Game Day World Cup 2018

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kangatime said:
If you think Peru had nothing to play for then you grossly underestimate how big football is in their country. Do you think they looked like a team that had nothing to play for? Peru are ranked 11th and they couldn't even score a goal against France and Denmark!
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All South American football nations are football mad. Based on the circumstances in front of us to not get a result is disappointing.
Stop trying to sugarcoat the loss like we were playing a powerhouse nation.
 
tazaa said:
All South American football nations are football mad. Based on the circumstances in front of us to not get a result is disappointing.
Stop trying to sugarcoat the loss like we were playing a powerhouse nation.
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never said the result wasn't disappointing. What I said was that it was far from embarrassing and despite Peru not being able to go through to the next round they had a lot to play for.

We gave France, one of the favorites for the cup, a real shake and it was only a lucky own goal that gave them the win.
 
tazaa said:
All South American football nations are football mad. Based on the circumstances in front of us to not get a result is disappointing.
Stop trying to sugarcoat the loss like we were playing a powerhouse nation.
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Stop trying to think Australia will ever win the cup anytime soon . The Australian media has hyped the Socceroos up for years and people think we are some sort of power house ourselves . The only reason Australia has made it since 2006 is because we joined Asia otherwise it would’ve been hit and miss . Yeah
 

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Saw result Sweden 3, Mexico 0 and tossed my ticket on Mexico in the bin, nekminnet, still alive :p
 
Tas said:
No, we couldn't have. We could replay those chances a hundred times over and the likely outcome would have been the same result.
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So you're saying that playing a 4-3-2-1 and not pressing high meant that we wouldn't have taken those opportunities against Peru and Denmark 100 times over? Is that because they weren't real opportunities? Or they were but we couldn't do the basics right of sticking the last pass and putting them away as a result and somehow that was a result of the system we were playing?

Spare me. The reason guys like Kruse and Behich didn't stick the last pass/cross despite the amount of possession we had deep down the left is because they're just not that good, not at that level. They're average to decent professional footballers who play in second tier European leagues. If they were better, they'd play at bigger clubs. And Juric, he scores in around 1 in 4 games in the Swiss league - nothing startling.

If we had any top class quality on the wings or as striker, we would've scored playing that system, from those opportunities. That Cahill as a 38 year old in the late twilight of his career was the best option is indicative. Arzani the same except at the opposite end. Yet they would've made more of those good chances.

All these critics come out every 4 years outraged. Craig Foster criticised Ang playing a high press, 3 at the back, now wants a peice of Van Marjwik.

Let's blame the formation and tactics, even though we had plenty of possession in the opposition's third and had good chances. And when we played a high press for 2 years in qualification we were poor against average opposition.

Let's blame the players for not doing the 'basics' of making the last pass and scoring against top defences.

Hang on, let's blame the players for not turning into elite talent playing for Australia in the World Cup when they're B and C graders at club land.

The whole thing is unAustralian, where's the Aussie spirit? We're a superior sporting nation. Who cares if most of our elite junior sports talent still plays AFL, NRL etc whereas most countries at the World Cup, like Belgium exclusively play football and a bit of tennis. We should still be better I tell ya, it's unAustralian, what a cop out.

Howabout just realising and accepting that other countries are better than us, have better players who grew up with a whole cohort of kids playing soccer morning, lunch and night, developing their skills, a football glued to their foot like Arzani before he got to Australia, not a Sherrin in sight. And it's not a national disgrace, they did their best. See what European administrators can do about that - not very much.

Every 4 years, expectations of miracles and jingoistic ignorance of how good other countries are, how important elite talent is and how national pride, spirit, while counting for something, is pretty insignificant when you consider that other nations have just as much.
 
arden station said:
S like Belgium exclusively play football and a bit of tennis.
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agree with mos of that, but this is bit is just silly.

Their hockey team is ranked 3rd in the world, and they've been known to have the odd cyclist, skier and basket baller! Sure they don't have other football codes to pull players away, but they also have half the population of us.

Our biggest issue is getting kids into elite football academies. We haven't made the last two U20 World Cups. Our youth development has gone to poo.

