Game Day World Cup 2018

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domiroo said:
Couldn’t get a goal in open play . The media talk them up and there opponents down .
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Sure, but the other teams in our group only got 2 goals each in open play.

You're right about the media. Peru are ranked 11th in the world and they didn't make it through to the next round. We had a very tough draw.
 
kangatime said:
Sure, but the other teams in our group only got 2 goals each in open play.

You're right about the media. Peru are ranked 11th in the world and they didn't make it through to the next round. We had a very tough draw.
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We did. When you get drawn against two European sides and one South American team, it's going to be tough given how hard qualification in their confeds are.

Criticism of Van Marwijk is off the mark. The side was well prepared and created enough possession and chances to win. He did all he could although Luongo and Jedinak should've shared time in one of the midfield spots. We just lack the class to convert chances consistently. Arzani provided that but the kid doesn't have the tank yet.

Craig Foster has already started carrying on that we should've played a more attacking style. We had 2 years doing that under Ange in qualification and played poorly, barely qualified. Craig has to accept that we don't currently have enough class to convert opportunities against high quality defences, no matter what system.
 
arden station said:
We did. When you get drawn against two European sides and one South American team, it's going to be tough given how hard qualification in their confeds are.

Criticism of Van Marwijk is off the mark. The side was well prepared and created enough possession and chances to win. He did all he could although Luongo and Jedinak should've shared time in one of the midfield spots. We just lack the class to convert chances consistently. Arzani provided that but the kid doesn't have the tank yet.

Craig Foster has already started carrying on that we should've played a more attacking style. We had 2 years doing that under Ange in qualification and played poorly, barely qualified. Craig has to accept that we don't currently have enough class to convert opportunities against high quality defences, no matter what system.
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all good points. Not only that, we can get burnt by teams with speed if we press to high.
 

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arden station said:
We did. When you get drawn against two European sides and one South American team, it's going to be tough given how hard qualification in their confeds are.

Criticism of Van Marwijk is off the mark. The side was well prepared and created enough possession and chances to win. He did all he could although Luongo and Jedinak should've shared time in one of the midfield spots. We just lack the class to convert chances consistently. Arzani provided that but the kid doesn't have the tank yet.

Craig Foster has already started carrying on that we should've played a more attacking style. We had 2 years doing that under Ange in qualification and played poorly, barely qualified. Craig has to accept that we don't currently have enough class to convert opportunities against high quality defences, no matter what system.
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Foster was right, that our performance lacked courage. People are banging on like we did the right thing under Bert and played the Paul Roos gameplan of fill the side with stodge and pile everyone in the defensive half so it makes it hard for the opposition to score. I am surprised we just didn't line up the entire squad along the goal line and said, have at it boys.

The reality is that there are only a small handful of sides that are capable of winning the world cup and some of those don't even qualify because it is very difficult to qualify as a European or South American team. A little bit of bad luck during the qualifiers and they are completely ****ed. We bumbled our way through the qualifiers and still made it because Asia is just a shitful standard by comparison.

For the vast majority of nations, just making it to the world cup is in itself the victory and they celebrate that victory by going out and try and kick some goals and perhaps upset the odd side. What do we do... lets play eye bleeding football... for what? So we can perhaps progress to round of 16? Maybe fluke a quarter final. What an indictment to football that attitude is.

We ****ing made the world cup, we have a legend on Australian Soccer on the pine for 2 and half games and one of the most promising kids we have developed in a long time brought on in junk time every game. For what? To go down 2-1 vs France. Brave effort. Draw 1-1 vs Denmark. Brave effort. Lose 2-0 vs Peru. Brave effort.

World Cup 2018 set football back in Australia decades, if anyone thinks that crap is going to inspire some kid to put down the AFL football or the Ruby football and give soccer a try they are kidding themselves. We have one of the worst soccer youth development programs in the world, instead of paying FIFA bribes to try and host the world cup, Australia needs to sink every cent they can muster into junior development, we need a similar approach to how Germany built their 2014 world cup squad from youth.

We keep bringing in foreign coaches like Bert, but we should be targeting foreign administrators who have had success with overhauling a nation from junior development upwards.

