Resource www.footyjumpers.com

[Lemon Boi]

Question:
Will in-match variants be listed?

Examples:
Some Richmond players still had a thinner sash in 1975–80.
Some Geelong players wore the 1978 guernsey (stripe over the number) until at least 1984.
Longies; yes I know, and I’m sorry for the time it will take to find every match where a player wore a longy.

Evidence/Reasoning:
Francis Bourke (middle) would probably not wear a guernsey that wasn’t his own; has a thin sash and the 1980 Tetley logo.


Jacko in Round 12 1984.


Longies are beautiful; you know it’s true.


Also, the Gridiron Uniform Database (http://www.gridiron-uniforms.com/GUD/controller/controller.php?action=main) uses gif files to animate the in-match variants, such as this of San Francisco in Super Bowl XXIII.


Conclusion:
I love your work Mero, it’s the main reason I’m trying to do the same for the NRL.
And I will help in researching matches that had longies.

Regards, Lemon Boi

 

[Mero]

I do have one uniform with an animated gif, though I am not planning on doing in game variations on long sleeve v sleevless.
Most teams in the 50s & 60s regarded the sleeveless as dry weather and the longy as wet weather.

 

[Mero]

Eagles wore blue guernseys (not yellow) in Round 3 1988:



And Fremantle wore purple guernseys (not green) and white shorts in Round 17 1997:
View attachment 867149

pages edited. Thanks

 

[Lemon Boi]

I do have one uniform with an animated gif, though I am not planning on doing in game variations on long sleeve v sleevless.
Most teams in the 50s & 60s regarded the sleeveless as dry weather and the longy as wet weather.

Altered suggestion:
Would a longie folder in the teams pages be possible?

Reason:
If you have a pre-season folder, then a longie folder is needed.

 

[Gibbsy]

Reason:
If you have a pre-season folder, then a longie folder is needed.

I mean, not really. The design is exactly the same. That's like having different pages for polyester and sportswool depending on who was wearing what on the day.

 

[Lemon Boi]

I mean, not really. The design is exactly the same. That's like having different pages for polyester and sportswool depending on who was wearing what on the day.

The design is not the same; some have sleeves, others don’t.

Wanga demonstrates in 1997:


I’m not trying to be petty, I just don’t want the longie to completely die out; it already has at three clubs.

 

[freo_leo29]

The design is not the same; some have sleeves, others don’t.

Wanga demonstrates in 1997:
View attachment 867713 View attachment 867714

I’m not trying to be petty, I just don’t want the longie to completely die out; it already has at three clubs.

That is the same design though, North with hoops would have been a better image

 

[Rubber Arm]

As much as I love long sleeves and I play wearing one every weekend, there's no point in having a separate folder for them. Literally Geelong, Hawthorn (whom aren't even allowed to wear sleeves), Collingwood and North Melbourne have hoops on their sleeves and that's it. Everyone else just has plain club colours.

 

[Derby103]

Mero

The SSB Little League grand final of 1975 between Swans and Tigers at Arden Street - Swans wore red shorts and Tigers white. All players wore long sleeves apart from young Colin Charles (Tigers) who wore his own sleeveless jumper. Please feel free to add the above detail to the SSB Little League folder that you are currently developing.

 

[Lemon Boi]

Little league gets a folder, but longies don’t?



Blast.

I’ll make my own longies then.

 

[Rubber Arm]

Little league gets a folder, but longies don’t?

View attachment 868232

Make it yourself if you're so passionate about it bruvva

 

[Lemon Boi]

Make it yourself if you're so passionate about it bruvva

I’m making NRL jerseys at the moment:

Portfolio - (Outdated) NRL Jerseys, 1908–2006 – inspired by FootyJumpers

Inspired by @Mero’s fantastic website www.footyjumpers.com, this thread shall illustrate the jerseys worn in the NRL from its foundation in 1908 to 2006 and (probably, eventually) beyond. Unless otherwise specified, the jersey/uniform in each image was worn in every match in the years stated...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Gibbsy]

The design is not the same; some have sleeves, others don’t.

