You had a go at me for bringing up the Eagles' odds just a few weeks ago.... WC was at $51 for a premiership then if i'm remembering right. Obviously it's very variable at this time of year so it really means nothing. The bookies just trying to tempt people to have a bet seeing as they normally get nothing in the off season. If WC are anywhere north of $20 to make the eight, il put a bet down straight away.
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Why i am optomistic with eagles in 2011
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Re: Will the Eagles have the best starting 4 in 2011 in rd 1
Swap Priddis for Scooter and I reckon your on.
Swap Priddis for Scooter and I reckon your on.
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Swap NicNat for Jolly
Kerr for Pendlebury
Priddis for Ball
and
Shuey for Swan
And I reckon you are spot on
Kerr for Pendlebury
Priddis for Ball
and
Shuey for Swan
And I reckon you are spot on
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So you cherry pick two games against fellow bottom 4 sides where we lost but didn't get belted as evidence that the team approached the entire year with the right metal attitude and no players in the side put in less than required effort at any stage in the 22 games. I don't know where to begin explaining the real world to you.
Those two games were widely acknowledged by commentators as the worst games of football they had seen all year. The worst. So bad it was almost comical.
GM pretty sure theres a game against Geelong that he mentioned there.
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I acknowledged it was not the same market in my post. I found the odds you quoted to be pretty short at the time. The ones i quoted were on centrebet and i very much doubt that they have moved much since released. I very much doubt we have gone from $51 to $126 in a couple of weeks.
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yes but we played well that day, meaning that the game is already wiped from his mind
Would love that starting 4
CENTRE: Priddis
RUCK: I'll go with Naitanui
ROVER: Kerr
RUCK ROVER: Adam Selwood/ Masten
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He also understated the margin. It was 44 points, not 30, and in my view 44 points is a thumping. I am not surprised he thinks that that is a close result. And Geelong were clearly just trying to avoid having injured or tired players going into week 1 of the finals.
Again, you can't just cherry pick individual games. Look at the whole season. Thats what we are talking about here. I can just as easily pull some 10 goal plus thumpings out to prove my point. Individual results mean nothing. It's the season as a whole.
Don't move the goal posts.
You basically said the team gave up, played for themselves and didn't try.
The final 5 weeks we lost to Port by a point away (a team that usually flogs us even when Judd and Cousins were here), Lions by 5 points with a dodgy decision, Norths by 15 > 20 was it and Geelong by 44, this game the team played much better than the score suggested.
I'd suggest that over the last 5 weeks the team tried its guts out and was unlucky not to have won two of them.
Thats a far cry from 'giving up and not trying' which is your narrow minded opinion.
You are the king troll of sweeping statements and generalisations that are so easily shown by facts to be incorrect its laughable.
Keep up the bad work.
It helps pass time during the off season.
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These are your observations, not fact. There's no way of verifying whether the things you've mentioned are factual or a caused by some other reason.
There was no need to even mention Geoffe Myles' name in this thread. While you claim him to be forever negative, your constant baiting and berating of him shows neutrals your obsession with Geoffe. Let it go. It's getting old.
Personal opinions aside, Geoffe Myles is good for this board. Differing opinions keeps this board ticking. Polar opposite opinions make this board interesting. It's the same reason why Gunnar Longshanks was good for this board. Everyone had differing personal views on him, but he had well articulated opinions. That made him a good contributor.
The reason why your opinions are not considered fact is because they're debatable.
1. IMO, Mitch Brown played for a free kick, hence the reason he fell forward after minimal contact. He gambled and he lost.
2. WC's effort looked good in the Geelong game in round 22. But what offsets that effort is that Geelong were cruising and only did just enough to get the win.
It's debatable whether WC played above what they've previously shown, or whether Geelong's apathetic approach made WC look better than they were.
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There's a middle ground opinion between both sides - we're clearly not an oustanding team at the moment, not even a top eight team either. But improvement is something we're all hoping for and optimism is the way to go - but in moderation, because more than likely you're gonna get brought back to earth with a thump if your thinking finals next year.
Ladder after 22 rounds in 2011...
1 through to 15 everyone else
16 Gold Coast
17 Eagles
Nobody should be getting excited, you're wasting energy.
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The FACTS are we lost two games by less than a kick, one away against Port and the second at home against the Lions.
Are you disputing that the team actually tried hard to win these games?
The fact that the game was lost by less than a kick in the dying seconds of the game is a pretty good indicator that we didn't give up? Or is that in your opinion "debatable".
As for GM, obsession is not a term I'd use to describe the relationship at all. I do take the time to 'take the p!ss out of anyone who posts such lop sided, unbalanced and negative views.
I don't mind constructive criticism or even a fun dummy spit every now and again but the continual negative droning on and on by anyone is just painfull. Especially when its such a one sided view of the issues.
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Don't move the goal posts.
You basically said the team gave up, played for themselves and didn't try.
The final 5 weeks we lost to Port by a point away (a team that usually flogs us even when Judd and Cousins were here), Lions by 5 points with a dodgy decision, Norths by 15 > 20 was it and Geelong by 44, this game the team played much better than the score suggested.
I'd suggest that over the last 5 weeks the team tried its guts out and was unlucky not to have won two of them.
Thats a far cry from 'giving up and not trying' which is your narrow minded opinion.
You are the king troll of sweeping statements and generalisations that are so easily shown by facts to be incorrect its laughable.
Keep up the bad work.
Port are utter shit. It's of no surprise WC got close to them, even playing in Adelaide. The Lions are the corn in Port's shit. Norf aren't that good, they're a middle of the road team playing in the west. Losing that game shouldn't have occurred.