Our major flaw is we are WAY too slow, we produce too many slow one paced stodgy players who have no speed and have no agility and have mediocre footskills. When they get the ball they just run straight and if someone is in the way we invariably just run into the opposition and lose the ball, plodders like Kruse and Leckie. If we want to do anything in the world cup in 2022 or more realistically 2026, we have to start building right now the type of players that are going to do more than get through the qualifiers.

We should be taking soccer to the indigenous communities, can you imagine a Rioli with the round ball? Someone who is fast and can weave through traffic. How many shots did we put on from outside the box that were on target, zero? You need guys that can cannon in shots from well outside the box, it is pathetic to see guys like Leckie bumble his way to the box and eh eh eh dinkle a little kick like he is a leper and is afraid of his foot flying off. Holy shit, how did these guys get to be the best we can possibly produce? Leckie and Kruse should be C team calibre players.

We need to get these development people into all the regions where our African migrants are settling in, we need to develop some speed, we need to develop some power, we need flair. That is what can win you a world cup, that is what can inspire a nation. What we have done the last four to eight years has been an embarrassment and everyone associated with it should be fired.

This boys club is just going to do nothing other than go through the motions. ****ing Arnold, we have no ****ing hope.
 
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We need to fix our backyard first. A-league needs expansion. We need 2nd division. We need to increase the cap so we can bring in bigger overseas stars to raise league's profile. Higher profile means higher participation at grass roots level.
 
kangatime said:
**** off. We had 3 teams from the top 12 in the world and we played well in every game. A ******* long way from embarrassing.
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Peru had nothing to play for. We couldnt even get a result in a dead rubber for them.
Either I expect more but really to not score in open play the whole tournament is embarrassing.
 
Only due to my small investment, and probably the kiss of death for them now, Viva Mexico :D
 
tazaa said:
Peru had nothing to play for. We couldnt even get a result in a dead rubber for them.
Either I expect more but really to not score in open play the whole tournament is embarrassing.
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If you think Peru had nothing to play for then you grossly underestimate how big football is in their country. Do you think they looked like a team that had nothing to play for? Peru are ranked 11th and they couldn't even score a goal against France and Denmark!
 
kangatime said:
Sure, but the other teams in our group only got 2 goals each in open play.

You're right about the media. Peru are ranked 11th in the world and they didn't make it through to the next round. We had a very tough draw.
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Yes
 
Tas said:
Foster was right, that our performance lacked courage. People are banging on like we did the right thing under Bert and played the Paul Roos gameplan of fill the side with stodge and pile everyone in the defensive half so it makes it hard for the opposition to score. I am surprised we just didn't line up the entire squad along the goal line and said, have at it boys.

The reality is that there are only a small handful of sides that are capable of winning the world cup and some of those don't even qualify because it is very difficult to qualify as a European or South American team. A little bit of bad luck during the qualifiers and they are completely ******. We bumbled our way through the qualifiers and still made it because Asia is just a shitful standard by comparison.

For the vast majority of nations, just making it to the world cup is in itself the victory and they celebrate that victory by going out and try and kick some goals and perhaps upset the odd side. What do we do... lets play eye bleeding football... for what? So we can perhaps progress to round of 16? Maybe fluke a quarter final. What an indictment to football that attitude is.

We ******* made the world cup, we have a legend on Australian Soccer on the pine for 2 and half games and one of the most promising kids we have developed in a long time brought on in junk time every game. For what? To go down 2-1 vs France. Brave effort. Draw 1-1 vs Denmark. Brave effort. Lose 2-0 vs Peru. Brave effort.

World Cup 2018 set football back in Australia decades, if anyone thinks that crap is going to inspire some kid to put down the AFL football or the Ruby football and give soccer a try they are kidding themselves. We have one of the worst soccer youth development programs in the world, instead of paying FIFA bribes to try and host the world cup, Australia needs to sink every cent they can muster into junior development, we need a similar approach to how Germany built their 2014 world cup squad from youth.

We keep bringing in foreign coaches like Bert, but we should be targeting foreign administrators who have had success with overhauling a nation from junior development upwards.

