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[zill]

That thing which you yourself acknowledge is unachievable?

Things are getting surreal again

I personally think it is unachievable. The UN obviously thinks otherwise.

Seeing as how our govt. has just gotten the support it needs to implement its climate change policy, where do you think the CEOs of the affected industries want to be, in the boardroom wondering how to cut emissions by 40%, or in a room with a bunch of politicians working out how the burden of the cuts can be passed on to others? Carbon offsets will be a massive part of all this, as well as passing along price increases to the consumer they might also be wondering how to pass along the burden of carbon credits to the consumer too. The WEF has certainly spent time on this, which is why they push 'carbon credit scores' for citizens. Rid corporations of some of the carbon burden and at the same time collect massive amounts of data, which is obviously extremely valuable.

 

[bourbons]

I personally think it is unachievable. The UN obviously thinks otherwise.

Seeing as how our govt. has just gotten the support it needs to implement its climate change policy, where do you think the CEOs of the affected industries want to be, in the boardroom wondering how to cut emissions by 40%, or in a room with a bunch of politicians working out how the burden of the cuts can be passed on to others? Carbon offsets will be a massive part of all this, as well as passing along price increases to the consumer they might also be wondering how to pass along the burden of carbon credits to the consumer too. The WEF has certainly spent time on this, which is why they push 'carbon credit scores' for citizens. Rid corporations of some of the carbon burden and at the same time collect massive amounts of data, which is obviously extremely valuable.

You talk like businesses passing along cost increases to consumers hasn't been happening since time immemorial since the dawn of capitalism. Pretty crap to be sure, but nothing new and it isn't the unprecedented assault on citizenry you're painting it as.

That you personally have a strong ideological bias against the driving force behind it in this instance is really neither here nor there.

 

[zill]

You talk like businesses passing along cost increases to consumers hasn't been happening since time immemorial since the dawn of capitalism. Pretty crap to be sure, but nothing new and it isn't the unprecedented assault on citizenry you're painting it as.

That you personally have a strong ideological bias against the driving force behind it in this instance is really neither here nor there.

I was talking about carbon credits. Of course price increases wil be passed along, but seeing as how this is the WEF thread perhaps we could talk about one of their favourite topics, carbon credit scores. They are being applied to big corporations, is it really such a leap of logic to think they might be applied to all citizens?

 

[jb40]

lol

Sounds like you might need to do a bit of reading on the petrodollar yourself

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/07/debunking-the-dumping-the-dollar-conspiracy/[/UR

you do understand the history of the USA bullying and overthrowing governments right?
countries have no choice but to trade in the USA but that is changing with the growth of china and the alliance of the BRICS nations combined they have the might to stand up to the USA.

https://www.truthandaction.org/23-countries-now-abandoning-us-dollar-2/

 

[jb40]

The proposed cash ban law is aimed at clamping down on criminal activity. When was the last time you paid cash for a $10,000+ purchase?

The other articles seem to outline scenarios where businesses or individuals are preferring to avoid carrying cash, nothing to do with government overreach. As I've said, there will be millions of people who are bang up for cashless operation, they probably are already. I work with a fair few younger people (20s), all of them never carried cash even before covid. At some stage we probably have to recognise we'll simply be in the minority on this one if we aren't already.

And none of this has anything to do with EFTPOS and electronic transfers.

did you read the articles. many countries are doing away with cash in total.

many countries are introducing central bank digital currencies. cash will be gone by the decades end. dead money.

 

[bourbons]

I was talking about carbon credits. Of course price increases wil be passed along, but seeing as how this is the WEF thread perhaps we could talk about one of their favourite topics, carbon credit scores. They are being applied to big corporations, is it really such a leap of logic to think they might be applied to all citizens?

Along with penalties or being locked out of certain things? Yes, imo it is. Electoral suicide for the party bringing it in.

 

[bourbons]

did you read the articles. many countries are doing away with cash in total.

many countries are introducing central bank digital currencies. cash will be gone by the decades end. dead money.

Just link me to some specifics in that article referencing "countries doing away with cash in total". That is, governments making these edicts and enforcing the change, as opposed to individuals and businesses simply preferring to go cashless.

And again, none of that has anything to do with getting rid of EFTPOS and electronic transfers, which would be needed in order to force CBDCs on the populace.

 

[zill]

Along with penalties or being locked out of certain things? Yes, imo it is. Electoral suicide for the party bringing it in.

Political suicide is trying to tax mining. GST was an election losing issue, until it was introduced and is now here to stay.

 

[bourbons]

Political suicide is trying to tax mining. GST was an election losing issue, until it was introduced and is now here to stay.

I'd argue GST is just a little different from being locked out of services or banned from traveling/going on a plane coz you've produced too much carbon lol

 

[zill]

I'd argue GST is just a little different from being locked out of services or banned from traveling/going on a plane coz you've produced too much carbon lol

The GST was political suicide, right up to the point that it wasn't. And if both parties agree to any form of carbon credit scheme for citizens, it isn't an election issue.

 

[bourbons]

The GST was political suicide, right up to the point that it wasn't.

And I'm arguing that it wasn't the degree of political suicide that being locked out of certain things due to a personal carbon credit score would be. You really don't seem to do nuance.

