Why is white still used as the clash colour?

[*PAF]

They have been wearing Clash kits since the 1940's and saying that they dont have a traditional bone in them is just stupid.

Photo Evidence Manchester United wearing blue in 1968.

You could say they respect tradition more than us by using proper away strips.

Sure a few clubs like Man U are loaded but most aren't and they respect the tradition of the home team no matter who it is or how much money they have.

If it was run by the AFL home teams would be forced to wear away strips when playing against United, Liverpool etc.

 

[Scotland]

The problem with clash jumpers (other than the feeble justifications for/against their need) is that clubs keep making 'clash' jumpers which are at best a mild deviation from their regular jumper.

AFL: Essendon, your black jumper with red sash clashes with Melbourne's navy jumper with red yoke.
Essendon: How about we just make the sash an inch wider.
AFL: Yep, that'll do it.

What the actual ****.

The whole point of uniforms in any sport is to distinguish one team from another. The Dogs are about the only team who have managed to use the same colours and jumper design and successfully have jumpers which are actually markedly different.

 

[*PAF]

Why do we need away jumpers? Surely if there is no clash a normal one would be best.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

For 60 years it was black short home, white shorts away. then 40 years ago we got rid of the black shorts rule, now time to remove the white shorts rule.
Given that 10 teams have some white in their jumper, and six clubs significant white, surely white is the last colour to use for shorts and clash jumpers to differentiate between clubs.
(This is aside from the fact that dressing clubs in generic, non distinct all white strips is confusing for casual fans of the sport).
Shorts and clash jumpers should be in one of the club colours.
If clubs have an overall colour clash, clubs without white should simply reverse the shorts - Tigers yellow, Hawks gold, Bombers red, etc. If that is not enough, reverse the jumper.
Why is it that the AFL says white does not clash but other colours do?
Why add white shorts to Hawthorn v Cats/Roos that are predominately white, but because WCE have a gold panel and white panel, we have to wear all white. It make no sense.
People say some of the reverse shorts combos looks bad but it just needs getting used to.
Nothing wrong with this
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If you'd seen old footage of the clubs highlighted wearing those coloured shorts, you wouldn't seriously be saying that.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Why do we need away jumpers? Surely if there is no clash a normal one would be best.

I agree, we have colour television and the grounds aren't bog heaps any more when it's wet.

 

[*PAF]

If you'd seen old footage of the clubs highlighted wearing those coloured shorts, you wouldn't seriously be saying that.

Yep, there was no difference between yellow and white on an old B&W TV.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Red shorts might not look ideal for Essendon but they'd look a lot better than White shorts IMO.

People have simply grown up with white shorts for away and that's all they know.

In a congested, contact sport like ours where half the time you could throw a blanket over 30 guys, shorts should always be the colour of the jumper. Essendon should wear black shorts at all times unless they are wearing a clash strip.

 

[caitsith01]

The stupid thing about this whole argument is that we KNOW what every club's basic jumper looks like.

Therefore, we don't need to design an 'away' strip for every club to take into account every possible clash that might theoretically occur.

So ALL that needs to happen is that the clubs and AFL agree a list of which clubs uniforms create a potential clash, then each club is required to produce an away strip which does not clash with any of the clubs with which they are 'paired'.

If this had been done then Richmond would have an away strip which didn't clash with Port's home strip. Problem solved.

It's not ****ing rocket science!

 

[The Speaker]

If you'd seen old footage of the clubs highlighted wearing those coloured shorts, you wouldn't seriously be saying that.

What's wrong with this:

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[Ice-Wolf]

What's wrong with this:

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It's the not matching the top that seems to be the issue not coloured shorts themselves, Sydney and Gold Cost coloured shorts look fine. Red Shorts don't seem to go as well with black tops as they do with white.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Interesting that you're coming over the top of clubs by implying that the AFL know what they're doing in the first place.

Not every club needs a white strip. The AFL needs to implement an effective and efficient policy that is applied consistently. Not one rule for VFL clubs and one for the rest. That's the reason the Port vs Richmond debacle happened in the first place.

I suggest the AFL consult an pro league from overseas to do it for them, because its obvious they don't have the required skills to do it themselves.

JFYI the old VFL clubs dont get preferential treatment

Reason we have our current clash jumper is Vlad called us FOUR DAYS before our Port match, and told us we would need a clash jumper before that game or we would be fined. The side bars was what we got out in time for the game

This idiocy in management by the AFL is screwing everyone up

 

[Papa G]

Just want to say I don't give a shit about what some overseas soccer league does. It's totally irrelevant. This is an Australian game played in Australia.

This really is a head in the sand xenophobic response. We have an issue, but I'll be damned if we'll follow what dem foreigners do, no matter how sensible and effective it is.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This really is a head in the sand xenophobic response. We have an issue, but I'll be damned if we'll follow what dem foreigners do, no matter how sensible and effective it is.

