change Since 2002: Up One
Comments: With Italian Rugby Clubs climbing on board, and a player named in the upcoming World Emerging XIII by TotalRL.com, the Italians are making forward momentum. Competitions such as the Padova Cup will only help them move forward and hopefully become a competitive nation.


:: SOUTH AFRICAN RHINOS
Nation: South Africa Entered League: 1992
Rank: 16th Change Since 2002: Up One
Comments: Finally heading in the right direction. With an seven team domestic competition, and regular tours by their aged sides to Australia and around the world, the Rhinos are finally heading up instead of down.


:: NEW CALENDONIA
Nation: New Calendonia Entered League: 2002
Rank: 17th Change Since 2002: New Nation
Comments: Whilst only just starting to play the XIII man game, New Calendonia have already made alot of forward progress. With a Rugby Union background, the New Calendonians were very competitive against NSW Universities in their first ever international, and only have better things to come.


:: COOK ISLANDS
Nation: Cook Islands Entered League: 1994
Rank: 18th Change Since 2002: Down Six
Comments: Cook Islands unfortunately haven't gotten worst, its just everyone else has gotten better. They are one of the unfortunate groups who are disadvantaged by their small population and remoteness. Still with their ability to call on some talented professional players, they can still challenge even some of the best nations in international Rugby League.


:: MOROCCO
Nation: Morocco Entered League: 1996
Rank: 19th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: No change for Morocco, who whilst having internationals taken away from them has still managed to keep on promoting Rugby League, battling away hoping one day to be noticed.


:: JAPAN
Nation: Japan Entered League: 1994
Rank: 20th Change Since 2002: None
Comments: Japan played only one international in 2002 against USA, a match which looks to become an annual fixture. They need more matches in order to become more competitive in the international arena.


:: SERBIA
Nation: Serbia Entered League: 2002
Rank: 21st Change Since 2002: New Nation
Comments: A new nation in the world of Rugby League. Serbia play their first internationals in 2003, in the World Sevens and against Russia. From those matches it should be easier to grade the side.


:: AMERICAN SAMOA
Nation: American Samoa Entered League: 1988
Rank: 22nd Change Since 2002: Re-Ranked
Comments: Back in the rankings, American Samoa will be in the 2003 Emerging Sevens tournament. Still battling along, despite little to no support or recognition, it will be good to see the side once again playing internationals.


:: CANADA
Nation: Canada Entered League: 1989
Rank: 23rd Change Since 2002: Down Five
Comments: Little to no information about the Canadian competition in 2002, seems to single the worst for the competition. As a result the side has dropped in placings as other nations have continued to rise.




therefore i think it is obvious that RL is by far more popular than Aussie Rules not only in australia but around the world
 
Originally posted by jamiep333
RL (unlike rugby union) has had its world cup won by both northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere nations

Well England is in the Northern Hemisphere and Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, and both have won the RU WC.

Now lets have a look at your list of nations:

England - Semi- popular in pockets of the north, but totally ignored in the south. Runs a long way behind Soccer. Probably the only nation other than Australia with any real support for League.

Ireland - Less popular than Soccer or assorted Irish sports

In the following nations, RL is a minor sport, way behind Union and Soccer:
Scotland
Wales
France
Italy
Russia

Most residents of the following wouldn't even know they had a team:
Germany
Lativa
Moldavia
Serbia
Tatarstan
Ukraine
Kazakhstan
Canada
Japan
Morocco
Lebanon - at the last WC even the Lebanese Sports Minister hadn't heard of them. Probably because most of the team come from Sydney...

How many tiny Pacific Island nations do you want to include (where League is second to Union anyway):
American Samoa
Cook Islands
Fiji
Niue
Papua New Guinea
Solomon Islands
Tokelau
Tonga
Western Samoa

(remember you don't hear AFL people talking about how Australian Rules is the biggest sport in Nauru do you?)

A couple of rugby nations - but they much prefer Union.
New Zealand
South Africa

Norfolk Island - not even a nation; its an Australian external territory
New Caledonia - a French external territory.

And of course in Australia, I'd say that AFL support in Queensland (notably the Gold Coast and FNQ, but not ignoring Brisbane) and the ACT would be much higher than RL support in Vic (minimal) and WA and SA (non-existant). I also note that you forgot the half a million odd Tasmanians, and the fact that Sydney is by far the most apathetic city in the nation when it comes to sport, and the fact that the Riverina region of NSW is an AFL stronghold.

At best RL and AFL would have about the same level of support.
 

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RL is by far more popular in the north of england

and has increasing support in the south with the introduction of the London Broncos as well as many many development squads and international matches being played in london


quote Ireland - Less popular than Soccer or assorted Irish sports
/quote


nobody is denying that
at least we dont try and claim a sport which is similar to ours such as rugby union as our own and then play a test match against them pffffft




In the following nations, RL is a minor sport, way behind Union and Soccer:


the whole russian rugby union switched across to rugby league in the 90's after the administrators saw league and how much of a better game it is
there is some kind of RU there at the moment but nothing compared to RL - a recent test against USA got a crowd of over 40,000

Most residents of the following wouldn't even know they had a team:

well league was played in serbia in the 50s and then was taken over by the union nazis but now it is back, people there do know what it is and it is increasing in popularity


rl is huge in tartastan and it has a team in the russian comp
the nation also played against the USA in front of a big crowd

well a lot has changed in 4 years
lebanon now has its own national competition with the national army even having a team
it is becoming increasingly popular and the locals seem to love the sport the same way the lebanese people in australia do


You obviously dont know much if you think RL comes second to RU in PNG
RL is Huge there
you buried yourself in a big hole there

New Zealanders do prefer Union
but League is also extremely popular
with the bartercard cup and the warriors and the national side the kiwis getting better and better
 
However RUGBY LEAGUE is a fast, physical game requiring many many skills. It is Australias most watched game on television and is more popular than aussie rules when you take into account the population of australia and where it is situated.
ie. e.g. the population of NSW is 6.5 million
and the population of QLD is 4 million
and the population of ACT is over 300,000

when you add that up you get nearly 11 million with Rugby League having a much much much larger support in these areas than AFL, then add people in other areas that support League including WA SA and NT.

whilst AFL is popular in
VIC (population = 4.8million)
WA (population = 1.9 million)
SA (population = 1.5 million)

in these states aussie rules is much more popular than RL however these states only have a population of

8.2 million
.