I once watched a great doco about the "talent Scouts" that would pull kids out of Africa and take them to Europe for academy trials. If they didn't get selected these scouts would just disown them and leave them on the streets to fend for them selves. It was slave trading! Bloody hard for kids to get into Europe so we need to look elsewhere. I don't know what the answer is, but hoping someone does!
 
You are missing the point
They focus on soccer
They love soccer
Just conjuring up some academy , not saying it will hurt, but all these other countries are on to us
Look at the Poms and the cycling
Personally I can't believe that 10 South American countries wldnt kick our arse
Pretty severely at that
 
arden station said:
So you're saying that playing a 4-3-2-1 and not pressing high meant that we wouldn't have taken those opportunities against Peru and Denmark 100 times over? Is that because they weren't real opportunities? Or they were but we couldn't do the basics right of sticking the last pass and putting them away as a result and somehow that was a result of the system we were playing?

Spare me. The reason guys like Kruse and Behich didn't stick the last pass/cross despite the amount of possession we had deep down the left is because they're just not that good, not at that level. They're average to decent professional footballers who play in second tier European leagues. If they were better, they'd play at bigger clubs. And Juric, he scores in around 1 in 4 games in the Swiss league - nothing startling.

If we had any top class quality on the wings or as striker, we would've scored playing that system, from those opportunities. That Cahill as a 38 year old in the late twilight of his career was the best option is indicative. Arzani the same except at the opposite end. Yet they would've made more of those good chances.

All these critics come out every 4 years outraged. Craig Foster criticised Ang playing a high press, 3 at the back, now wants a peice of Van Marjwik.

Let's blame the formation and tactics, even though we had plenty of possession in the opposition's third and had good chances. And when we played a high press for 2 years in qualification we were poor against average opposition.

Let's blame the players for not doing the 'basics' of making the last pass and scoring against top defences.

Hang on, let's blame the players for not turning into elite talent playing for Australia in the World Cup when they're B and C graders at club land.

The whole thing is unAustralian, where's the Aussie spirit? We're a superior sporting nation. Who cares if most of our elite junior sports talent still plays AFL, NRL etc whereas most countries at the World Cup, like Belgium exclusively play football and a bit of tennis. We should still be better I tell ya, it's unAustralian, what a cop out.

Howabout just realising and accepting that other countries are better than us, have better players who grew up with a whole cohort of kids playing soccer morning, lunch and night, developing their skills, a football glued to their foot like Arzani before he got to Australia, not a Sherrin in sight. And it's not a national disgrace, they did their best. See what European administrators can do about that - not very much.

Every 4 years, expectations of miracles and jingoistic ignorance of how good other countries are, how important elite talent is and how national pride, spirit, while counting for something, is pretty insignificant when you consider that other nations have just as much.
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Yup. Nailed it.
 
Reginald0 said:
You are missing the point
They focus on soccer
They love soccer
Just conjuring up some academy , not saying it will hurt, but all these other countries are on to us
Look at the Poms and the cycling
Personally I can't believe that 10 South American countries wldnt kick our arse
Pretty severely at that
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I know a lot of kids that play soccer, my daughter amongst them. Those that play it love it and focus on it. One of my sons mates comes down sometimes to watch him play footy but always brings a soccer ball with him! Got another mates kids in the state footsal team and he just lives soccer and nothing else.

My guess is that European junior clubs, state teams, school teams and academies play in competitions against other European countries, not just with in their own country. We need to expose our juniors to more elite development opportunities. I have no idea if youth squads from Japan, Korea and China are coming to AUS or if our kids are going up there. If not then more of this needs to happen.
 
arden station said:
So you're saying that playing a 4-3-2-1 and not pressing high meant that we wouldn't have taken those opportunities against Peru and Denmark 100 times over? Is that because they weren't real opportunities? Or they were but we couldn't do the basics right of sticking the last pass and putting them away as a result and somehow that was a result of the system we were playing?

Spare me. The reason guys like Kruse and Behich didn't stick the last pass/cross despite the amount of possession we had deep down the left is because they're just not that good, not at that level. They're average to decent professional footballers who play in second tier European leagues. If they were better, they'd play at bigger clubs. And Juric, he scores in around 1 in 4 games in the Swiss league - nothing startling.

