Free Agency Zac Williams [joins Carlton as an RFA for a 1st round compensation pick]

[PMBangers]

This isn't a 'my club is better than yours' contest, keep discussion relevant to Zac Williams please

 

[Foucault1989]

It makes sense and I agree it's unlikely. There 17 other teams.

Your experience following Carlton is not a wide enough lens to view the situation I feel. Carlton's failures are not the failures of the 17 other teams. It can and does happen. Whilst Higgins, Waite and Dal Santo weren't too tier, they will move to a good organisation with a clear direction.

Our path is very clear. New CEO, new head of football, new list manager, new coach. If you come, you come because you fit our vision. Rhyce wants elite ball users off half back. He wants people who can use the football cleanly. Under Scott we used dour defenders and rebounded by handball or to Waite, Petrie, Goldstein down the line. Change is afoot though and whilst I rate our chances of securing Williams as very low, our ability to pay and offer security is not a limiting factor. It's the opposite.

So on the one hand you say that the Carlton experience is not a "wide enough lens" and on the other you cite getting Dal Santo, Waite and Higgins 6 years ago when your list was very different as an example of free agents choosing North?

Maybe I used Carlton as an example because we were in the same position as North at the end of 2015...slashed the list and started again. It is a relevant comparison.

 

[Mordecai]

So on the one hand you say that the Carlton experience is not a "wide enough lens" and on the other you cite getting Dal Santo, Waite and Higgins 6 years ago when your list was very different as an example of free agents choosing North?

Yeah so if we widen the lens we can see it does and doesn't work.
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Maybe I used Carlton as an example because we were in the same position as North at the end of 2015...slashed the list and started again. It is a relevant comparison.
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True but maybe too narrow if a comparison.

 

[legendstatus]

If a club offer Zac 900k a year then they deserve all the pain that goes with it. Joke!


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[Prochard123]

If a club offer Zac 900k a year then they deserve all the pain that goes with it. Joke!


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900k is fine if they can convince that the compensation is enough for GWS.

900k alone for Williams is probably more attractive than 900k + 2x 1st round picks for Jeremy Cameron. Even tho Cameron deserves the 900k so much more than Williams

 

[THE_GUN]

He is a very good footballer and I'd love him at Carlton but 900k reeks of desperation. North will throw the chequebook at anything that moves but it's the wrong time for a gun free agent. They aren't even at rock bottom yet and even with William's, they are favorites for the wooden spoon next year.

They would be mad if they didnt , what do they have to lose
Who are north going to pay the $$$ to to get to min salary cap level ?
They have just sacked 11 players and looks like trading out Brown and maybe another highly paid player

Basically means a free quality player to help whilst rebuilding but would williams agree to go there is another story . What it will do though is increase his value and cost the club he does go to to pay more $$$

Personally i think Carlton at $850k with Norths offer $900k

Band 1 for GWS

 

[DT_35]

Wouldn’t pay him any more than 700k a year, and that’s being generous. He’s good but no world beater and seems to always get injured.

 

[HairyO]

Wouldn’t pay him any more than 700k a year, and that’s being genius. He’s good but no world beater and seems to always get injured.

Not had 2 good years in a row in 6 or 7 years. The numbers which get talked about on here can only be coming from player managers. Not anyone who actually thinks about salary caps and actual worth.

 

[bird_man]

I couldn't even tell you how champion data is collated, and have zero interest.

Looking at Williams, last night should tell you all you need to know: average leg-speed, no skills on his left side, limited awareness i.e the tackle by Lonie 15m out from goals that he didn't see coming, and he tends to just bang the ball on the boot.

He will get picked up, if GWS are unable to re-jig their list, but he will be another GWS player that is massively over-rated from the outside - a bit like Coniglio was last year.

I suggest you go back and watch his two goals from the Melbourne game the week prior if you think he lacks leg speed.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Your experience following Carlton is not a wide enough lens to view the situation I feel. Carlton's failures are not the failures of the 17 other teams. It can and does happen. Whilst Higgins, Waite and Dal Santo weren't too tier, they will move to a good organisation with a clear direction.

Bit of an odd statement. If we're widening the lens, shouldn't we talk about top tier, expensive free agents? They're more pertinent to the situation. I don't need to rehash North's inability to recruit Dusty or Kelly when they were better than they are at present, do I?

 

[Mordecai]

Bit of an odd statement. If we're widening the lens, shouldn't we talk about top tier, expensive free agents? They're more pertinent to the situation. I don't need to rehash North's inability to recruit Dusty or Kelly when they were better than they are at present, do I?

Bit different. They're both top 10 in the league.

Zac Williams isn't top 10.

Interestingly though what happened with josh Kelly may be a contributing factor to the club that gets Zac. Food for thought.

 

[Mego Red]

Wouldn’t pay him any more than 700k a year, and that’s being genius. He’s good but no world beater and seems to always get injured.

It's probably more "generous" than genius.

 

[Mego Red]

Look - he's not THAT good, right?

This screams of another GWS trade where they get exposed as only an okay player once they're in another program.

 

[SOSforPM]

Look - he's not THAT good, right?

This screams of another GWS trade where they get exposed as only an okay player once they're in another program.

Disagree! Williams looks to have a bit of Mongrel and had to earn being a late pick.

For me typical GWS is a high draft pick look at me type that shows little respect to the opposition.

Injury is my only concern but we will see I guess.

 

[Giant Pete]

Don’t underestimate the inside info Rhyce is getting off heater on which players are worth extra coin.

 

[thommo_legend]

He has informed GWS he wants to explore free agency.

 

[Thetrader15]

He has informed GWS he wants to explore free agency.

Star Giant Williams confirms desire to move to Victoria

GWS released the statement this afternoon.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Shinboner1]

Come on North, get the job done

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Apparently down to carlton or north surely unless he’s after pure cash he’s heading to the blues

 

[Mofra]

Cashed up teams surely go hard. He's an A grader who will cost nothing at the trade table.

North will obviously ask the question, Carlton have Martin's front loaded deal reducing by a fair chunk next year don't they? I suspect Kreuzer was on decent coin too.

 

[workhorse]

Have it on good authority it's a done deal to Carlton

 

[PMBangers]

Will be getting a very handsome pay rise wherever he ends up, have to think that Carlton lead giving they're looking on the up and have a clear need for him, but would be very surprised if other clubs don't throw their hat in the ring

 

[Mofra]

Has real midfield potential too as we saw at the end of last year.

 

[Aramis]

Big loss for GWS.... Another joins the leaving conga line...

 

[PMBangers]

Has real midfield potential too as we saw at the end of last year.

My thoughts exactly, I'd say it's a waste for which ever club he ends up at not to push him through the midfield, North and Blues both need another midfielder with pace and skill, he'd fit that perfectly

 

[bigm386]

Cashed up teams surely go hard. He's an A grader who will cost nothing at the trade table.

North will obviously ask the question, Carlton have Martin's front loaded deal reducing by a fair chunk next year don't they? I suspect Kreuzer was on decent coin too.

Rumour last year was we struggled to make the minimum TPP, we have front ended and managed a lot of the kids contracts as a result.

Have money in the bank,