Will Sam Mitchell Get Slighted By The AA Selectors Again?

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Easily the best player to never win an AA.

His form this year has been outstanding. 7 striaght weeks of 30+ possessions.

Ranked 1st in disposals per game
Ranked 1st in uncontested possessions per game
Ranked 2nd in kicks per game
Ranked 7th in clearances per game
Ranked 8th in inside 50s per game
Ranked 10th in score assists per game
Ranked 16th in contested possessions per game

Will the AA selectors ovelook Sam Mitchell once again depsite his great form?

 

[Igloo]

Dont think so. He has been way too good for them to miss him again.

If he does miss, then there is surely some funny buggers going on in there.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Dont think so. He has been way too good for them to miss him again.

If he does miss, then there is surely some funny buggers going on in there.

I hope that's the case!

He has been in very good form for a lot of his career, but is always overlooked. He has arguably been very stiff to miss 3 times already.

If he misses this year, I call conspiracy.

 

[Blueboys7]

He won't miss, he has been great this year.

 

[the distributer]

Easily the best player to never win an AA.

His form this year has been outstanding. 7 striaght weeks of 30+ possessions.

Ranked 1st in disposals per game
Ranked 1st in uncontested possessions per game
Ranked 2nd in kicks per game
Ranked 8th in inside 50s per game
Ranked 9th in clearances per game
Ranked 10th in score assists per game
Ranked 16th in contested possessions per game

Will the AA selectors ovelook Sam Mitchell once again depsite his great form?

turnovers 9.7
Critical errors 3.9

Got those from pro stats, they can be unreliable.

He's been great this year, but there's a lot of good mids running around and the selectors tend to go for the dashing types, not saying their right or wrong but it's just the way it is, he does turn it over a lot to does sam, Swan has less turnovers according to pro stats and swan's been kicking like a goat.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

turnovers 9.7
Critical errors 3.9

Got those from pro stats, they can be unreliable.

Well of course he is going to have a higher rate of turnovers than most players. He is winning more of the ball than nayone else, and also a lot of it in heavy traffic. Still has close to 70% Disposal Eff, which is about AFL average or bit above.

Swan, Didak and Cloke are 1st, 3rd and 4th for Skill Errors per game in the whole comp. That's astounding considering how little Didak and Cloke get the ball compared to Mitchell.

 

[the distributer]

Well of course he is going to have a higher rate of turnovers than most players. He is winning more of the ball than nayone else, and also a lot of it in heavy traffic. Still has close to 70% Disposal Eff, which is about AFL average or bit above.

Swan, Didak and Cloke are 1st, 3rd and 4th for Skill Errors per game in the whole comp. That's astounding considering how little Didak and Cloke get the ball compared to Mitchell.

Is that average though or total?, to me collingwood players will always have a high turnover % because we're a long kicking team, you guys are a short kicking team so your turnover % should be lower, going by pro stats (and again, they can be unreliable or differnt to champion data) he turns the ball over 1 out of 3 times, that isn't great playing for a chip kicking team IMO, but hey, with turnover rates that high he should be odds on for the brownlow lol.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Is that average though or total?, to me collingwood players will always have a high turnover % because we're a long kicking team, you guys are a short kicking team so your turnover % should be lower, going by pro stats (and again, they can be unreliable or differnt to champion data) he turns the ball over 1 out of 3 times, that isn't great playing for a chip kicking team IMO.

That's the average per game according to pro stats

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2011&rt=LA&fc=E10

But Cloke being that high up? He only touches the ball 15 times a game and often has the chance to kick from marks he has taken. Shouldn't be making 3.9 skill errors a game from 15 touches, half of which come from marks. That would be the highest ratio of skill errors to possessions in the whole comp.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

And back to your point about turnovers. Have a look at the names around on that list. Ablett, Griffen, Black, Swan, Judd, Thompson, Pavlich. He gets more touches than all those guys this year.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?team_id=0&yr=2011&sp=SE&rt=LA&fc=F7

Judging by your initial response, you obviously don't think he should be AA. That's your opinion, let's just leave it at that and not turn this into a shitfight. Thank you.