WC lost 3 games they should've won. Saying they were close doesn't provide the facts. It says more about WC's lack of effort than it says for it. WC along with the 3 aforementioned teams are all shit. With that being so, it's no wonder the games turned out the way they did.
I find it hard then to conclude with any certainty the level of endeavor WC produced in each of these games. You say it's good, Geoffe says it wasn't. Who can say for certain. There's no right and wrong in this debate, as it's an unverifiable opinion from both sides.
You most of all shouldn't be calling anyone's views "narrow minded", because you can't accept his differing opinion without resorting to insults and BS. It's you who's quick to troll Geoffe and deliberately start shit fights on this board with him. If you weren't narrow minded, you'd accept Geoffe's opinion as that and debate it without all the other BS that comes forth from you regarding Geoffe.
8 > 10 wins with a couple of away wins is where I expect we will be at in 2011. Pretty much a year behind Melbourne with their rebuild.
Sure I won't be betting on the Eagles for the flag but I also wouldn't be wasting money betting on a 2nd wooden spoon either.
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The FACTS are we lost two games by less than a kick, one away against Port and the second at home against the Lions.
Are you disputing that the team actually tried hard to win these games?
The fact that the game was lost by less than a kick in the dying seconds of the game is a pretty good indicator that we didn't give up? Or is that in your opinion "debatable".
As for GM, obsession is not a term I'd use to describe the relationship at all. I do take the time to 'take the p!ss out of anyone who posts such lop sided, unbalanced and negative views.
I don't mind constructive criticism or even a fun dummy spit every now and again but the continual negative droning on and on by anyone is just painfull. Especially when its such a one sided view of the issues.
The fact that WC lost 2 games by less than a kick, aren't the facts that are in dispute.
I think there's no verification that can be made by us to assess how hard the team tried to win. I'm not in either the yay or nay camp. I'm saying that trying to state such a thing as fact is a waste of time, as it can't be conclusively verified. The argument is going to go around in circles with no end because of this. It's a pointless exercise.
Losing a game by less than a kick isn't proof that WC played with the right mentality, because one could make the argument that at Subiaco, WC should've beat those sides by 5 goals, despite WC being situated at the bottom of the ladder.
No! That's not true. You have a special dislike of GM and that's evidenced by your posts toward him and your posting history. You do not dish out the same treatment to others as you do GM. So it's not unfair to label your posting history toward GM an obsession.
Whether they're lop sided, imbalanced or whatever, it's only your opinion. It doesn't justify your trolling of Geoffe.
If Geoffe's views bother you, do what most other regular folk do, just ignore it; otherwise your trolling of him continually will just add further evidence to what most fair minded folk will see as an obsession.
Been there done that.
And for my troubles debating GM with facts, I got called the Gestapo mind police and other immature insults.
So regarding these posts just now, are they what you mentioned privately some weeks ago about "taking me to task" and "going toe to toe" with me?
Just admit it Tesser ............. you are no saint and this little exchange has nothing to do with being the high and almighty mature poster you are pretending to be and its basically a personal little issue between you and me you've been stewing on.
As I've posted many times. I don't have a problem with different views, or negative views as long as they are balanced and not totally one sided to be troll like. It also helps if that view can be supported with facts as opposed to being proven totally wrong. EG GM on not turning over many players over the past 3/4 years.
Many, many times I've posted "Fair enough, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, I just don't agree!" In fact thats exactly why I had a few run in's with Gunner, he didn't like opinions different to his and I would have a bit of fun with his stance on that as well.
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Been there done that.
And for my troubles debating GM with facts, I got called the Gestapo mind police and other immature insults.
So regarding these posts just now, are they what you mentioned privately some weeks ago about "taking me to task" and "going toe to toe" with me?
Just admit it Tesser ............. you are no saint and this little exchange has nothing to do with being the high and almighty mature poster you are pretending to be and its basically a personal little issue between you and me you've been stewing on.
As I've posted many times. I don't have a problem with different views, or negative views as long as they are balanced and not totally one sided to be troll like. It also helps if that view can be supported with facts as opposed to being proven totally wrong. EG GM on not turning over many players over the past 3/4 years.
Many, many times I've posted "Fair enough, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, I just don't agree!" In fact thats exactly why I had a few run in's with Gunner, he didn't like opinions different to his and I would have a bit of fun with his stance on that as well.
The thing is, you don't accept GM's opinion as just that. You return it with hateful vitriol. If you've accepted it in the past, that's certainly not on display now.
You weren't debating GM with facts, you were debating him with your opinion. Because you call them facts, that doesn't make it so, for the reason I've previously pointed out.
It's a fair call that GM made of you. He can't seem to make a comment on this board without you provoking a shit fight. Hence his correct call.
My posts now have nothing to do with any previous clashes of opinion we have had. This is my observation from a neutral stand point of this issue. Any previous clash I had with you doesn't invalidate my comments here.
You're just trying to deflect by labeling what I'm saying about you as a personal gripe. If I cared what people thought of me on here, I wouldn't be having a go at you, for being a troll, for instance. Rather, I'd be sitting back and letting this BS continue because it doesn't involve me. I'd want to not ruffle any feathers in case people thought ill of me, and my e-reputation may become tarnished.
Who're you to judge what is a negative view or not, and then to act out your harassment of said person because of this?
GM's posts aren't "troll like" just because you disagree with him. His posts are for the most part directed toward the club. How is that "troll like"? Is this board not a place to discuss the WCE? Whether you like it or not, it's not your place to make a personal judgment of Geoffe and deem him worthy of trolling and harassment. If you cease in this action, neither Geoffe nor I will have a problem with your posting. If you post a rebuttal that disputes Geoffe's comments and tries to correct him on what you deem a mistake, that's fine, but the other BS like baiting and obsessive trolling must stop.
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