If we had any top class quality on the wings or as striker, we would've scored playing that system, from those opportunities. That Cahill as a 38 year old in the late twilight of his career was the best option is indicative. Arzani the same except at the opposite end. Yet they would've made more of those good chances.

All these critics come out every 4 years outraged. Craig Foster criticised Ang playing a high press, 3 at the back, now wants a peice of Van Marjwik.

Let's blame the formation and tactics, even though we had plenty of possession in the opposition's third and had good chances. And when we played a high press for 2 years in qualification we were poor against average opposition.

Let's blame the players for not doing the 'basics' of making the last pass and scoring against top defences.

Hang on, let's blame the players for not turning into elite talent playing for Australia in the World Cup when they're B and C graders at club land.

The whole thing is unAustralian, where's the Aussie spirit? We're a superior sporting nation. Who cares if most of our elite junior sports talent still plays AFL, NRL etc whereas most countries at the World Cup, like Belgium exclusively play football and a bit of tennis. We should still be better I tell ya, it's unAustralian, what a cop out.

Howabout just realising and accepting that other countries are better than us, have better players who grew up with a whole cohort of kids playing soccer morning, lunch and night, developing their skills, a football glued to their foot like Arzani before he got to Australia, not a Sherrin in sight. And it's not a national disgrace, they did their best. See what European administrators can do about that - not very much.

Every 4 years, expectations of miracles and jingoistic ignorance of how good other countries are, how important elite talent is and how national pride, spirit, while counting for something, is pretty insignificant when you consider that other nations have just as much.
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You are missing the point... completely.

What we did was akin to say Brad Scott taking us into the top 8 then cracking the shits and leaving on the eave of finals then for us to bring in Ross Lyon for the finals and he tries to change everything on the cusp of finals, it isn't going to work even if what you are trying to implement is going to be better in the long run... and Ross Lyon knows we have appointed a different coach for the following year, so what is the point of ****ing everything up because you aren't going to be running the show long-term.

Do we have the players to win games playing Berts way? no. We won some friendlies against teams that weren't trying, that was it.

We were NEVER going to win the 2018 world cup no matter which configuration we played or which players we played, we just don't have the talent to pull it off. For us, making the world cup is the pinnacle of our achievement over the last four years. So how do you want to celebrate that? By taking the opposition on and showcasing the talent we do have or are we going to try and cockblock sides which we know it is only a matter of time until someone with real talent through our defence? We lost an opportunity to inspire the next generation to want to play soccer.

We had some good opportunities vs Peru and the main difference in the second half is we had Cahill who was in a good position to convert had the ball been better. That happens, if scoring was easy we would see larger scores in general but for the most part we chose to field a side that realistically couldn't score outside of a penalty.

It is a mindset issue as to why Cahill and others not only didn't play much this world cup let alone start off games. If we had 4 years to develop a cockblock game and develop a rock solid defence and it is how we qualified for the world cup then sure you can say hey, lets take it to the next level but that isn't how we made it.

If we retained Ange and played the same way would the end result have been any different? Probably not, we probably would have conceded more goals because our defenders aren't that great, but I think we would have scored a lot more than we did and we would have scored from play. We gutted a legend of Australian Soccer and we played ugly football, as soon as Peru got their first goal relatively early in the first half most of the people following the game day thread bailed and went to sleep, they knew we were incapable of scoring two goals with what, 70 minutes of football. That is an indictment at this level, if you go to the world cup and field a side that can't score you are better off not coming at all.
 

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Tas said:
You are missing the point... completely.

What we did was akin to say Brad Scott taking us into the top 8 then cracking the shits and leaving on the eave of finals then for us to bring in Ross Lyon for the finals and he tries to change everything on the cusp of finals, it isn't going to work even if what you are trying to implement is going to be better in the long run... and Ross Lyon knows we have appointed a different coach for the following year, so what is the point of ******* everything up because you aren't going to be running the show long-term.

Do we have the players to win games playing Berts way? no. We won some friendlies against teams that weren't trying, that was it.

We were NEVER going to win the 2018 world cup no matter which configuration we played or which players we played, we just don't have the talent to pull it off. For us, making the world cup is the pinnacle of our achievement over the last four years. So how do you want to celebrate that? By taking the opposition on and showcasing the talent we do have or are we going to try and cockblock sides which we know it is only a matter of time until someone with real talent through our defence? We lost an opportunity to inspire the next generation to want to play soccer.