I think its more lets use our own brains and come up with our own solution - everything we do doesnt have to be done by the NFL or EPL

 

[Papa G]

I think its more lets use our own brains and come up with our own solution - everything we do doesnt have to be done by the NFL or EPL

Pretty much every league in every sport in the entire world do it. It was recognised years ago, and the solution was recognised years ago, not sure why people have a problem with it. More teams, more clashes. if you come from the position that there are no clashes, that's fine, but if you agree that some teams guernseys clash, the solution is ****ing simple. It's not a matter of copying other sports for the sake of it, it's copying them because it is sensible and it works.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Pretty much every league in every sport in the entire world do it. It was recognised years ago, and the solution was recognised years ago, not sure why people have a problem with it. More teams, more clashes. if you come from the position that there are no clashes, that's fine, but if you agree that some teams guernseys clash, the solution is ******* simple. It's not a matter of copying other sports for the sake of it, it's copying them because it is sensible and it works.

I'm not debating the need for clash jerseys, I'm debating the only solution is (1) make them all white, or (2) make them colours that have zero to do with your clubs traditional imagery

As I've said elsewhere. we are debating clash jumpers on our board now (for obvious reasons). Only 2 of 14 options proposed are white, and only 4 have cartoons or logos. The rest follow a model Port/Freo/WCE have used well - respect your traditions and maintain a jumper of similar colouring and designs the club has identified with.

We can do so much better than white and cartoon characters

 

[Purple Suit]

What's wrong with this:

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I think they should invert their jumper so it is red with a black sash. This would make it a lot more different to the Saints kit in the photo.

 

[Monkey King]

This really is a head in the sand xenophobic response. We have an issue, but I'll be damned if we'll follow what dem foreigners do, no matter how sensible and effective it is.

Resorting to labels like this is just rubbish. I've lived in foreign lands nearly half my adult life; adopting cultural subtleties and different languages. But damned if I return to Australia and demand others to forgo their own cultural expectations on the basis of having experienced perhaps superior practices in other cultures. The fact that soccer in some other country does their thing and it works for them is of no interest to me when it comes to this issue. It's irrelevent. What works for them, doesn't work for me. I like the idea of club colours. The Navy Blues. The Yellow and Black army. I like the idea of clubs being identified by their jumpers and the role this plays in club branding. I grew up on the idea of playing for your jumper and love seeing guys grabbing at or kissing their guernsey when pumped up after kicking a goal in a tight match. Culturally, these things are important to me and I truly don't give a stuff that soccer or some other sport does it differently. Good luck to them. I however, prefer the significance our game places on the jumper.

 

[Purple Suit]

Resorting to labels like this is just rubbish. I've lived in foreign lands nearly half my adult life; adopting cultural subtleties and different languages. But damned if I return to Australia and demand others to forgo their own cultural expectations on the basis of having experienced perhaps superior practices in other cultures. The fact that soccer in some other country does their thing and it works for them is of no interest to me when it comes to this issue. It's irrelevent. What works for them, doesn't work for me. I like the idea of club colours. The Navy Blues. The Yellow and Black army. I like the idea of clubs being identified by their jumpers and the role this plays in club branding. I grew up on the idea of playing for your jumper and love seeing guys grabbing at or kissing their guernsey when pumped up after kicking a goal in a tight match. Culturally, these things are important to me and I truly don't give a stuff that soccer or some other sport does it differently. Good luck to them. I however, prefer the significance our game places on the jumper.

All the clubs can keep their traditional colours. Just have a few designs that are 80%+ of one colour for clashes and it should be easy.

If teams had decent clash / away strips then white shorts shouldn't be required unless the team wears white or they want to over coloured shorts.

 

[Monkey King]

All the clubs can keep their traditional colours. Just have a few designs that are 80%+ of one colour for clashes and it should be easy.

I'm not saying don't look for a solution. I'm just saying I don't give a shit how other sports do it. We need to find our own solution that caters to the elements supporters love about their clubs and our code. No point saying "well ManU don't give a stuff, why should you".

 

[Docker Alyssa]

White shorts as a clash choice still makes sense. Jumper clashes are merchandise driven, but during a finals series both these clubs should be wearing home jumpers with the away team in white shorts. If the AFL hates tigers in white shorts, make port have white shorts. All good.

Who can't see white shorts over coloured when seeing a player??? Honestly who. This has been a non issue at every expansion and evolution of the game. Jumper sales drove it.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I think they should invert their jumper so it is red with a black sash. This would make it a lot more different to the Saints kit in the photo.

We wear a red sash.

And inverting it doesn't solve the "clash" with Melbourne.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Yep, there was no difference between yellow and white on an old B&W TV.

Funny thing is, apart from the fact that I knew who most of the players were, as a young bloke, I could always tell the difference between Collingwood and North players when tvs were only B&W. The white and dark shorts probably helped a bit with that but even without them you could tell by the jumpers.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

What's wrong with this:

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It looks poxy if you really want to know.

 

[*PAF]

Funny thing is, apart from the fact that I knew who most of the players were, as a young bloke, I could always tell the difference between Collingwood and North players when tvs were only B&W. The white and dark shorts probably helped a bit with that but even without them you could tell by the jumpers.

Yeah but the shorts helped in some of the long shots.
Can you imagine it nowadays with 30 players around the footy?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

L

Yeah but the shorts helped in some of the long shots.
Can you imagine it nowadays with 30 players around the footy?

lol, I'd love it, could you imagine people on here losing their minds?

The site would melt down every week.