You probably think masten is a good player give me a break ward is slow and can't kick.
I wouldn't trade a top 20 pick for him.
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Would Callum Ward Get A Game With Collingwood?
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You probably think masten is a good player give me a break ward is slow and can't kick.
I wouldn't trade a top 20 pick for him.
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What, so because Carringbush are coming off a flag and are a dominant team this year that must mean every player on their list is a potential Brownlow medallist... Not!!
they're a team of mostly average players that are well drilled in the current 'it' game plan. That's it. Ward playing for them would be well drilled and his talent would shine through just as it would at any club.
Would he get a game? Of course he would.
Don't be fooled by players currency going through the roof when they're playing in a successful team.
Example: would any Collingwood player 2 years ago get a game at Geelong 2 years ago. Every Geelong supporter would have said no.
they're a team of mostly average players that are well drilled in the current 'it' game plan. That's it. Ward playing for them would be well drilled and his talent would shine through just as it would at any club.
Would he get a game? Of course he would.
Don't be fooled by players currency going through the roof when they're playing in a successful team.
Example: would any Collingwood player 2 years ago get a game at Geelong 2 years ago. Every Geelong supporter would have said no.
Masten is pure rubbish and I personally hope he is delisted at seasons end.
Always makes me laugh this rubbish. Of course he could get a game. As would plenty of blokes at Port Adelaide. As RW&B said, any decent league standard player can slot into the top sides and do his job. Conversely, plenty of Collingwood players would struggle in a bottom side - and that's not a slight on Collingwood - it's just a reflection of that warped perception that players at the top sides are ALL better than the players at the bottom sides. Winston Abraham was a classic case in point. Freo couldn't afford to carry him for the four weeks between his good games. The Kangas could. He turns it on in a better side (Carey at CHF attracted half of the defence) yet some people wonder why Freo let him go.
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Reminds me of you blokes bleating on about Shaun Higgins all the time about a year ago.
Deafening silence on that front now though.
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I remember in March there was a thread of a similar tone involving Robert Murphy and his prospects of getting a game for Collingwood. There were many posters from the Pies supporters that said he wouldn't have, there were some that said he would easily and a few more that said he might have scraped in for a game. How ridiculous does that argument seem now?
That thread demonstrated to me the silly nature in which supporters judge their own team when they're successful. They tend to believe that because a certain player is performing well in their role in a successful side, a player playing a similar role in a less successful one would not have the potential to perform at the same level or better if given the opportunity. It's a dumb way of looking at the game.
If Ward was given the opportunity to fit in to Collingwoods side and perform a role after completing a couple of pre-seasons learning the game plan and developing his style towards it he wouldn't have any issues in fitting in. He was chosen at the end of the first round of the draft at a young age, and had obvious talent. He is versatile enough to play defensive roles, attacking roles or lock down roles through the midfield. He was a player that was given a green light to be part of the Bulldogs best 22 from a young age due to this talent when we were challenging for a grand final spot.
If he had spent this time at Collingwood, he'd be well and truly cemented in to their best 22. He's talented, he clearly applies himself and would only be a better player than he is now if he was in the Collingwood environment.
That thread demonstrated to me the silly nature in which supporters judge their own team when they're successful. They tend to believe that because a certain player is performing well in their role in a successful side, a player playing a similar role in a less successful one would not have the potential to perform at the same level or better if given the opportunity. It's a dumb way of looking at the game.
If Ward was given the opportunity to fit in to Collingwoods side and perform a role after completing a couple of pre-seasons learning the game plan and developing his style towards it he wouldn't have any issues in fitting in. He was chosen at the end of the first round of the draft at a young age, and had obvious talent. He is versatile enough to play defensive roles, attacking roles or lock down roles through the midfield. He was a player that was given a green light to be part of the Bulldogs best 22 from a young age due to this talent when we were challenging for a grand final spot.
If he had spent this time at Collingwood, he'd be well and truly cemented in to their best 22. He's talented, he clearly applies himself and would only be a better player than he is now if he was in the Collingwood environment.
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This is perfectly sensible and I can't imagine any Pie fan would argue otherwise.
But what we're being told in this thread is that your 4th or 5th best midfielder - which he currently is - would waltz into what is probably the best midfield in the competition right now. Which just doesn't make much sense.