We had some good opportunities vs Peru and the main difference in the second half is we had Cahill who was in a good position to convert had the ball been better. That happens, if scoring was easy we would see larger scores in general but for the most part we chose to field a side that realistically couldn't score outside of a penalty.

It is a mindset issue as to why Cahill and others not only didn't play much this world cup let alone start off games. If we had 4 years to develop a cockblock game and develop a rock solid defence and it is how we qualified for the world cup then sure you can say hey, lets take it to the next level but that isn't how we made it.

If we retained Ange and played the same way would the end result have been any different? Probably not, we probably would have conceded more goals because our defenders aren't that great, but I think we would have scored a lot more than we did and we would have scored from play. We gutted a legend of Australian Soccer and we played ugly football, as soon as Peru got their first goal relatively early in the first half most of the people following the game day thread bailed and went to sleep, they knew we were incapable of scoring two goals with what, 70 minutes of football. That is an indictment at this level, if you go to the world cup and field a side that can't score you are better off not coming at all.
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you're a bit off there. Changing configuration isn't anywhere near a kin to the Lyon scenario you suggest. These guys play and have played a variety of configurations through out their careers. If we had played 3 across the back we would have constantly been picking balls out of the back net.

France won because of a ****ing lucky own goal. We drew with Denmark. We didn't take our chances against Peru (which in the end didn't matter anyway) We lacked some class but we also just had an unlucky time. That second goal against us in the Peru match took 2 deflections!
 
tazaa said:
Peru had nothing to play for. We couldnt even get a result in a dead rubber for them.
Either I expect more but really to not score in open play the whole tournament is embarrassing.
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Each player in Peru's front third is a cut above each player in ours. We can talk about who had more to play for and call our attacking output embarrassing etc, but I think our current squad probably delivered just about what it's capable of. The good thing is with the likes of Arzani, Pasquali, Italiano, Theoharous etc, there's a bit to work with for the next cycle. The not so good thing is the guy tasked with bringing them through...
 
kangatime said:
never said the result wasn't disappointing. What I said was that it was far from embarrassing and despite Peru not being able to go through to the next round they had a lot to play for.

We gave France, one of the favorites for the cup, a real shake and it was only a lucky own goal that gave them the win.
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I think we should have given a far better account of ourselves in the final group game. Just my opinion. We went out with barely a shot fire.

domiroo said:
Stop trying to think Australia will ever win the cup anytime soon . The Australian media has hyped the Socceroos up for years and people think we are some sort of power house ourselves . The only reason Australia has made it since 2006 is because we joined Asia otherwise it would’ve been hit and miss . Yeah
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Relax mate. We are nowhere near winning the tournament. Even if we were a side full of topline players, its still difficult. I still think we should have aimed to progress out of the group and should be dissapointed in not doing so.
 
Benj7 said:
Yep I agree but the Balkan nations get ahead of themselves too often. Disappointed to lose to the Swiss in the way we did.
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Loosing 2 nill to brasil is disappointing but totally acceptable when you re beaten by the better team. The Swiss game has left a bitter taste, it's scandalous, 3 barely marginal yellows cards and the obvious penalty. BBB would have got a free for that.

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tazaa said:
I think we should have given a far better account of ourselves in the final group game. Just my opinion. We went out with barely a shot fire.


Relax mate. We are nowhere near winning the tournament. Even if we were a side full of topline players, its still difficult. I still think we should have aimed to progress out of the group and should be dissapointed in not doing so.
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Nah we were never good enough to even do that ..
 
Passmore said:
Poms drawn to meet Sweden in the qtrs. **** I hope it happens to give life again to one of the great tabloid headlines.....

Swedes 1 Turnips 0

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Eh....nah due to England sending in their B team.....they lost and now have to face Colombia and then either Sweden or Switzerland. If they won it would of been Japan and then Brazil.
 
Jindrrk said:
Eh....nah due to England sending in their B team.....they lost and now have to face Colombia and then either Sweden or Switzerland. If they won it would of been Japan and then Brazil.
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Yeah they're drawn to play Sweden on the qtrs.....of course it may not happen though.

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