And if both parties agree to any form of carbon credit scheme for citizens, it isn't an election issue.

Struggle to see the Libs/Nationals supporting anything of the sort in the foreseeable future, but if we get to a place where both parties are set on bringing it in, they've made a calculation that it in fact isn't political suicide any more (this may well happen, years from now). When that happens, probably time for blokes like you and me to accept that we're dinosaurs. Just like the apparent lack of political will and limited support among the populace for putting an immediate stop to lockdowns during covid, at some point you do probably have to engage with reality and acknowledge that your personal feelings are just not in step with the majority any more.

And just like discussions on this we had during covid, not sure what the alternative is - storm parliament J6 style? I assume maintaining democracy would be the preference, yeah?

 

[zill]

And I'm arguing that it wasn't the degree of political suicide that being locked out of certain things due to a personal carbon credit score would be. You really don't seem to do nuance.


Struggle to see the Libs/Nationals supporting anything of the sort in the foreseeable future, but if we get to a place where both parties are set on bringing it in, they've made a calculation that it in fact isn't political suicide any more (this may well happen, years from now). When that happens, probably time for blokes like you and me to accept that we're dinosaurs. Just like the apparent lack of political will and limited support among the populace for putting an immediate stop to lockdowns during covid, at some point you do probably have to engage with reality and acknowledge that your personal feelings are just not in step with the majority any more.

And just like discussions on this we had during covid, not sure what the alternative is - storm parliament J6 style? I assume maintaining democracy would be the preference, yeah?

Another prediction of something that will never happen in our lifetimes. It has already been implemented for over 200 companies. The govt has commited to emissions reduction. If industry can't manage it, what then?

And for you to claim I don't do nuance and then bring up the lockdowns really takes the cake. People were literally paid not to work.

 

[bourbons]

Another prediction of something that will never happen in our lifetimes.

Umm... I literally posted that its something blokes like us might have to deal with

It has already been implemented for over 200 companies.

Yes, and you talked about those associated costs being passed to consumers like that was your major concern or the concept was something new. When this was pointed out, you then you shifted to goalposts to individuals. And, apparently unable to make that case effectively, have now switched back to talking about companies.

The govt has commited to emissions reduction. If industry can't manage it, what then?

Dunno - they back away from their commitment, or risk trying to enforce it on the populace while hoping the opposition don't turn it into a single issue election?

The democratic process remains preferable to anything you've suggested - actually, what are you suggesting? What should be done?

And for you to claim I don't do nuance and then bring up the lockdowns really takes the cake. People were literally paid not to work.

Unsure what this has to do with your apparent inability to identify variances in acceptability for different issues facing an electorate.

 

[zill]

Yes, and you talked about those associated costs being passed to consumers like that was your major concern or the concept was something new. When this was pointed out, you then you shifted to goalposts to individuals. And, apparently unable to make that case effectively, have now switched back to talking about companies.

Go back and read what I posted. Passing on costs wasn't my major concern, it was the passing on of the carbon burden. You constantly derail this thread with your lack of reading comprehension.

 

[bourbons]

Go back and read what I posted. Passing on costs wasn't my major concern, it was the passing on of the carbon burden. You constantly derail this thread with your lack of reading comprehension.

Apologies mate, you did indeed mention it being applied to consumers in the original post, for some reason I thought that point was only in a subsequent one.

See how easy it is to acknowledge when you get something wrong?

 

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[zill]

What a sick freak this guy is.

 

[Exe Gesis]

What a sick freak this guy is.

He can't hold back his grin either

 

[zill]

He can't hold back his grin either

You can hear other people laughing as well. Remember when automation and robots were going to give people more quality time to live their lives? Now you are a worthless oxygen thief according to this guy and people like him.

 

[Exe Gesis]

You can hear other people laughing as well. Remember when automation and robots were going to give people more quality time to live their lives? Now you are a worthless oxygen thief according to this guy and people like him.

The world has unraveled very quickly the last few years.

 

[faible]

Yeah... this is that thing where someone has taken his words out of context, and other idiots fall for the out of context version.

 

[adogsfan5]

Yeah... this is that thing where someone has taken his words out of context, and other idiots fall for the out of context version.

Do you know he meant in the full version?

 

[faible]

Do you know he meant in the full version?

I've read his stuff before, so my guess is he's talking about the increasing number of people unable to find things like full time employment that are left out of having a 'meaning' to their existence in a society that measures meaning by working.

He's talking about worth in the sense that people have a sense of value, not in the sense that is intimated in the tweet that he wants to eradicate and cull them.

Then he talks about how these people will spend their time, and his thoughts are using drugs and playing video games. Pretty much what people already do when they're in a situation where they have little of value to do with their time.

 

[adogsfan5]

I've read his stuff before, so my guess is he's talking about the increasing number of people unable to find things like full time employment that are left out of having a 'meaning' to their existence in a society that measures meaning by working.

He's talking about worth in the sense that people have a sense of value, not in the sense that is intimated in the tweet that he wants to eradicate and cull them.

Then he talks about how these people will spend their time, and his thoughts are using drugs and playing video games. Pretty much what people already do when they're in a situation where they have little of value to do with their time.

Makes sense, Cheers!