WRFL Div 1 Discussion 2024

[ROOS77]

Werribee by 9 over Hoppers after trailing at half time
Caroline Springs by 18, Parkside to give a yelp
Altona by 8 over Spotty, Spotty should respond after last week
YSE by 10 over PCC who are a bit hard to read, a great win last week after a poor month. Bad loss for YSE last week.

Hopefully PC can regroup and get a few back over their bye.

I can see all of those tips being wrong such is the unpredictability of D1 this season.

Very tough to pick winners, its great.

Altona got hammered by the looks, that was probably the biggest upset of the round.

 

[Dogs till i die]

Hearing discussions happening with consideration been given to a 12 team D1 in 2025.

 

[ROOS77]

Hearing discussions happening with consideration been given to a 12 team D1 in 2025.

Would be great

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Would be great

How many rounds?

 

[Jessie]

Would be great

Whats so great about a 12 team comp. A ten team comp is ideal, you play everyone twice.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

How many rounds?

you would imagine 22

 

[Dogs till i die]

Whats so great about a 12 team comp. A ten team comp is ideal, you play everyone twice.

I'm guessing it is to get Sunshine, Albion and Newport out of D2 and as a short term fix to the farce that's been D2 this season.

Agree, ideally, 10 teams is an ideal objective longer term.

Strongly doubt there would be more than 18 games even with 12 teams, given D1 clubs only played 16 games this season with 2 byes.

 

[pushtothecone]

Whats so great about a 12 team comp. A ten team comp is ideal, you play everyone twice.

Exactly. Why change Div 1 to accomodate for ordinary Div 3 standard clubs?

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Exactly. Why change Div 1 to accomodate for ordinary Div 3 standard clubs?

so what do you suggest???

One obvious one is a couple of mergers (as much as clubs and people hate to say it), it may be the best for the comp.

Perhaps somehing like the following (long term):

Div 1:
Albion
Altona
Caro
Hoppers
Parkside
Point Cook
PCC
Spotty
WD
YSE

Div 2:
Albanvale
Braybrook
Laverton
Newport
Nth Foots
Sunshine
Suns / Tarneit (Merger)
Sunshine Heights / Nth Sunshine (Merger)
West Foots
Western Rams
Wyndhamvale

 

[lachy]

Exactly. Why change Div 1 to accomodate for ordinary Div 3 standard clubs?

Is it doing that though. There are 3 teams who could comfortably compete in Div 1, Albion, Sunshine and Newport/Wyndhamvale.

Other than Newport/Wyndhamvale all other Div 2 clubs baring North Sunshine can be competitive against each other as shown by Tarniet defeating Braybrook.

If you want proper competitive divisions it is the only way to go and also creates proper pathways for those teams wishing to push to Div 1 or those in Div 1 that need some time back down in Div 2 to re establish.

Not too difficult to put together a reasonably fair fixture for a 12 team comp as there are 7 of 11 crossovers and Div 2 will have an 11 team comp

 

[trucka]

Is it doing that though. There are 3 teams who could comfortably compete in Div 1, Albion, Sunshine and Newport/Wyndhamvale.

Other than Newport/Wyndhamvale all other Div 2 clubs baring North Sunshine can be competitive against each other as shown by Tarniet defeating Braybrook.

If you want proper competitive divisions it is the only way to go and also creates proper pathways for those teams wishing to push to Div 1 or those in Div 1 that need some time back down in Div 2 to re establish.

Not too difficult to put together a reasonably fair fixture for a 12 team comp as there are 7 of 11 crossovers and Div 2 will have an 11 team comp

Agree. The double up games are based on finishing position on the ladder the previous year and the team(s) coming up from Div 2. Top 8 teams from previous year play each other twice and the bottom teams or those coming up from Div 2 play each other twice and finalists once

 

[Wild Thing]

Agree. The double up games are based on finishing position on the ladder the previous year and the team(s) coming up from Div 2. Top 8 teams from previous year play each other twice and the bottom teams or those coming up from Div 2 play each other twice and finalists once

Love this suggestion….but why doesn’t whoever do the fixtures factor this in. Look at the s$it show that was the early fixturing for D2 this year and the blow outs that resulted. Surely it’s not that hard to do!

 

[lachy]

Love this suggestion….but why doesn’t whoever do the fixtures factor this in. Look at the s$it show that was the early fixturing for D2 this year and the blow outs that resulted. Surely it’s not that hard to do!

