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Tough exercise these days eh? Here is my crack at it.

I'm a touch concerned about the rebound off half back on offer here but take comfort that either Edwards or Stack can head back if needed for some rebound and creativity. Great runners in Pickett, Graham and Lambert to provide fresh legs off the bench as well as Nank to relieve the big Croat. Short and Baker from the premiership side have been omitted for Graham and Stack.

FB: Grimes Astbury Broad
HB: Vlastuin Balta Houli
C: Bolton Cotchin Caddy
HF: Rioli Riewoldt Edwards
FF: Stack Lynch Castagna
R: Soldo Prestia Martin

I: Pickett Graham Lambert Nankervis

AFL Standard depth: McIntosh, Short, Ross, Higgins, Baker, Chol, Eggmolesse-Smith
Next in line: Collier-Dawkins, Naish, Garthwaite, Coleman-Jones, Markov
Too early: Turner, Dow, Nyoun, Ralphsmith, Cumberland, Martyn
Hard to see a future: Miller, Aarts, English
N.A: Rance

NB: I'm probably a bit hard on English as its still really early days. I just cant see what he has to offer. I was wrong about Baker though and his now a premiership player.

Bolded Non premiership players I really hope we don't lose. Unless Ross becomes more outside, hard to play him and Graham while Cotch & Lambert are in the team. I hope CJ gets enough senior games to maintain his interest; interstate boys KMac, Baker, CJ are potential trade targets. One way or another we have too much ruck depth. If we go after a big name KPD, it may squeeze others out.
 
Bolded Non premiership players I really hope we don't lose. Unless Ross becomes more outside, hard to play him and Graham while Cotch & Lambert are in the team. I hope CJ gets enough senior games to maintain his interest; interstate boys KMac, Baker, CJ are potential trade targets. One way or another we have too much ruck depth. If we go after a big name KPD, it may squeeze others out.
Ross and Graham don't play the same roll. Ross has no problem getting it, 25+ disposals in his first 2 games, and they have added running power by stripping weight off him. He will be our accumulator. Graham's top in his career is about 22, and is primarily a defensive player, who I hope adds accumulation to his game. Ross looks like being a gun who one day may well captain the side. A lot of Joel Selwood in him.
 
Ross and Graham don't play the same roll. Ross has no problem getting it, 25+ disposals in his first 2 games, and they have added running power by stripping weight off him. He will be our accumulator. Graham's top in his career is about 22, and is primarily a defensive player, who I hope adds accumulation to his game. Ross looks like being a gun who one day may well captain the side. A lot of Joel Selwood in him.
You have Ross IN, Graham Emerg in your team. I could live with that.
 

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Tough exercise these days eh? Here is my crack at it.

I'm a touch concerned about the rebound off half back on offer here but take comfort that either Edwards or Stack can head back if needed for some rebound and creativity. Great runners in Pickett, Graham and Lambert to provide fresh legs off the bench as well as Nank to relieve the big Croat. Short and Baker from the premiership side have been omitted for Graham and Stack.

FB: Grimes Astbury Broad
HB: Vlastuin Balta Houli
C: Bolton Cotchin Caddy
HF: Rioli Riewoldt Edwards
FF: Stack Lynch Castagna
R: Soldo Prestia Martin

I: Pickett Graham Lambert Nankervis

AFL Standard depth: McIntosh, Short, Ross, Higgins, Baker, Chol, Eggmolesse-Smith
Next in line: Collier-Dawkins, Naish, Garthwaite, Coleman-Jones, Markov
Too early: Turner, Dow, Nyoun, Ralphsmith, Cumberland, Martyn
Hard to see a future: Miller, Aarts, English
N.A: Rance

NB: I'm probably a bit hard on English as its still really early days. I just cant see what he has to offer. I was wrong about Baker though and his now a premiership player.

Turner looks good
 
The team Delediodamage put up is pretty solid. Its hard to find a spot for Ross

I can see the selection mob picking Graham over Ross.

