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Minson won't & shouldn't be dropped right now....Eade is grandstanding a bit to try & get the most out of him.

Also, re-watch the 3rd qtr & you'll see Minson was pretty important--aside from the bad miss 25m out, if he kicked that he'd have had a great qtr.

He frustrates me too but i reckon he has to be ahead of Roughead for this season.
 
The Big Woofer said:
Minson won't & shouldn't be dropped right now....Eade is grandstanding a bit to try & get the most out of him.

Also, re-watch the 3rd qtr & you'll see Minson was pretty important--aside from the bad miss 25m out, if he kicked that he'd have had a great qtr.

He frustrates me too but i reckon he has to be ahead of Roughead for this season.
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Well said Big Woofer and Eade showed he understood this as well, by having Will take the initial centre bounces in the last. He really got us going out of the centre.

By the way Roughead is a very impressive young man who has what it takes. He is a natural leader and in 5 years we will be talking about him as a potential club captain.
 
bump I accidently bumped a Minson thread on the main forum when I was looking for one on the Bulldogs forum I'll just copy and paste what I wrote laziness:

He's been pretty good this year I think always there having an honest go worked his way back into the side performed well in the 2's and has continued on in the big time his field kicking seems to have improved and he isn't giving away those silly free kicks he's easily been our best ruck this year good for him I say :thumbsu:
 

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And I'll repeat what I said in the thread cc bumped on the main board.

Not every ruckman needs to be the best of the best.

Minson is a solid #1 ruckman who can offer a bit up forward.

Was marginally beaten in the ruck by Bailey on the weekend but contributed around the ground.
 
Gus said:
And I'll repeat what I said in the thread cc bumped on the main board.

Not every ruckman needs to be the best of the best.

Minson is a solid #1 ruckman who can offer a bit up forward.

Was marginally beaten in the ruck by Bailey on the weekend but contributed around the ground.
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This sums up the entire history of the bulldogs - in one post.

You don't have to be the best - true, you don't even have o win ?? - you just have to give something!!!

He is a spud and the quicker it is realised the better.

For the record.
1. he needs to win contests more than he loses.
2. he needs to contribute more in the ruck, around the ground and up forward than he does.
3. he needs to win his position more than occasionally.

Anything less and you are accepting mediocrity and allowing the loser mentality to infiltrate your psychy.

And a final statement. Yo0u find it acceptable that Minson can lose to a player who has played what 7 games in 4 years. Please.
 
I disagree that Minson was beaten by Bailey.

Hawthorn used a better system by continually having Lewis third man up to negate Will in the ruck.

Will was also injured early, coming off the ground about 5 mins in and struggling to walk. By the way he was moving immediately before and when he came off the ground, I suspect he suffered a corked buttock. The Physios spent a considerable time working on him to get him up and going.

Will got back on the ground and was a solid contributor.
 
linkman said:
This sums up the entire history of the bulldogs - in one post.

You don't have to be the best - true, you don't even have o win ?? - you just have to give something!!!

He is a spud and the quicker it is realised the better.

For the record.
1. he needs to win contests more than he loses.
2. he needs to contribute more in the ruck, around the ground and up forward than he does.
3. he needs to win his position more than occasionally.

Anything less and you are accepting mediocrity and allowing the loser mentality to infiltrate your psychy.

And a final statement. Yo0u find it acceptable that Minson can lose to a player who has played what 7 games in 4 years. Please.
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Would you rather see Roughead giving the same effort he did earlier on in the season?

Will Minson is not a spud. People like you judge him on a poor few games last year. He is the best ruckman we have, and would get a game in plenty of AFL sides.
 
Gus said:
Would you rather see Roughead giving the same effort he did earlier on in the season?

Will Minson is not a spud. People like you judge him on a poor few games last year. He is the best ruckman we have, and would get a game in plenty of AFL sides.
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Yes on roughy because he is the future.

I judge Will on 5 years in a non event career - last year just the icing on the cake. He does not take contested marks. His kicking is poor. He does not get to enough contests. He does not do 1 percenters.

A player who takes less han 1 contested mark a game, averages less than 10 disposals, kicks less than 0.2 goals a game, has more clangers on average than useful contributions- is a spud.

Please give me a stat that shows that he is not a spud. And dont use his hot outs to advantage - that is the value add of a basketballer not a footballer.

And for the record I have been a crutic of his for many years - not just 2010.

If he was shorter than 6 5 he would have been sacked years ago.
 
linkman said:
Yes on roughy because he is the future.

I judge Will on 5 years in a non event career - last year just the icing on the cake. He does not take contested marks. His kicking is poor. He does not get to enough contests. He does not do 1 percenters.

A player who takes less han 1 contested mark a game, averages less than 10 disposals, kicks less than 0.2 goals a game, has more clangers on average than useful contributions- is a spud.