Our major flaw is we are WAY too slow, we produce too many slow one paced stodgy players who have no speed and have no agility and have mediocre footskills. When they get the ball they just run straight and if someone is in the way we invariably just run into the opposition and lose the ball, plodders like Kruse and Leckie. If we want to do anything in the world cup in 2022 or more realistically 2026, we have to start building right now the type of players that are going to do more than get through the qualifiers.

We should be taking soccer to the indigenous communities, can you imagine a Rioli with the round ball? Someone who is fast and can weave through traffic. How many shots did we put on from outside the box that were on target, zero? You need guys that can cannon in shots from well outside the box, it is pathetic to see guys like Leckie bumble his way to the box and eh eh eh dinkle a little kick like he is a leper and is afraid of his foot flying off. Holy shit, how did these guys get to be the best we can possibly produce? Leckie and Kruse should be C team calibre players.

We need to get these development people into all the regions where our African migrants are settling in, we need to develop some speed, we need to develop some power, we need flair. That is what can win you a world cup, that is what can inspire a nation. What we have done the last four to eight years has been an embarrassment and everyone associated with it should be fired.

This boys club is just going to do nothing other than go through the motions. ******* Arnold, we have no ******* hope.
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We created enough chances playing Bert's system against Denmark and Peru and controlled the play for long enough but we simply did not have the quality to make the last pass count or put the ball away. We could've been 3-0 up in the first 20 minutes against Peru.

So many times our players took a heavy touch around the box, did not cross the ball well, didn't take and didn't pass it well. That's not a game style issue, that's a class issue. But who is surprised? Our players' $ worth was way lower than all the other sides in the group for a reason. They aren't just going to suddenly become world class because we press higher.

Craig Foster's perpetual game style criticism - as though it's the 'truth' is utter garbage. When we played well against Denmark in the second half he tried to take credit. No Craig, we were playing Bert's system, not yours. Then he conveniently forgets that we dominated possession against Peru, created chance after chance after chance but oh no, it's a game style issue. Not buying it, never will. Arzani and Cahill should've been on from the start and Luongo too but they weren't and we were simply outclassed up front.
 

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arden station said:
We created enough chances playing Bert's system against Denmark and Peru and controlled the play for long enough but we simply did not have the quality to make the last pass count or put the ball away. We could've been 3-0 up in the first 20 minutes against Peru.
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No, we couldn't have. We could replay those chances a hundred times over and the likely outcome would have been the same result. You actually have to be able to consistently be on target to be any chance whatsoever to score... that is the hard part, low probability crosses are easy to do.

We had more yellow cards against us than shots on target, mate that is deplorable no matter the gulf of talent between two national sides.

So many times our players took a heavy touch around the box, did not cross the ball well, didn't take and didn't pass it well. That's not a game style issue, that's a class issue. But who is surprised? Our players' $ worth was way lower than all the other sides in the group for a reason. They aren't just going to suddenly become world class because we press higher.
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That is a cop out, your Ferrari is worth a lot more than your Ford Falcon but both can get from A to B. The difference is class and style. What we ****ed up was a lot of regulation passes and what should have been some regulation shots, not feats of class. The vast majority of goals that are scored are scored from executing the basics well.

When you do not have a proper consistent system of attack you don't have the same results that you get when you do things consistently, like Cahill was been played for 5 minutes in this world cup and he lead to a great position on-side to finish but the cross to him missed him by a mile, you don't need a Ronaldo to make that cross to Cahill. We ****ed with our system that we had played with for years and because of it we didn't function well in attack.

Craig Foster's perpetual game style criticism - as though it's the 'truth' is utter garbage. When we played well against Denmark in the second half he tried to take credit. No Craig, we were playing Bert's system, not yours. Then he conveniently forgets that we dominated possession against Peru, created chance after chance after chance but oh no, it's a game style issue. Not buying it, never will. Arzani and Cahill should've been on from the start and Luongo too but they weren't and we were simply outclassed up front.
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Foster tried to take credit, wtf? Foster has always been blindly loyal and optimistic, to the point of making excuses for our lack of results, the Peru loss was just the straw that broke the camel's back for him. Denmark and Peru weren't very good and France is a renown incompetent starter in world cups that are easily put off their game when put on the back foot. We just played a Ross Lyon style of game that is hard to watch, hard to win with it, once you concede a goal with an inept forward setup the game is as good as over.