Its good but its also a problem cause Ross (and RCD) need AFL games
Not necessarily, Ross was very impressive and with another preseason can only get better. Graham in my eyes has never quite cemented his place, he was dropped mid season last year. Plays a bit half forward, a bit midfield. Injuries have set him back no doubt.
The match committee have been pretty adventurous of late.
 
Not necessarily, Ross was very impressive and with another preseason can only get better. Graham in my eyes has never quite cemented his place, he was dropped mid season last year. Plays a bit half forward, a bit midfield. Injuries have set him back no doubt.
The match committee have been pretty adventurous of late.

You could argue Ross was a bit shaky post the injury. Graham just (there days ago, happy bday fridge) turned 22, he still has upside too.

the selection panel of late being edgy of anything , may be more reason for them, to turn the other way and take in a conservative approach - such as backing in Graham. If he is fit, ahead of Ross or RCD at least for a month or two. maybe?

pretty hard to get a game in the middle or anywhere else these days as discussed here
 
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You could argue Ross was a bit shaky post the injury. Graham just turned 22, he still has upside too.

the selection panel of late being edgy if anything is more reason for them to turn the other way and take in a conservative approach such as backing in Graham, if he is fit, ahead of Ross or RCD at least for a month or two. maybe?

pretty hard to get a game in the middle or anywhere else these days as discussed here
Personally I really like what Graham brings to the side. It might not be world changing, but his efforts and tackling I feel get the rest of the boys fired up. I could be way off the mark, but I like the leadership he is showing already. I think if he can develop his game a bit more then he could be a constant in the side.

Nothing against Ross either, love the kid. I just think seeing Graham more so far might have him ahead of Ross in my mind. Don't mind if Ross takes his spot though.
 
You could argue Ross was a bit shaky post the injury. Graham just turned 22, he still has upside too.

the selection panel of late being edgy if anything is more reason for them to turn the other way and take in a conservative approach such as backing in Graham, if he is fit, ahead of Ross or RCD at least for a month or two. maybe?

pretty hard to get a game in the middle or anywhere else these days as discussed here
Ross was very shaky after injury, so were his early games the norm or was the later the norm. From a small selection of games I reckon he looks a natural fit for our midfield, and will be a much better midfielder than Graham.

But Graham was given a bit of leeway to go after the ball last year after playing very defensively before that. Love Graham's gut running, reckon he's has no pain barrier. Hopefully he stays injury free because he's had his fair share because I agree he has upside. But so do all our young players, some way more than Graham. Bolton, Stack, Ross, RCD etc.

Not sure about your logic of turning back to a more conservative approach, but time will tell.
 
Ross was very shaky after injury, so were his early games the norm or was the later the norm. From a small selection of games I reckon he looks a natural fit for our midfield, and a much better midfielder than Graham.

But Graham was given a bit of leeway to go after the ball last year after playing very defensively before that. Love Graham's gut running, reckon he's has no pain barrier. Hopefully he stays injury free because he's had his fair share because I agree he has upside. But so do all our young players, some way more than Graham. Bolton, Stack, Ross, RCD etc.

Not sure about your logic of turning back to a more conservative approach, but time will tell.

the leppitch quotes are certainly very promising in regards to the kids getting a fair crack if they deserve it

nice to not have grigg and ellis squibbing it up too, list blocking spots in the senior team

whilst i am still mortified about the rance incident the money and places in the team opening up might be valuable long term
 
the leppitch quotes are certainly very promising in regards to the kids getting a fair crack if they deserve it

nice to not have grigg and ellis squibbing it up too, list blocking spots in the senior team

whilst i am still mortified about the rance incident the money and places in the team opening up might be valuable long term
If you can't be adventurous this time of the year when can you.

A tad harsh on Grigg, Marlion will duke it out with you, pistols at dawn.
 

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I'm just hoping we get some decent time into Balta in the back six.

Probably without reason but I feel he is or could be our best option for replacing Rance.

Unless Harris Andrews wants to come over.
 