Please give me a stat that shows that he is not a spud. And dont use his hot outs to advantage - that is the value add of a basketballer not a footballer.

And for the record I have been a crutic of his for many years - not just 2010.

If he was shorter than 6 5 he would have been sacked years ago.
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Where are you getting your stats from?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-western-bulldogs--will-minson
Minson's career averages:
10 disposals a game
0.5 goals a game
2.8 marks a game
12.9 hitouts a game


2011 averages:
13 disposals a game
0.8 goals a game
4.3 marks a game
22.2 hitouts a game

He is playing better than he ever has. Get off his back, he is the best ruck option we have and is just hitting his prime. We don't need an underdeveloped Roughead and an untried Cordy carrying our ruck division just yet. Open your eyes.
 
Gus,

Sorry but no I will not get off his back because he is not the long term future. I am already on record as saying that this year he has been better than average and his Richmond game was very good.

But the reality is that he struggles at AFL level apart from hitouts. And to quote Will:

WESTERN Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's 56 hit-outs against Collingwood on Sunday is the highest tally since Champion Data started recording statistics in 1999. Not that Minson is getting carried away.

"Hit-outs is one of the most useless statistics in football," he said on Tuesday. "If you win the hit-out but the opposition gets the ball, there's no point."

At best he is a good depth player and a very good VFL ruckman. I would rather rotate Williams, Cordy, Roughy through the rest of the year and free up a spot in the team than have Will running around embarrassing himself and us.

Stats that you provided show only that he is marginally up on his career. At a time when he is effectively first ruck against being number 2 and a forward which we know he is not good at. That is not good enough.

He should have been traded to the GC for whatever we could have got for him. Unlike his predecessor ruckman at the club Will won't be remembered for much other than he played a few uneventful games.
 
You are kidding me right?

We'd get absolutely smoked with those three taking the ruck. At least with Will, a great percentage of hitouts will go to the advantage of our midfielders. Williams is a total gimp in the ruck, and only slightly better around the ground. Roughead is 20 years old and not up to it yet. Cordy is untried.

How is letting them get ****ed in the arse week in week out helping their development? How is getting no service at all going to help our midfield, and subsequently our forwardline who recieve the ball from the midfielders, develop?

At least our defence will get a good run. I mean, we've already been beaten by 123. Why not go for 150?

I try and remain conservative, friendly and respectable on here. I don't want to ridicule anyone who offers a fair opinion but linkman, **** me you haven't really thought things through.

I can acknowledge that you see Will as not part of our future. But he is our best option now. Whether you like it or not. Roughead and Cordy are 21 ****ing years old. Ruckmen take ages to develop. Will is in his prime and can at least be competitive. I'd rather him as our #1 with Roughead and Cordy getting a taste as his backup until they are ready. I think anyone who has a reasonable grasp on reality would accept that. You don't.
 
I agree with Gus for once. Roughy and Ayce are barely competitive rucking in the VFL, and there is no bigger step up between the VFL and AFL than in the position of ruck.

I believe the two kids will be good players, but getting crunched at a young age week in week out by Jolly, Sandilands, Ottens, Mumfords et al is probably not going to help their development until they are actually ready for it.
 

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Why is Will not part of our long term plans? He's just turned 26 and is having his best season.

With his last year being a write off and having been put up for trade I have nothing but respect for the way Will has gone about his football this year. He's gotten fitter and his performances are showing that.

If he stays injury free he has at least four more years, maybe five at the top level to perform. As long as he keeps improving, which I think he will, then I don't see why he can't be a valuable player for us. In the meantime we can look for the perfect ruckman to play in the number one spot but until one really steps up and commands that, Will should stay.
 
linkman said:
Gus,

Sorry but no I will not get off his back because he is not the long term future. I am already on record as saying that this year he has been better than average and his Richmond game was very good.

But the reality is that he struggles at AFL level apart from hitouts. And to quote Will:

WESTERN Bulldogs ruckman Will Minson's 56 hit-outs against Collingwood on Sunday is the highest tally since Champion Data started recording statistics in 1999. Not that Minson is getting carried away.

"Hit-outs is one of the most useless statistics in football," he said on Tuesday. "If you win the hit-out but the opposition gets the ball, there's no point."

At best he is a good depth player and a very good VFL ruckman. I would rather rotate Williams, Cordy, Roughy through the rest of the year and free up a spot in the team than have Will running around embarrassing himself and us.

Stats that you provided show only that he is marginally up on his career. At a time when he is effectively first ruck against being number 2 and a forward which we know he is not good at. That is not good enough.

He should have been traded to the GC for whatever we could have got for him. Unlike his predecessor ruckman at the club Will won't be remembered for much other than he played a few uneventful games.
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Linkman is a long-time Minson hater and his opinions (and that's all they are - his statistics have been shown to be a fraud by Gus) should be judged as such.