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what the **** are you talking about? Where does Scott Thompson come in?
I think it validates the point. Chris Yarran and Leon Davis move back for Carlton and Collingwood, it's hailed as a masterstroke. Higgins does the same thing at the Bulldogs but gets no plaudits at all.
I think it validates the point. Chris Yarran and Leon Davis move back for Carlton and Collingwood, it's hailed as a masterstroke. Higgins does the same thing at the Bulldogs but gets no plaudits at all.
It does if you take into account talent and application combined. Many clubs make allowances for one, or the other. But if a player has both, then he gets a spot at the expense of other players that apply themselves just as hard but don't have the talent, or vice versa.
I could understand the argument if Ward was a talented player that was prone to not working hard enough, or had clear deficiencies in his game. But he doesn't.
It's a moot argurment anyway. For instance, Collingwood is getting the best out of its midfield group for a lot of reasons. One key factor is they've managed their fitness extremely well. Ward has had OP related issues over the previous two years and his profile and performances have suffered because of it. Who's to say these issues would have been encountered by Ward to the same extent if he played for Collingwood? Would Ward's issues have been managed more comprehensively at the Pies, therefore increasing the development in his game to this point? Maybe, maybe not.
Any reasonable observer would acknowledge that on talent and application alone Callan Ward would get a game in any side in the AFL. Sure, there might need to be some shuffling required to fit him in, but let's be serious about it. Good young players of his ability get played. It's as simple as that.
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Who's to say these issues wouldn't have been even worse? It's a hypothetical that's outside the question being asked here...which is whether Ward, at his current fitness and ability, would get a game for the Pies.
What you're talking about is talent and application, which is an entirely different question, and one on which there would be a helluva lot more agreement.
Would Collingwoods fringe midfielders be playing as well if Pendlebury, Thomas, Swan, Ball et al were not performing at the top of their game?
They're working better as a unit than Cooney, Cross, Griffen and Boyd at the moment, nobody can deny that. But it doesn't mean the guys working beneath them such as Ward wouldn't perform better elsewhere, even if they're not as talented as them.
Just because you're not in the top line at your club doesn't mean you're not going to be able to perform better under different management in different circumstances. In Ward's case, I'm talking talent for the most part, the fact that he gives it his all supports my assertion that he'd get a game at the Pies.
They're working better as a unit than Cooney, Cross, Griffen and Boyd at the moment, nobody can deny that. But it doesn't mean the guys working beneath them such as Ward wouldn't perform better elsewhere, even if they're not as talented as them.
Just because you're not in the top line at your club doesn't mean you're not going to be able to perform better under different management in different circumstances. In Ward's case, I'm talking talent for the most part, the fact that he gives it his all supports my assertion that he'd get a game at the Pies.
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this whole gws thing has made ward one of the most overrated players in the comp...im not bagging bulldogs either because i can name many bulldogs id rather have in my team than him.
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True, but in this thread people are arguing that Ward would break into the core midfield unit you've mentioned, when he can't break into the core midfield unit at the Bulldogs. That's the assertion that seems fanciful.
That he could take the spot of a Blair or a Krakeour and perform just as well no-one is doubting.
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Of course you can't.
Higgins is having a better year than Thompson anyway. Been a breath of fresh air down back.
The only position in the core Collinwood midfield group I could see Ward taking is Ball's. But that's a stretch due to Ball's consistent effort for the Pies over the last 18 months. He's been fantastic in providing strong and contested delivery to your other midfielders.
Ward easily has the talent to play that role, but I'm not sure he's developed his game to a level where he could do it week in week out. But I don't think that will be his go anyway as he improves.
I saw the thread based on the premis of Crawford's comments that Ward would struggle to get a game for Collingwood. Whether that is in the core midfield group, part of a rotation or anywhere else you care to mention. Just because he doesn't command the first, second, third or fourth position in the Bulldogs midfiled it doesn't mean the Pies wouldn't fit him in somewhere. Let's be reasonable.
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Lots of people in this thread proving Mark Williams (Premiership coach) right; Sharrod Wellingham could really be the most underrated player in the competition right now. 
Lots of people in this thread proving Mark Williams (Premiership coach) right; Sharrod Wellingham could really be the most underrated player in the competition right now.
Excellent. I'm confused.
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