Youf/Academy Thread

[Sphynx]

Leeds vs the child snatchers it is.

 

[moomba]

Child snatchers is a new one.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

United u18s are 7-1 up after 70 minutes away at Liverpool. Bit of a procession.

 

[jod23]

United u18s are 7-1 up after 70 minutes away at Liverpool. Bit of a procession.

My United mate sent me the score, think it ended 9-1. I answered him saying you know it's bad at United when you have to send me U18's results.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

My United mate sent me the score, think it ended 9-1. I answered him saying you know it's bad at United when you have to send me U18's results.

We need the small victories at the moment mate!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We need the small victories at the moment mate!

Roll over tonight please.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Harry Amass turned 17 last month. Today he pockets Salah on debut.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Harry Amass turned 17 last month. Today he pockets Salah on debut.

Good to see a local lad playing who's spent years at the academy.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Good to see a local lad playing who's spent years at the academy.

He's had a cup of coffee at the academy so far. I'm sure nobody expected him to be in line for a debut this early.

 

[Bradesmaen]

He's had a cup of coffee at the academy so far. I'm sure nobody expected him to be in line for a debut this early.

I know, he's from Watford. What's the point of academies outside the sky 6

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I know, he's from Watford. What's the point of academies outside the sky 6

Everton have had a production line of first team players coming from their academy for the last 30 years at least... I understand your point but loads of clubs benefit from them and it is not an exact science either.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I know, he's from Watford. What's the point of academies outside the sky 6

Sky 5.
Ours produces as much as an ice factory in the sahara.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Sky 5.
Ours produces as much as an ice factory in the sahara.

Everton have had a production line of first team players coming from their academy for the last 30 years at least... I understand your point but loads of clubs benefit from them and it is not an exact science either.

It was more a reference to the EPP where the lower clubs even in the PL are struggling to retain talent in academies and having to give them away for a pittance. Whether they work out or not is another thing. Also on Everton's academy... not a lot has come out recently really.

Ishé Samuels-Smith - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prime example for us, ok we got a good deal rather than the tribunal payment but we struggle to hold onto academy talent anymore because zones no longer exist and other clubs come a poaching.

 

[moomba]

Wonder if automatic sell on clauses should be part of the standard payments when someone moves from.one academy to another.

That way if an academy loses a kid, and they make it good at their next club there's at least the chance that the original club gets a bit more reward.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Wonder if automatic sell on clauses should be part of the standard payments when someone moves from.one academy to another.

That way if an academy loses a kid, and they make it good at their next club there's at least the chance that the original club gets a bit more reward.

They have fixed payment systems on whether the player makes X amount of games in the EFL/PL... however it's 1.3million for 100 games or more. Very low.

Was brought in by the FA to make the England team better, but has obviously had a dramatic affect on PL teams.

 

[moomba]

They have fixed payment systems on whether the player makes X amount of games in the EFL/PL... however it's 1.3million for 100 games or more. Very low.

Was brought in by the FA to make the England team better, but has obviously had a dramatic affect on PL teams.

Don't mind fixed rates. Could well be higher, you'd easily pay £10m for a player that was a guarantee of making 100 senior appearances. So make it £1m on debut, £5m on 50 appearances, £10m on 100.

Difficulty with this is players that bounce from academy to academy. Do you deserve much money if you've had a player for a few months and the he moves on to another club?

I'm also thinking if we take a player from Everton, shove him in our academy for a year or two and then sell him for £40m a few years later Everton should get some of the reward for their part in that as well.

Same problem with players that move from academy to academy. Kid could spend years at Wolves, move to Everton for six months, and then to City. In that case Wolves probably deserve it more.

 

[chef]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[chef]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Off to Dortmund apparently

 

[chef]

Off to Dortmund apparently

Probs a smart move

 

[chef]

Get the feeling he'll be Salahs replacement at Pool.

 

[Sphynx]

Don't mind fixed rates. Could well be higher, you'd easily pay £10m for a player that was a guarantee of making 100 senior appearances. So make it £1m on debut, £5m on 50 appearances, £10m on 100.

Difficulty with this is players that bounce from academy to academy. Do you deserve much money if you've had a player for a few months and the he moves on to another club?

I'm also thinking if we take a player from Everton, shove him in our academy for a year or two and then sell him for £40m a few years later Everton should get some of the reward for their part in that as well.

Same problem with players that move from academy to academy. Kid could spend years at Wolves, move to Everton for six months, and then to City. In that case Wolves probably deserve it more.

Personally I think they should get most of it.



Are you buying the player to profit off of them for FFP or to develop them for first team appearances?

I think farming u/18 players for profit is against the spirit of the game personally.

Obviously not everyone is up to the level sometimes, but it's painfully obvious sides are farming quality academies and cities of their local talent for quick flips.

The English clubs aren't alone in this btw.


Automatic 50% future sell on fees for u/21 purchases.

Possible additional penalties for reselling these players before their 23rd birthday.