Worst Coaching move

[Karbassiyoon]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
Why? Teams do that all the time.

but on this occasion brisbane smelt blood and went for the kill - it was almost as if knights was trying to preserve his players for the next week.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by MarkT
Had Everitt played I suspect no one would care much about Shannahan v Jarman.

That's what the revisionists would have you believe, yes. "If we had big Spider! If we had Joel Smith! If we had big Lazar!..."

Conveniently forgetting that Adelaide was without Tony Modra, Mark Ricciuto, Peter Vardy and Matthew Liptak that day too.

 

[Binxy]

2002 Prelim Final. Melb v Adelaide @ The G

Ayres starts Basset at FullForward
Daniher puts Neitz on him at Full Back
Adelaide kick 8 goals to 1 before Neitz is shifted back to the forward line.
Guess who won?

I was with a Dees supporter who's head almost exploded in anger.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by binxy24
2002 Prelim Final. Melb v Adelaide @ The G

Ayres starts Basset at FullForward
Daniher puts Neitz on him at Full Back
Adelaide kick 8 goals to 1 before Neitz is shifted back to the forward line.
Guess who won?

I was with a Dees supporter who's head almost exploded in anger.

But to be fair, you came back like a steam train and got as many as 27 or 28 points up in that final quarter before we stormed home and won it.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Peter Schwab playing Shane Crawford in the back pocket the last two weeks is right up there for stupidity in terms of coaching moves.

Any time Adrian Cox plays deep in defence.

Peter Knights should get a lifetime nomination. Two that stick in my mind in particular was the day at Princes Park he was so desparate to get the match-ups the way he wanted in the midfield he left Bradley unmarked - for the entire match. Bradley had about 40 touches and we got done by 100 points.

Another time out at Waverly in 1995 Fitzroy double teamed Dunstall the entire day. Now you would think Knights would send another forward down to create an option. But no, instead he cleared the forward 50 out leaving our only option Dunstall 2 on 1.

Dunstall finished goalless and we lost by 10 points.


Alan Joyce's coaching in the 1993 final against Adelaide cost us the match, and possibly a flag. Numerous stupid matchups saw Stuart Wigney dominate (yes, Stuart Wigney) and the likes of Platten and Crawford sit on the bench whilst Ricky Nixon started in the centre square. He lost the plot that day.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Ted Pellitts
but on this occasion brisbane smelt blood and went for the kill - it was almost as if knights was trying to preserve his players for the next week.

Who knows. Maybe they were just absolutely stuffed and ran out of legs.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk


Another time out at Waverly in 1995 Fitzroy double teamed Dunstall the entire day. Now you would think Knights would send another forward down to create an option. But no, instead he cleared the forward 50 out leaving our only option Dunstall 2 on 1.

Dunstall finished goalless and we lost by 10 points.

You actually lost to Fitzroy in 1995? Ouch.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
You actually lost to Fitzroy in 1995? Ouch.

It was 1994 i remember that game it made the front cover of the age. in 1995 hawthorn played fitzroy in rounds 1 and 15, round 1 they were leading comfortably but fitzroy hit back and the hawks just held them off. round 16 was Minton-Connell's only good game for the club as he snared 8 and the hawks won easily, but it certainly wasn't a smashing.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

1994 Round 13, Hawthorn 53 - Fitroy 66

1995 Round 16,
Three Quarter Time
Hawthorn 13.10.88
Brisbane 5.13.43

Full Time - Hawthorn 14.13.97
Brisbane 14.20.104

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by MarkT
Had Everitt played I suspect no one would care much about Shannahan v Jarman.

Very dubious

Everitt was taken to the cleaners by Rehn in the home and away game. Cook actually beat Rehn in the centre in that game and I don't think the Saints lost too much out of it.

Ricciuto on the other hand.

Liberatore on McLeod in the 98 Prelim

Jamie Tape on Matty Robran in the game Crows beat Richmond by 137 and got Walls the sack.

 

[CatManDo]

Gary Ayres once refused to move the ever loose-checking Brad Sholl off Nathan Brown. Brown tore him up ALL day and kicked 8 goals or something silly like that. Ayres even defended himself after the game, saying it would have dented Sholl's confidence if he had moved him off Brown.

Amazingly, we still won the game, but it wasnt long after that, from memory, that it all started to fall apart, and Geelong started to rot under Ayres' influence.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Jars458
Ricciuto on the other hand.

Modra as well.

 

[Jars458]

Greg Anderson onWayne Carey in about 94. It was a bloodbath.

Nice one Cornsey.

 

[Mark Viduka]

the 1992 Grand Final.... Malcolm Blight played Mark Bairstow on Peter Matera even though 2 weeks earlier in the Qualifying final Matera tore Bairstow to shreads in what he said was the best game of football he ever played..... but Blighty didn't learn... and put Bairstow on him again in the GF. Result.. Eagles won the flag and Matera the Norm Smith Medal.

 

[pazza]

Does this count?

Sheedy recruiting Geof Raines and Mike Richardson in 1986 and losing Peter Bradbury and Stephen Carey as a result

 

[CJH]

Spud starting Ray Hall (then about 19 y.o) on James Hird. Lasted about 10 minutes and about 4 goals!

Spud starting Rodan in the backline. Someone who is 172cms and useless above his head has no place being in defence.