 

[the distributer]

That's the average per game according to pro stats

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2011&rt=LA&fc=E10

But Cloke being that high up? He only touches the ball 15 times a game and often has the chance to kick from marks he has taken. Shouldn't be making 3.9 skill errors a game from 15 touches, half of which come from marks. That would be the highest ratio of skill errors to possessions in the whole comp.

but he kicks it 65 metres into the most heavily guarded aera on the ground, and he always bombs it long, that stat doesn't concern me that much with Cloke, Didaks kicking has been terrible since his injury and as i said Swans kicking like a Goat this year.

 

[the distributer]

And back to your point about turnovers. Have a look at the names around on that list. Ablett, Griffen, Black, Swan, Judd, Thompson, Pavlich. He gets more touches than all those guys this year.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?team_id=0&yr=2011&sp=SE&rt=LA&fc=F7

Judging by your initial response, you obviously don't think he should be AA. That's your opinion, let's just leave it at that and not turn this into a shitfight. Thank you.

I'm 50/50 TBH, don't care either way, he would probably feel a bit stiff if he missed out though seeing how he's put in a few AA worthy years in the past.

 

[Domenic Fotia]

Unfortunately for Sam Mitchell he is strictly an inside clearance player. In the past he would be competing against the likes of Lenny Hayes and Jobe Watson for that position.

With Hayes / Waton out injured and with Mitchell's form he should be rewarded. But to say he should have been in the past would be wrong.

The current day elite mid-fielders; Judd, Ablett, Swan, Pendelbury and Murphy can both win their own ball and run and carry. Makes them much more versitile to pick as they can also play wing or flanks.

If Mitchell does not play centre there is no other position for him.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Unfortunately for Sam Mitchell he is strictly an inside clearance player. In the past he would be competing against the likes of Lenny Hayes and Jobe Watson for that position.

With Hayes / Waton out injured and with Mitchell's form he should be rewarded. But to say he should have been in the past would be wrong.

The current day elite mid-fielders; Judd, Ablett, Swan, Pendelbury and Murphy can both win their own ball and run and carry. Makes them much more versitile to pick as they can also play wing or flanks.

If Mitchell does not play centre there is no other position for him.

Watson? Man really? Never been AA and has played 6 elite games in his whole life ( all this year ), never been voted/regarded in the top echelon by anyone before this year. Mitchell quite often ranks among the Top 10 to 25 players in the comp in media awards, Mike Sheehans Top 50 & the coaches award. He has been Top 10 in several media awards in the past 8 years.

He has had several excellent, elite seasons. There is no doubt, Luke Hodge and Lance Franklin are Hawthorns best players. Both have had multiple seasons where they are Top 10 players in the comp, but Mitchell isn't that far off them. Severely underrated.

 

[DapperDon]

If he misses this year then it's quite obvious that the members of the AA selection panel need to stop drinking and smoking buds before the decide on the team.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Unfortunately for Sam Mitchell he is strictly an inside clearance player. In the past he would be competing against the likes of Lenny Hayes and Jobe Watson for that position.

With Hayes / Waton out injured and with Mitchell's form he should be rewarded. But to say he should have been in the past would be wrong.

The current day elite mid-fielders; Judd, Ablett, Swan, Pendelbury and Murphy can both win their own ball and run and carry. Makes them much more versitile to pick as they can also play wing or flanks.

If Mitchell does not play centre there is no other position for him.

Wrong.

Mitchell has had stints across half-forward and across half-back especially in the last two-three seasons. He's a genuinely dual-sided player who hits targets.

He's a mortal lock for All-Australian this season.

 

[HeHateMe]

Deserves to be AA... gets underrated alot and named as only an inside player but us hawthorn people who watch him each week know he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

 

[gaz15]

Ridiculous that he has not been AA before. As a geelong supporter pointed out in another thread, Cameron Ling has a couple of AAs.

I might be wrong here but i think most would agree Mitchell is the superior footballer to Ling. Not a slight on Ling, is a very good player. But Mitchell has been in the best centremen and clearance players for the last 8 or so years.

If he misses out this year it is a Joke...