By the look of his demeanour on the ground and at the trainings I have been to, Will is one of the few players that actually consistently mentors our younger pups. Not to mention he is a serviceable player. They can't all be Cox and Sandilands.

Let's be honest, our ruck division is the least of our worries at the moment. I don't understand why linkman would waste his time being critical of it. He should save his breath for our forward line.
 
linkman said:
Sorry but no I will not get off his back because he is not the long term future. I am already on record as saying that this year he has been better than average and his Richmond game was very good.
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I don't recall you being dead-set against Hudson joining the Crows or Bulldogs?

He started his career at the age Minson is at now - we should have thrown a blanket over him too?
 
With Cordy and Roughead being the future in the Ruck. Along with Jones and possibly Williams giving chop outs. I would expect us to get another developing Ruck in the draft. Does anyone think Minson has a future with us?
 
lindsay_bulldogs said:
With Cordy and Roughead being the future in the Ruck. Along with Jones and possibly Williams giving chop outs. I would expect us to get another developing Ruck in the draft. Does anyone think Minson has a future with us?
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I do. He is a mature hard body whereas the others you mention are still developing.
With a new coach in place I can see Minno leading the ruck next year with Roughy forward and a rucking option.
I don't like seeing Jones and Williams rucking. All that will happen is they will get an injury. They are too valuable as CHF and CHB.
From what I've seen of Cordy he is still a bit away physically from rucking.

Minson is required as far as I can see.

KM
 
lindsay_bulldogs said:
With Cordy and Roughead being the future in the Ruck. Along with Jones and possibly Williams giving chop outs. I would expect us to get another developing Ruck in the draft. Does anyone think Minson has a future with us?
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Ofcourse he does. Should be the number 1 ruck from Rd 1 next year. Roughead and Cordy would get absolutely mauled against the likes of Sandilands, Mumford, Goldstein etc. If Minson leaves, and Roughead is injured in Rd 1, then who rucks the rest of the year.

Jones and Williams shouldn't contest a centre bounce unless there is an injury to one of the ruckman during the game. It's a recipe for disaster.
 
jumpingjones said:
Definitely for at least the next two seasons. At his current playing level I don't think he'll be on the list in 4-5 years, but he could improve.
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Kennel Master said:
I do. He is a mature hard body whereas the others you mention are still developing.
With a new coach in place I can see Minno leading the ruck next year with Roughy forward and a rucking option.
I don't like seeing Jones and Williams rucking. All that will happen is they will get an injury. They are too valuable as CHF and CHB.
From what I've seen of Cordy he is still a bit away physically from rucking.

Minson is required as far as I can see.

KM
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Fair comments. We will need some depth for the next few years but with Will there I believe Cordy will struggle for opportunities unless Will is prepared to play seconds a lot.
 
Cordy will get dibbs on the number one ruck spot at Willi. Thats probably a good enough opportunity for the next 12-24 months until he's absolutely dominating the VFL. Still needs plenty of development time in the two's.

Edit: Maybe the master plan in 2014 is to have Cordy Back/ruck. Minson centre ruck. Roughy forward/ruck. Too top heavy?
 
Clearly B.O.G today in the Williamstown vs North Ballarat game. Had about 40 hitouts, 30 possession and a goal (maybe 2), all up against North Ballarat ruckmen Orren Stephenson who is no slouch at all.

He would easily have been in our best 22 if the sub rule wasn't brought in (IMO) . Last few games the club has done the right thing in giving Roughhead valuable AFL experience, but is not ready for no.1 ruck. With Hudson retiring, Minson should be giving no.1 ruck next year. Play Roughhead as the Forward/Ruck back-up.

Interestnly all four ruckmen have qualified for Williamstown to play in the finals (Minson, Roughhead, Hudson and Cordy). Defintly the team to beat
 
CrAckDoGGer said:
Clearly B.O.G today in the Williamstown vs North Ballarat game. Had about 40 hitouts, 30 possession and a goal (maybe 2), all up against North Ballarat ruckmen Orren Stephenson who is no slouch at all.

He would easily have been in our best 22 if the sub rule wasn't brought in (IMO) . Last few games the club has done the right thing in giving Roughhead valuable AFL experience, but is not ready for no.1 ruck. With Hudson retiring, Minson should be giving no.1 ruck next year. Play Roughhead as the Forward/Ruck back-up.

Interestnly all four ruckmen have qualified for Williamstown to play in the finals (Minson, Roughhead, Hudson and Cordy). Defintly the team to beat
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It's been the story of his season really.. consistently in the bests lists at Willi and consistently overlooked by Eade and the MC.

I highly doubt Will is shedding a tear over Eade's departure..
 

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