That is the problem, Cahill and Arzani are bad subs to make, it is not just a matter of the lack of game time and opportunity or that they felt rushed to try and make something happen, it is we left bad options on for so long and then had to burn most of our subs on bringing Cahill and Arzani on when we had other problems in the middle, by the time we brought them on our run was shot. The whole mindset of our game plan was problematic.

I think going forward the FFA needs to have a hard look at player development, we should look to poach some of the german administrators that oversaw the rebuild of Germany's world cup squad for 2014, we need to be looking forward 4-8 years, we need to encourage A-League leagues to play more aggressive, push hard on developing more strikers, just praying an Arzani pops up by chance isn't really good enough, nobody in our entire squad would make the Belgium B team and they only have a population of 11 million.

These countries don't develop good squads by chance alone, we need to do the hard work and stop hoping for luck with players who come out of nowhere.
 
The golden generation team was a consequence of good results at World Youth Cup(u19) and Olympic tournaments(u23) in the 80's and 90's. Over the last 15 years we've made little impact in these tournaments and consequently our playing stocks have somewhat diminished. We also had traditional soccer clubs like South Melbourne, Melb Knights, Syd Utd, Marconi, Adl City etc that somehow were producing on the smell of an oily rag the likes of Viduka, Emerton, Popovic, Neil, Aloisi, Okon, Zelic, Moore, Simunic.....the list goes on. These guys were making debuts at 17/18 and dominating. Age didn't matter if they were producing the goods. That calibre of player isn't coming through anymore unfortunately. There are less opportunities for them nowdays. A League clubs would rather re-cycle a Matt Simon than throw in an 18 year old.
It basically boils down to the fact we don't take youth development seriously in this country. The FFA in all their wise wisdom disbanded the NYL after a few seasons due to costs. Doing well in youth tournaments isn't given priority. Call me cynical but why should they burden the cost of a proper youth development system when they know it's not too hard to qualify for the WC nowdays via Asia even with a crap squads like we've had at the last 2. When the tournament increases to 48 countries then qualifying will be guaranteed for us. The FFA know that every 4 years they'll get their WC cheque from FIFA, sponsors will be queuing up with cash and interest/hype generated. Basically we don't need to spend big on producing top class players to qualify for WC when we're virtually guaranteed a spot. The FFA are essentially just happy to plod along. Until we take youth development seriously it'll be the same old scenario every 4 years.
 
Jindrrk said:
Sack Low!!!!1111!!!11!!!

Heh pathetic. Never seen such a poor performed German team.
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Yeah, gutten nacht!

The shit storm which will follow their exit will make ours look like a tea party.
 
Tas said:
No, we couldn't have. We could replay those chances a hundred times over and the likely outcome would have been the same result. You actually have to be able to consistently be on target to be any chance whatsoever to score... that is the hard part, low probability crosses are easy to do.

I think going forward the FFA needs to have a hard look at player development, we should look to poach some of the german administrators that oversaw the rebuild of Germany's world cup squad for 2014, we need to be looking forward 4-8 years, we need to encourage A-League leagues to play more aggressive, push hard on developing more strikers, just praying an Arzani pops up by chance isn't really good enough, nobody in our entire squad would make the Belgium B team and they only have a population of 11 million.

These countries don't develop good squads by chance alone, we need to do the hard work and stop hoping for luck with players who come out of nowhere.
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1. Yes too true.

2. It's why I was so keen on Klinsmann. Knows Euro football well and coached close to that time before Low and he also knows South American football well due to coaching USA......and a similar nation to ours in terms of a country that doesn't have soccer/football as the number 1 sport. USA played quite dynamically under him and he would of suited well. But they went with Burt who is kind of the opposite IMO.

Oh well. I doubt Arnold will go anywhere with us. We need a long term coach from OS...
 
Twinkletoes said:
Yeah, gutten nacht!

The shit storm which will follow their exit will make ours look like a tea party.
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Well they're my second team so I am pretty pissed off about it too heh. You kind of had to find a second when you had been watching since 1986.

Now I dont think I have any team that I want to follow to win. Maybe Russia as I like the underdog and have a number of Russian friends. But they'll go out next game.
 
Italy and Germany can join Italy Holland and USA at the bar now
 

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