You could argue Ross was a bit shaky post the injury. Graham just (there days ago, happy bday fridge) turned 22, he still has upside too.

the selection panel of late being edgy of anything , may be more reason for them, to turn the other way and take in a conservative approach - such as backing in Graham. If he is fit, ahead of Ross or RCD at least for a month or two. maybe?

pretty hard to get a game in the middle or anywhere else these days as discussed here
I'd love both Ross & Graham in the side. Ross to develop as a wing maybe.
 
I'm just hoping we get some decent time into Balta in the back six.

Probably without reason but I feel he is or could be our best option for replacing Rance.

Unless Harris Andrews wants to come over.
Lions are just starting to play good football. Andrews is from Qld. People who reckon he'll leave are tripping balls. Balta is really young but if he can develop over the next 2,3, 4 years as a KPD, it'd be good timing for Dave A retirement. Balta'll struggle to get a game in 2020 anyhow. I'd personally use Rance money to ensure we don't lose anybody coming out of contract. & Keep SA & WA clubs away from CCJ, Baker, Graham.
out of contract
Houli, (1 year) Graham, Caddy, Pickett, Broad RCD (all should be resigned)
Short Nankervis (trade?)
Garthwaite (see how this year goes)
Turner, English (??)
Markov(delist unless gets fir)
 
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Ross was very shaky after injury, so were his early games the norm or was the later the norm. From a small selection of games I reckon he looks a natural fit for our midfield, and will be a much better midfielder than Graham.

But Graham was given a bit of leeway to go after the ball last year after playing very defensively before that. Love Graham's gut running, reckon he's has no pain barrier. Hopefully he stays injury free because he's had his fair share because I agree he has upside. But so do all our young players, some way more than Graham. Bolton, Stack, Ross, RCD etc.

Not sure about your logic of turning back to a more conservative approach, but time will tell.
That is wrong. Please tell me how Ross was shaky in his first game back against Carlton. He had a poor game against wce and that translates into him being poor in both games. The kid was very good against Carlton had only 50% game time against wce and got dropped.
Plenty of others have had poor games and never been dropped or had plenty of games before being dropped while continuing to play poorly.
 
That is wrong. Please tell me how Ross was shaky in his first game back against Carlton. He had a poor game against wce and that translates into him being poor in both games. The kid was very good against Carlton had only 50% game time against wce and got dropped.
Plenty of others have had poor games and never been dropped or had plenty of games before being dropped while continuing to play poorly.
Not necessarily wrong more general perception. Thought he was a bit apprehensive and lacked the composure he showed earlier. He started off so well he looked like a veteran. Gutted when he was injured, but thought he was just okay on his return but was down in confidence. This is normal of most first year players. Thought Stack was running up and down on the same spot a bit before he was rested/dropped. Ross is back in the middle rd.1.
 
Lions are just starting to play good football. Andrews is from Qld. People who reckon he'll leave are tripping balls. Balta is really young but if he can develop over the next 2,3, 4 years as a KPD, it'd be good timing for Dave A retirement. Balta'll struggle to get a game in 2020 anyhow. I'd personally use Rance money to ensure we don't lose anybody coming out of contract. & Keep SA & WA clubs away from CCJ, Baker, Graham.
out of contract
Houli, (1 year) Graham, Caddy, Pickett, Broad RCD (all should be resigned)
Short Nankervis (trade?)
Garthwaite (see how this year goes)
Turner, English (??)
Markov(delist unless gets fir)



26 Collier-Dawkins, Riley 0 20yr
44 Stack, Sydney R 17 19yr 10mth
32 English, Luke 0 19yr 6mth
5 Ross, Jack 7 19yr 5mth
28 Turner, Fraser 0 19yr 2mth
38 Cumberland, Noah 0 18yr 11mth
36 Martyn, Will 0 18yr 10mth
47 Nyuon, Bigoa 0 18yr 9mth
27 Dow, Thomson 0 18yr 4mth
45 Ralphsmith, Hugo 0 18yr 3mth
 