 

[Domenic Fotia]

Ridiculous that he has not been AA before. As a geelong supporter pointed out in another thread, Cameron Ling has a couple of AAs.

I might be wrong here but i think most would agree Mitchell is the superior footballer to Ling. Not a slight on Ling, is a very good player. But Mitchell has been in the best centremen and clearance players for the last 8 or so years.

If he misses out this year it is a Joke...

Best clearance player ? If talking strictly a clearance player I would rate Lenny Hayes above Mitchell.

Judd, Ablett, Swan, Selwood, Pendelbury and Murphy are also superior mid fielders to Mitchell as they can both win their own ball and run and carry.

Having said all that I think he will be picked in the AA team this year in the centre.

 

[Deledio_Judd]

He should get a gig in the midfield, or at least on the bench. If he wins the Brownlow this year he would be shattered.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Mitchell has been playing more of an outside game the last few years. If he were playing as a pure centre he would definitely be leading the clearances yet again.

 

[stevedarui]

Mitchell has been playing more of an outside game the last few years. If he were playing as a pure centre he would definitely be leading the clearances yet again.

An outside player who has a clanger 9% of the time he gets the footy and doesn't tackle.

Definitely should be AA.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

An outside player who has a clanger 9% of the time he gets the footy and doesn't tackle.

Definitely should be AA.

Disposals per game

Mitchell - 32.5
Murphy - 29

1st possessions per game -

Mitchell - 6.1
Murphy - 6.5

Clearances per game -

Mitchell - 6.1
Murphy - 5.8

Inside 50s

Mitchell - 5.1
Murphy - 4.8

Cont Poss -

Mitchell - 13.3
Murphy - 14.8

CB Clearances -

Mitchell - 2.7
Murphy - 1.5

Goal Assists -

Mitchell - 1.3
Murphy - 0.9

1%ers

Mitchell - 4.1
Murphy - 4.2

Tackles -

Mitchell - 3.9
Murphy - 4.6

Seems to stack up pretty well against Murphy in a lot of the key indicators for a mid this year eh.

 

[stevedarui]

Disposals per game

Mitchell - 32.5
Murphy - 29

1st possessions per game -

Mitchell - 6.1
Murphy - 6.5

Clearances per game -

Mitchell - 6.1
Murphy - 5.8

Inside 50s

Mitchell - 5.1
Murphy - 4.8

Cont Poss -

Mitchell - 13.3
Murphy - 14.8

CB Clearances -

Mitchell - 2.7
Murphy - 1.5

Goal Assists -

Mitchell - 1.3
Murphy - 0.9

1%ers

Mitchell - 4.1
Murphy - 4.2

Tackles -

Mitchell - 3.9
Murphy - 4.6

Seems to stack up pretty well against Murphy in a lot of the key indicators for a mid this year eh.

Mitchell 15 games 7 goals 44 clangers 67% DE 8 running bounces.
Murphy 17 games 19 goals 24 clangers 72% DE 26 running bounces.

Not so great there for an outside player.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Unfortunately for Sam Mitchell he is strictly an inside clearance player. In the past he would be competing against the likes of Lenny Hayes and Jobe Watson for that position.

With Hayes / Waton out injured and with Mitchell's form he should be rewarded. But to say he should have been in the past would be wrong.

The current day elite mid-fielders; Judd, Ablett, Swan, Pendelbury and Murphy can both win their own ball and run and carry. Makes them much more versitile to pick as they can also play wing or flanks.

If Mitchell does not play centre there is no other position for him.

You haven't been paying attention if you think that's the case. He's undoubtedly an inside mid, but he's also played in the back half and on the wing amongst other roles.

 

[Domenic Fotia]

Two things need to be said about this poll.

Sam Mitchell should be duely rewarded with AA selection this year. No one is denying this point.

The original question in this poll is loaded. What other year and ahead of who should he have been picked?

While he can play flank / wing he is not an elite outside running player. In my opinion and obviously also that of the AA selectors is that Mitchell needs to play in the centre as an inside mid.

In past years I think Lenny Hayes would have been picked in this role in front of Mitchell and that would be a correct selection.