There were multiple issues with the fixturing this season, hopefully they do have 12 and 11 team divisions and your are correct it is not really that hard to do

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[ROOS77]

Agree. The double up games are based on finishing position on the ladder the previous year and the team(s) coming up from Div 2. Top 8 teams from previous year play each other twice and the bottom teams or those coming up from Div 2 play each other twice and finalists once

I cant agree with this. You might find yourself with weaker sides making finals over stronger sides because of they play each other twice

 

[lachy]

I cant agree with this. You might find yourself with weaker sides making finals over stronger sides because of they play each other twice

Given there is only a 4 game variance, statistically it is highly unlikely that would artificially push any of the bottom 6 into the top 6

 

[ROOS77]

Given there is only a 4 game variance, statistically it is highly unlikely that would artificially push any of the bottom 6 into the top 6

It would only take a win in a game or two against a middle of the road Div 1 team to make finals ahead of that div 1 team who has played four of the stronger clubs twice.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

It would only take a win in a game or two against a middle of the road Div 1 team to make finals ahead of that div 1 team who has played four of the stronger clubs twice.

if the double up is four games, then it's simple, 2 x games against teams in your bracket, 1 x games from teams in other two brackets.

1-4 Bracket 1
5-8 Bracket 2
9-12 Bracket 3

If you are in Bracket 1, you play 2 of the other 3 teams in your bracket, one from the middle bracket, one from the bottom bracket

Middle Bracket 2 from there, so like for like teams on the edge of the finals mix, but still play a team below them.
Bottom bracket, get the extra game against another bottom team to potentially help them move up the ladder, without it being a free hit.

And the reality is, teams can change dramatically from one year to the next, look at PC, 2nd last year, last this year.
Where do you rank the promoted teams (when promo and relegation comes back in)? Mid bracket or bottom bracket??

 

[trucka]

if the double up is four games, then it's simple, 2 x games against teams in your bracket, 1 x games from teams in other two brackets.

1-4 Bracket 1
5-8 Bracket 2
9-12 Bracket 3

If you are in Bracket 1, you play 2 of the other 3 teams in your bracket, one from the middle bracket, one from the bottom bracket

Middle Bracket 2 from there, so like for like teams on the edge of the finals mix, but still play a team below them.
Bottom bracket, get the extra game against another bottom team to potentially help them move up the ladder, without it being a free hit.

And the reality is, teams can change dramatically from one year to the next, look at PC, 2nd last year, last this year.
Where do you rank the promoted teams (when promo and relegation comes back in)? Mid bracket or bottom bracket??

Reality is you will never get it perfect but at least the above scenarios give it some substance and the opportunity for lower clubs to improve, have some wins and want to stay in Div 1, not want to go back to Div 2 so that they can be successful and dominate there

It might be good for the comp if we had different teams in finals rather than the same every year. As mentioned, their will always be anomalies, not only PC going from 2nd to 2nd last, but in reverse, Hoppers from last to potential finals this year

 

[ROOS77]

if the double up is four games, then it's simple, 2 x games against teams in your bracket, 1 x games from teams in other two brackets.

1-4 Bracket 1
5-8 Bracket 2
9-12 Bracket 3

If you are in Bracket 1, you play 2 of the other 3 teams in your bracket, one from the middle bracket, one from the bottom bracket

Middle Bracket 2 from there, so like for like teams on the edge of the finals mix, but still play a team below them.
Bottom bracket, get the extra game against another bottom team to potentially help them move up the ladder, without it being a free hit.

And the reality is, teams can change dramatically from one year to the next, look at PC, 2nd last year, last this year.
Where do you rank the promoted teams (when promo and relegation comes back in)? Mid bracket or bottom bracket??

You've put a lot thought into this , i like it

 

[ROOS77]

Reality is you will never get it perfect but at least the above scenarios give it some substance and the opportunity for lower clubs to improve, have some wins and want to stay in Div 1, not want to go back to Div 2 so that they can be successful and dominate there

It might be good for the comp if we had different teams in finals rather than the same every year. As mentioned, their will always be anomalies, not only PC going from 2nd to 2nd last, but in reverse, Hoppers from last to potential finals this year

It's also on the Div 2 clubs coming up to strive to be better/competitive.

When DP were buying flags, clubs like Werribee and Altona worked hard to get better and beat them ,where most others just sat back.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

It's also on the Div 2 clubs coming up to strive to be better/competitive.

When DP were buying flags, clubs like Werribee and Altona worked hard to get better and beat them ,where most others just sat back.

How do you define working hard and how do you know other clubs gave up the ghost?

 

[ROOS77]

How do you define working hard and how do you know other clubs gave up the ghost?

Striving to improve and challenge them.

It was evident that some clubs gave up trying to match them, lack of recruiting was one.

 

[Dogs till i die]

Werribee's 1st loss for the season at Altona, in front most of the day but over run in the 4th.

Their undefeated run has been in danger for a while, coming from behind at 3QT a few times, plus 2 draws.

Still favourites for mine, but CS would be licking their lips now, in better form at the moment.

 

[Squeeky Clean]

Clay Smith

Clay Smith

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.8

4star

invited to re-apply for his own job back rumours true?

If they want to move onto another coach, why not just part ways with each other now?

if its true, I find it very strange.

 

[Turbos mail]

Clay Smith invited to re-apply for his own job back rumours true?

If they want to move onto another coach, why not just part ways with each other now?

if its true, I find it very strange.

Maybe just advertising to see what’s out there. They are a chance to be relegated to div2 yes?