What a flawed and one sided arguement you make:rolleyes:

Firstly Australian Rules Football apart from the 3 states you mentioned is popular in Tasmania, Northern Territory and ACT! as well as parts of NSW where it is the dominant football code and Parts of Queensland where it has a strong following as well.

Merely stating the populations of a combined NSW and QLD verses that of Vic SA and WA to determine which code is most popular is laughable.

At least AFL has a presense in QLD and NSW with actual teams and some support from the population! Apart from the Storm which most Victorians dont give a crap about RL has no representation in SA and WA...and even less TV interest.

And to suggest that RL is a more watched TV sport is nonsence not even worthy of a response.:rolleyes:
 
:rolleyes: lacrosse is played in the USA so it must be more popular than Aussie Rules played in Australia :rolleyes:

also, basketball is played in more states of australia than league so it must be more popular as well.

maybe you should try looking at the ratings hmm..? i know you wont, because they shatter your argument to bits.

you make shoking argument, they make you look so gaddamn foolish, including your makebelieve misinformation about the swans.

it is people like you as is why people have an instant aversion with rugby league, and you are pushing me in that direction as well :mad:
 
the most watched sporting events last year were the NRL grand final, state of origin series and the aus v GB test match


the AFL cronies bring up the ridiculous ratings which only counts the capital cities however the true ratings . i.e. national showed that these league matches were way ahead overall
 
Originally posted by jamiep333
RL is by far more popular in the north of england

and has increasing support in the south with the introduction of the London Broncos as well as many many development squads and international matches being played in london

I can assure you that RL barely even puts its head above the radar in London. In POCKETS in the north of England it may be more popular, but that's minimal.

Originally posted by jamiep333
Ireland - Less popular than Soccer or assorted Irish sports

nobody is denying that
at least we dont try and claim a sport which is similar to ours such as rugby union as our own and then play a test match against them pffffft

Noone tries to claim that International Rules is Australian Rules either, so that argument can go....

Originally posted by jamiep333
the whole russian rugby union switched across to rugby league in the 90's after the administrators saw league and how much of a better game it is
there is some kind of RU there at the moment but nothing compared to RL - a recent test against USA got a crowd of over 40,000

Uh huh. If you say so. If its so popular in Russia how come such a large nation isn't competitive at it?

Originally posted by jamiep333
well league was played in serbia in the 50s and then was taken over by the union nazis but now it is back, people there do know what it is and it is increasing in popularity

And how popular is it compared with say..... the Serbian football team?

Originally posted by jamiep333
rl is huge in tartastan and it has a team in the russian comp
the nation also played against the USA in front of a big crowd

Where exactly is Tartarstan anyway? Oh, its part of Russia. So its as relevant in your list of countries as Norfolk Island...

Originally posted by jamiep333
well a lot has changed in 4 years
lebanon now has its own national competition with the national army even having a team
it is becoming increasingly popular and the locals seem to love the sport the same way the lebanese people in australia do

Maybe. See my comments below about PNG.

Originally posted by jamiep333
You obviously dont know much if you think RL comes second to RU in PNG
RL is Huge there
you buried yourself in a big hole there

Oh, yes a HUUUUUGE hole. About the size of the vacancy between your ears. Give you a hint - on the world sporting stage PNG would be lucky to register as a gnat.

Originally posted by jamiep333
New Zealanders do prefer Union
but League is also extremely popular
with the bartercard cup and the warriors and the national side the kiwis getting better and better

Uh huh. However they do prefer UNION. Can't say that I don't agree on that point.

Originally posted by jamiep333
the AFL cronies bring up the ridiculous ratings which only counts the capital cities however the true ratings . i.e. national showed that these league matches were way ahead overall

Well why don't you go and do some homework and come back with the evidence then? Or are you just yet another idiotic RL troll?
 
so you basically agree with everything ive said


rugby league was only started in russia in 1994


they have already played against australia and lost by a considrable amount

however 4 years down the track and considerable improvement


Did you know they play in summer and winter

their winter comp is held in the snow basically

i think aus would struggle against russia if the match was played in the russian winter


russia are getting better and better
 
Originally posted by jamiep333
It is Australias most watched game on television and
I doubt it.

They don't have to channels of pay tv dedicated to RL do they? If RL really did get viewers, you could bet that the powers that be at FOX would be whipping up a RL channel.

It seems there is no dedicated FOX RL channel because of lack of interest.
 
Originally posted by jamiep333
the most watched sporting events last year were the NRL grand final, state of origin series and the aus v GB test match


the AFL cronies bring up the ridiculous ratings which only counts the capital cities however the true ratings . i.e. national showed that these league matches were way ahead overall


You`re pulling these stats out of your arse! :rolleyes:

Overall, the AFL GF, the Melbourne Cup, F1 GP Aust Open tennis would all have rated higher across the country than RL, go away and spread this garbage on the RL forum instead! This is an AFL board, rack of troll! .:rolleyes:
 

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