Why is Clement considered an automatic choice for AA?

[doppleganger]

m. Johnson the dockers bloke or the essendon version?? both no chance at AA

J. Graham surely ur joking

A. Hunter (before injury)he was going ok

Shane Parkerhe is good

Leo Barrysydney supporters saying he has had a poor year

Craig Boltonhe is good

ect have all had better years than clement

none of those have had clearly better years then clement. Clement still had a good year, still the best all round defender in the league, but compared to 04-05 he isn't as good as he hasn't had to do as much as the pies are playing better!

 

[mini_me316]

m. Johnson

J. Graham

A. Hunter (before injury)

Shane Parker

Leo Barry

Craig Bolton

ect have all had better years than clement

How many of those "wonderful" players play for teams in Victoria.
Just wondering because you do seem a tad one eyed for a West Coast supporter.

 

[MarkT]

This is a great thread. The reason is the Collingwood PR machine. You will notice that everyone in the media pumping him up is either connected to Collingwood or employed by Eddie. Ben Johnson has had a better year than Clement.

No he hasn’t. He started better but Clement has overtaken him. Johnson would be competing with the likes of Johncock for a spot after Clement is inked in. I doubt Johnson will get a gig but he'd be in the mix. IMO only Didak and Clement will be selected from Collingwood. Clement is a certainty and Didak is a reasonable possibility. Johnson is a longshot a bit ahead of Fraser who would have to be selected on the bench as more than a pure ruckman and Heath Shaw who would find it tough against bigger more established names to get the selectors votes. They are the only remote possibilities and the B&F top 6.

 

[dread and might]

Leo has not had a great year
Craig Bolton has. Played on Hird and riewoldt and did well on both.

Don't know if his year has been better than Clement though.

 

[Brad Goodman]

If they do ineed place a '3rd tall' in the All-Australian team there's a fair chance it will be Clement. That said I agree with others that his season 2006 hasn't been as good as 2004-05.

 

[Coin_Toss]

By the way, his season 2006 is still good enough for AA selection.

 

[Cyclops]

Very good call about reputations. Clemo's a fine player, but no better this year than before.

Bucks was a deserving Brownlow medallists, but has had much better seasons than 2003. I think the umps realised he hadn't won one yet, and somehow he was deserving. Clemo has been a fine defender since 2002, but his reputation has only just been built. Once a player "arrives" he has to work hard not to get awards, votes etc.

Its reminiscent of the way Weightman was an auto selection for SOO when he was an ordinary dirty player at the end of his career.

It works the other way too. Now Clemo is copping kudos, there's a myth starting that he's some sort of scragger. I don't think there's a fairer defender in the game, frankly: he cheats so much less than you're allowed too, and a lot less than respected defenders like Presti or Scarlett (let alone that dreadful cheat Fletcher).

For fairness, Clemo is in the same league as Wirrpunda, except he plays even more man-on-man. However since Jimmy Hird went on an extrended free-kick hunt against us, all I hear is how Clemo is a jumper-grabber.

 

[Cyclops]

...Heath Shaw who would find it tough against bigger more established names...

Very good point. Such a great season from Shaw, but very little show fro AA, because he doesn't have the profile yet. He'll do well in the Copeland though, always seems to fulfill his role.

Ther improvement to Shaw and Swan have been two massive reasons for our finals finish.

 

[Gopies 2002]

Clement is and should be a shoe in for AA.

With ongoing injuries to Presti and Wakelin, he has had cover both the key backs and, as needed the quicker smaller players if they have got onto of our other defenders.

While doing this he has continued to provide rebound from the back 50 and has set up much of our attack from the back half.

He is currently the Pies premier player. Playing for the Pies shouldn't stop people from recognising what an outstanding player he is.

 

[Kenny Hunter]

Clement AA for sure in 2006

He's the easiest pick in the AA backline

And the only Collingwood player to make the AA side in 2006

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Clement AA for sure in 2006

He's the easiest pick in the AA backline

And the only Collingwood player to make the AA side in 2006

Other than Alan Didak

 

[Go_Dogs]

Dale Morris has shown more versatility than Clement this year. Dale Morris is a gun.

Dale will surely come close this year to AA selection.

 

[Kenny Hunter]

Other than Alan Didak

Didak good year but no chance

 

[Kenny Hunter]

Dale will surely come close this year to AA selection.