Not necessarily wrong more general perception. Thought he was a bit apprehensive and lacked the composure he showed earlier. He started off so well he looked like a veteran. Gutted when he was injured, but thought he was just okay on his return but was down in confidence. This is normal of most first year players. Thought Stack was running up and down on the same spot a bit before he was rested/dropped. Ross is back in the middle rd.1.
actually wrong. I thought he was very good in the Carlton game unobtrusive but good.I hate useing stats in debates like this but people have said he was no good against Carlton and i had to look up the stats to see if i had it wrong.
He had a 21 possession game 11 of them contested so he got a lot of ball for himself. He had 6 clearances which is way up there and laid 7 tackles, for an inside player at 18yrs of age im not sure what else you want. Yes he made his share of mistakes with clangers which any young player will do.
His game against Carlton was good.

Your right in one way there is a general perception that he was poor in both games and that is just wrong. I thought he turned it over against wce and struggled in the main but the kid only had 55% game time and every time he made a mistake it seems he was taken off. In some ways that game was a better learning curve for him than any game he played, he got a taste of finals footy early and could only be the better for it. yet we didnt see him again for the yr.

Being a young inexperienced player imo he was not afforded the same latitude most of the regulars got when they had bad games. I still think it wrong that he did not play in the G/F in front of Ellis.

Finally we threw Jack Graham into the last 5 games in 2017 and imo Ross is in front of Graham at the same time.
 
actually wrong. I thought he was very good in the Carlton game unobtrusive but good.I hate useing stats in debates like this but people have said he was no good against Carlton and i had to look up the stats to see if i had it wrong.
He had a 21 possession game 11 of them contested so he got a lot of ball for himself. He had 6 clearances which is way up there and laid 7 tackles, for an inside player at 18yrs of age im not sure what else you want. Yes he made his share of mistakes with clangers which any young player will do.
His game against Carlton was good.

Your right in one way there is a general perception that he was poor in both games and that is just wrong. I thought he turned it over against wce and struggled in the main but the kid only had 55% game time and every time he made a mistake it seems he was taken off. In some ways that game was a better learning curve for him than any game he played, he got a taste of finals footy early and could only be the better for it. yet we didnt see him again for the yr.

Being a young inexperienced player imo he was not afforded the same latitude most of the regulars got when they had bad games. I still think it wrong that he did not play in the G/F in front of Ellis.

Finally we threw Jack Graham into the last 5 games in 2017 and imo Ross is in front of Graham at the same time.
As I said, your perception vs mine. Yes he was good in parts against Carlton, the good being that he finds the ball no problem, I just thought his decision making wasn't great, and that worsened under the pressure of the WC game. Both in poor conditions from memory.

I have no problem in dropping him and then not playing him, playing slightly out of form first year players, especially when coming back from injury at the pointy end of the season can sometimes do more harm than good. Jack Graham is hardly a precedent, was the luckiest footballer in the country that year.

Let him earn his spot, he'd been there 5 minutes even if he never wins a GF he will still have a great career I'm pretty certain.
 
Another factor to consider is; guys like Graham, Broad have a very high winning % too. Broad 81.48% 44-0-10

coincidence or otherwise, if it aint broke...

in fact Broad has the 7th best ever Best Win-Loss Records (Min. 50 games), best in the modern era by miles...

Graham is on track too, has only been involved in handful of losing teams. Yet to play 50 games however

 
Another factor to consider is; guys like Graham, Broad have a very high winning % too. Broad 81.48% 44-0-10

coincidence or otherwise, if it aint broke...

in fact Broad has the 7th best ever Best Win-Loss Records (Min. 50 games), best in the modern era by miles...

Graham is on track too, has only been involved in handful of losing teams. Yet to play 50 games however

Nice stat. Broad, Jase, big Toby and Kane all up there out of current players (over 50 games). Along with Graham, there's a compelling case that these blokes are all walk-up starters.
 
Vlastuin, Astbury, Broad
Houli, Grimes, Stack
Lambert, Cotchin, Edwards
Caddy, Riewoldt, Castagna
Rioli, Lynch, Bolton
Nankervis, Martin, Prestia
Soldo, Graham, Pickett, McIntosh

emg/ Short, Baker, Ross, Higgins
 

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