Wanga demonstrates in 1997:
View attachment 867713 View attachment 867714

I’m not trying to be petty, I just don’t want the longie to completely die out; it already has at three clubs.

That is astoundingly petty. Look, you’re preaching to the choir here. We all love longies on this board, there’s a 600(?) reply thread dedicated to the bloody things. But creating a ludicrous amount of work for Mero is unrealistic and adding a page on FJ dot com isn’t gonna suddenly convince guernsey manufacturers to start spitting out longies by the thousands.

Please don’t take this as a personal affront either, I’m quite a fan of your research and design work.

 

[Lemon Boi]

That is astoundingly petty. Look, you’re preaching to the choir here. We all love longies on this board, there’s a 600(?) reply thread dedicated to the bloody things. But creating a ludicrous amount of work for Mero is unrealistic and adding a page on FJ dot com isn’t gonna suddenly convince guernsey manufacturers to start spitting out longies by the thousands.

Please don’t take this as a personal affront either, I’m quite a fan of your research and design work.

I’m sorry. Don’t ban me.

In my NRL jerseys thread, I have tried to represent the years where both ¾ length and ½ length sleeves were worn by players of a team.
Information and pictures of the NRL is scarcer than the AFL, so it is difficult to determine when actual ½ lengths were made and not cut ¾ lengths.
Example is Cronulla (see attachments) in 1989–93, where the actual ½ lengths differed from ¾ lengths that were cut.

Mero, you don’t have to make longies if you don’t want to. What you have made is magnificent, and more than enough to satisfy any guernsey aficionado, like me.

 

[Zer0]

I do have one uniform with an animated gif, though I am not planning on doing in game variations on long sleeve v sleevless.
Most teams in the 50s & 60s regarded the sleeveless as dry weather and the longy as wet weather.

Was there any method to what colour they used in particular games, or was it just random?

 

[Mero]

Was there any method to what colour they used in particular games, or was it just random?

Doesn't seem to be.
Different players had the six different colours, with no apparent rhyme or reason why.
Green, Light Blue, Orange, Red, Yellow & Purple were the colours.
Mark Johnson (1) Red
Mercuri (2) Red
Henneman (3) Light Blue
Hird (5) Orange
Ramanauskas (9) Light Blue
Peverill (11) Purple
Cupido (13) Orange
Jason Johnson (14) Orange
Walsh (17) Yellow
Lloyd (18) Purple
Hille (19) Light Blue
Jacobs (21) Green
Misiti (24) Orange
Lucas (25) Red
Fletcher (31) Green
McPhee (33) Light Blue

 

[Zer0]

Doesn't seem to be.
Different players had the six different colours, with no apparent rhyme or reason why.
Green, Light Blue, Orange, Red, Yellow & Purple were the colours.
Mark Johnson (1) Red
Mercuri (2) Red
Henneman (3) Light Blue
Hird (5) Orange
Ramanauskas (9) Light Blue
Peverill (11) Purple
Cupido (13) Orange
Jason Johnson (14) Orange
Walsh (17) Yellow
Lloyd (18) Purple
Hille (19) Light Blue
Jacobs (21) Green
Misiti (24) Orange
Lucas (25) Red
Fletcher (31) Green
McPhee (33) Light Blue

I don't remember that, but that's mental.

I remember the 3 store in Melbourne CBD had a colour changing sign out the front

 

[RedmanWasHere]

So it appears we've gone from Mero to Zer0.

 

[Mero]

In Heritage Round of that year, the only time they wore a different jumper, all the 3 logos were Green

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I feel like I know all the players' names but for the guy below Danny Jacobs and the guy between Llordo and McPhee.

 

[thequarry]

Mero a bunch of St Kilda bits and pieces. Hope this all makes sense.

1919-1922 V jumper had yellow going over the shoulders and around the back - a women’s match held had one team wearing St Kilda jumpers (you can see it going over the shoulders in the team photo, and on the back of the player in the bottom photo standing behind number 9). Also as an aside was there anything definitive that ever came up about the colouring of the entire jumper?): https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/146720190


1980s - there's a lot of fineries here, I'm not sure how you would take these into account.