We have also produced a few mismatches that have really come off. Duncan Kellaway has lined up on both Plugger and Wayne Carey and has come away with the chocolates. More recently lining Ty Zantuck up on Matthew Lloyd.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by dyertribe
That's what the revisionists would have you believe, yes. "If we had big Spider! If we had Joel Smith! If we had big Lazar!..."

Conveniently forgetting that Adelaide was without Tony Modra, Mark Ricciuto, Peter Vardy and Matthew Liptak that day too.

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Modra as well.

Ben Modra?

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Jars458
Everitt was taken to the cleaners by Rehn in the home and away game.

IMO it wouldn't have taken much from Spider who was a form player at the time. A couple of grabs up forward or a couple of savers down back could have made a real difference. All academic really but IMO it would have saved the criticism of Alves and also saved the career of Shannahan. Of course we can't ever know but IMO the Everitt injury took a lot of wind out of their sails.

 

[Joffaboy]

Wortst coaching move

1) Richmond appointing, Jeans, Geischen, and Frawley
2) St.Kilda appointing Watson and Blight.

Speaking of Blight his worst move was to run the Saints into the ground in the preseason, thereby subjecting the Saints players to soft tissue injuries for the next two seasons.

Hows the golf game Malcolm?

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by MarkT
IMO it wouldn't have taken much from Spider who was a form player at the time. A couple of grabs up forward or a couple of savers down back could have made a real difference. All academic really but IMO it would have saved the criticism of Alves and also saved the career of Shannahan. Of course we can't ever know but IMO the Everitt injury took a lot of wind out of their sails.

Cook had a fine game, but we had no tall to contest Rehn when he moved back into space in the defensive line.

I think losing Modra was a good thing for Adelaide otherwise they would never have beaten Footscray in the PF and never even made the GF. They were forceed to reshuffle their forward line and Jarman moved forward in both games to win it. With Modra there 9who was out of form at the time) the Adelaide attack seemed alot more predictable.

Anyway Alves should have moved hall on to Jarman to knock him out sounds desperate, but as each goal went through my desperation got worse.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by dyertribe
That's what the revisionists would have you believe, yes. "If we had big Spider! If we had Joel Smith! If we had big Lazar!..."

Conveniently forgetting that Adelaide was without Tony Modra, Mark Ricciuto, Peter Vardy and Matthew Liptak that day too.

What revisionist? I don't care and I made no comment about who should have won or who deserved to win. Had Spider not been injured late in the year St. Kilda would have won and no one would talk about Alves and Shannahan as they do IMO. I would also add that had Modra not been injured I think St. Kilda may well have won anyway. Perhaps if other Crows had played the Crows would have won by more but that has nothing to do with the point I was making. No skin off my nose either way though.

Personally I rated Alves as a coach although he picked the wrong time to have a shocker. Same could be said of MM last year starting at the selection table and continuing thorough the day. All history now.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by MarkT
What revisionist? I don't care and I made no comment about who should have won or who deserved to win. Had Spider not been injured late in the year St. Kilda would have won and no one would talk about Alves and Shannahan as they do IMO. I would also add that had Modra not been injured I think St. Kilda may well have won anyway. Perhaps if other Crows had played the Crows would have won by more but that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Eh? You're certainly saying it now though aren't you and that was the crux of your point - if Spider had've played there would have been no Jarman/Shanahan controversy as Everitt could have filled the hole etc, then it so follows that without Jarman's goals the Crows would have lost.

But my point was, if we're talking about 'if injured players had have taken the field' then you simply cannot ignore Adelaide's substantial outs as well (and Joel Smith and Lazar for StK):

*Modra (who was carrying an injury before his ACL which seriously inhibited his form - was close to being dropped anyway but it's all hypothetical)

*Ricciuto (was leading the Brownlow Count at the halfway mark of the season before his groin went)

*Vardy (hugely important goalsneak for us, played every game and kicked some instrumental goals before breaking his collarbone vs Geelong)

*Liptak (Reigning Club Champion, was dogged by hamstring injuries all through the year)

You can't just say "oh if Everitt had've played then this and that would and wouldn't have happened" without applying it in equal measure the other way otherwise 'what ifs?' of this type are redundant.

 

[hotpie]

Vidovick and Everitt would have made all the difference that day. Cook was valiant but it was three against one.

 

[Nardz]

Tony Shaw persisting with paul williams in back pocket. He'd still be at the club if shaw didnt stuff him around in every position on the field.


and tony shaw coming out in 96 or 97 i think it was, saying that he'd quit if collingwood didnt make the finals.
Collingwood didnt make the finals....... do u reckon he quit??

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
the 1992 Grand Final.... Malcolm Blight played Mark Bairstow on Peter Matera even though 2 weeks earlier in the Qualifying final Matera tore Bairstow to shreads in what he said was the best game of football he ever played..... but Blighty didn't learn... and put Bairstow on him again in the GF. Result.. Eagles won the flag and Matera the Norm Smith Medal.

That's a pearler that one - what a shocking move it was. What's happened to sooky Bairstow anyway? I still remember his laughable claim Geelong were better than Hawthorn in 1989.

Pagan played Daniel Harford in the back pocket a few weeks back - madness. May have ended his career.