Dale Morris will be 1 of 3 dogs in the AA side
The others being West and Johnson

If you listen to Walls and Healy on Dale Morris they love his year and both are AA selectors, been talking him up all year

A couple of weeks ago many at the dogs though Morris would be leading their B&F

 

[romanwfw]

i cant believe ppl are saying h.shaw is having a better season than jimmy clement. they play completely different positions.

shaw is a rebounding defender ala the bowdens, and about the same skill level. he's not up to the mcleods and wirrapandas atm


i reckon didak has a better AA chance then clement. the only one who'd be competing for the same spot would be farmer, who's had a good run of late. Robbo's had a dissapointing season. Milne's more midfield now ( more evidence that GT is a hack. when you have Riewoldt, Kosi, Gehrig and Hamill, you'd think you would like a crumber of the quality of milne, but no GT is a deadset dumb sh*t). Matera's retired, N. Davis got dropped from the swans

so yeah, u could probably lock in didak in the AA team

 

[RECORDS!]

i cant believe ppl are saying h.shaw is having a better season than jimmy clement. they play completely different positions.

shaw is a rebounding defender ala the bowdens, and about the same skill level. he's not up to the mcleods and wirrapandas atm


i reckon didak has a better AA chance then clement. the only one who'd be competing for the same spot would be farmer, who's had a good run of late. Robbo's had a dissapointing season. Milne's more midfield now ( more evidence that GT is a hack. when you have Riewoldt, Kosi, Gehrig and Hamill, you'd think you would like a crumber of the quality of milne, but no GT is a deadset dumb sh*t). Matera's retired, N. Davis got dropped from the swans

so yeah, u could probably lock in didak in the AA team

Why do people continue to say this about Joel, he takes the best opposition forward every week, and just happens to be good enough to create at the same time. Patrick Bowden you are correct about, terrible man on man player, but please leave Joel out of this.

 

[Bound For Glory]

Why do people continue to say this about Joel, he takes the best opposition forward every week, and just happens to be good enough to create at the same time. Patrick Bowden you are correct about, terrible man on man player, but please leave Joel out of this.

Agree Joel is a better player than Patrick but still a query on him sticking close to his opponent. The game against Robertson showed that. Also have to notice they are using Hall on the best forward now, admittedly cos u need Bowdens run but also he isn't as tight. Clement I think will make AA selection but not as big a certainty as previous years. Think Didak is a big certainty to make AA and Dale Morris very underrated

 

[Cyclops]

...so yeah, u could probably lock in didak in the AA team

Where? Its tighter than you think down there. Brad Johnson and Ricciutto would be strong contenders for small forward spots too, and have bigger reps. I know they deserve spots on ability but they're not picked for that, they'll be picked for their media acknowledgement.

 

[Bound For Glory]

Where? Its tighter than you think down there. Brad Johnson and Ricciutto would be strong contenders for small forward spots too, and have bigger reps. I know they deserve spots on ability but they're not picked for that, they'll be picked for their media acknowledgement.

Johnson will make it and while Ricciuto has been good when fit, hasn't been on the park enough to get him over the line.

 

[Crow-mo]

Not sure what research has to do with it?

this I believe. really I do. your confusion was a given.

Correct me if Im wrong but he was AA in his 1st 2 yrs in the AFL?
Remarkable stuff,in yrs he got nowhere near the B & F.

ok, so you're more than merely confused now. I beleive your contention was that he was an example of how it was harder to get out of the AA team, than it was to get in. a simple bit of research shows that he made it twice at the beginning of his career, and not for another 6 years.

so can you now see what research can do, to stop you looking like a nuff nuff?
no need to thank me, happy to help

Perhaps the AFL were looking for members from the fledgling club????
Slot him in 2 yrs running,then theres no questions.

wow. I see you put a lot of thought into that.

Late 90's he's in again,it's ok as he's dual AA before.
Very good player but AA in his 1st 2 yrs???

ok, so you've abandoned your original point for this one?
doesn't sound like you're old to pass opinion on his first 2 years. perhaps you consider that next time, before passing off laughably poorly informed thoughts?

Give me a break

seth

are you sure you wouldn't rather a clue?

 

[Im The Gun]

Agree about him being automatically considered for AA but he is NOT the best defender in the league. Eddie and some members of the media (Dermott, Gary Lyon, Dennis Cometti, Brian Taylor and Michael Christian etc) Talk him up soo much that it gets in peoples psyche that Clement really is that good.........

He is good but not the best.

Wrong!
He's the best backman in the leauge, but that doesn't mean the best full back.

His reading of the ball is better than most players in the AFL and his skills are pin point.

 

[WakeUpPies]

he plays on small and talls, can kick the ball a massive distance, judges the ball well, haven't been beaten except for once this year, why not AA?

 

[buddha]

Watch him everyweek. He hasnt been beaten by his opponent once this year.

got touched up by ricciuto in round 1 before getting injuried and his last half on the weekend wasnt to good.whittnal kicked 2.1(3.1 if not for the blood rule)waite kicked a goal and fev set one up all in the 3rd,all on clement.was better in the last and played on one of the blues better forwards(NOT)in the 1st half in mcgrath!

 

[Cassius_Clay]

got touched up by ricciuto in round 1 before getting injuried and his last half on the weekend wasnt to good.whittnal kicked 2.1(3.1 if not for the blood rule)waite kicked a goal and fev set one up all in the 3rd,all on clement.was better in the last and played on one of the blues better forwards(NOT)in the 1st half in mcgrath!

Yes, Ricciuto did touch him up. That I agree with.

In the Blues game, Clement played on Fevola aswell and thrashed him too.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Didak good year but no chance

Yes he has. He's a near certainty.