• 1985 was the last year of the wide white panel and (slightly smaller) club logo box with the sharper box, but it looks like the club logo was placed a little wider until this point:

• The cut changed over 1986 and 1987. Some players’ jumpers varied with the revised design over the two seasons - for some players the width of the black panel was just short of midway point of the club logo. This is from Round 5, 1986:

• And from 1987, Round 8

• In 1988, the black panel was consistently just over the halfway point of what was now a bigger logo - the same can be seen on how much of the VFL logo the red panel covers, so it might be a few things contributing? This is from Round 15, 1988:
  
  
• I don’t think the majority of players wore collar on the home jumper from 1985 onwards.

The club logo

• In 1996, it looks like the club wore a polyester jumper with the free-floating logo with white collar and cuffs until Round 12, before switching back to more traditional design in the older fabric, with the black box from Round 13 onwards. Round 1 vs Round 21:
  
• Logo in line with AFL logo in 2003, and the sponsor below
• Logo in line with AFL logo 2004, and the club motto “Fortius Quo Fidelius” was added to the logo this year, and the sponsor above

• Logo placed above the sponsor in 2005 (and the logo is very slightly smaller)

• Club logo on line with AFL logo in 2006 and 2007, and the sponsor now back above it

• Sponsor lowered to closer to in-line with the AFL logo from 2008

• Lower again in 2009, where it's effectively been since

• In 2014, the club logo was in line with the AFL logo from Rounds 1 to 6, and then returned to below the sponsor logo (which was put back in line with the AFL logo) from Round 7

Changes from 2011 to 2012 in clash jumper

• The 2011 clash jumper red and black panels were thinner (e.g. the black panel only makes it far enough across to scrape the edge of the logo)

2020

• The white panel has become wider - the red panel now runs just short of the AFL logo on the home jumper. 2020 Round 1 vs 2019 Round 23:
  

Curios:

• How did you determine the reds used (2017 is different vs others) for home jumpers? There are some variations in your images.
• Going back to what might be because of jumper cuts and templates, the width of the white panel over time?

 

[Mero]

I feel like I know all the players' names but for the guy below Danny Jacobs and the guy between Llordo and McPhee.

Benny Haynes

 

[Mero]

StKilda.
1919 jumpers changed to include the Vee on the Back. I am guessing at the number, but I can't see how they would have had White numbers on the Gold Vee.
1985-1988 I don't think I quite understand. The vee collar jumper I have is what most players wore and the club logo over the heart appeared to be in different places on the jumper depending on where the ladies in the auxiliary had sewn them on at the time. I tried to place it where most appeared to be, but I don't think it was a determined position for every jumper.
1996 Seasons I have the jumper as the printed jumpers Round 1-9, then the acrylic from then on. I'll add the printed jumpers in as a 96 Home jumper.
2004-09 club logos. Most updated, though I think where it is on Gwilt in 2008 is the same as Riewoldt in 2009.
2014 This is already on the site.
Clash
2011 updated image
2020 updated

Red. Obviously we're talking about best replicating dyes in wool, acrylic and then polyester and how they're best represented in RGB values.
Since 2007 there has been a move to make the colours of the jumper the same colours as the official club logo which is PMS185. However, there have been manufacturers who have used different dyes on the jumpers.

Width of panels. What I've tried to do is take an image of the jumper front on, then make a rectangle for the width of the jumper, and another for the White panel. Everything to the other side of it is either Red or Black. The a square for the Black patch on which the logo was embroidered.

 

[Mero]

OK, so I am going through the StKilda jumpers and uniforms
Before 1996 when polyester printed jumpers came in, I have used RGB values 200,0,0 to represent Red dye in wool and acrylic.
From 1996 to now, on the new jumpers I have used 242,0,23 for the Red.

112 Jumpers in the Jumper section. (All should be converted)
196 Uniforms in the Seasons section. (I think these are finished too)

 

[Lemon Boi]

Dear Mero,

I have noticed that Melbourne had red cuffs, not navy, on their longies from at least 1948 (until 1999).
Their yoke also seems to be smaller and narrower than illustrated on footyjumpers.com.

From Boyles Football Photos:
Melbourne 1948 a
Melbourne 1948 b

Regards, Lemon Boi