Free Agency Zac Williams [joins Carlton as an RFA for a 1st round compensation pick]

[PMBangers]

This isn't a 'my club is better than yours' contest, keep discussion relevant to Zac Williams please

 

[Northernsoul74]

It'll be Band 1, he's reportedly asking for 650-800k for 3-4 years

Ha ha between 650-800, give or take 150k. That’s a huge difference. No way his expectations are that broad.

 

[PMBangers]

Ha ha between 650-800, give or take 150k. That’s a huge difference. No way his expectations are that broad.

I've seen reports suggesting 650 and some suggesting 800 is what I'm saying

 

[Foucault1989]

Pretty sure the club is willing to throw our $4mil cap at anything to get the job done

What job exactly? You're entering year 1 of a full list rebuild. Why would William's go to North where he will spend the rest of his career in the bottom 4?

 

[Colonial]

What job exactly? You're entering year 1 of a full list rebuild. Why would William's go to North where he will spend the rest of his career in the bottom 4?

Because they are paying him close to a million a year?

 

[Foucault1989]

Because they are paying him close to a million a year?

But is it really worth it? I feel for guys like Simpson playing their careers at a dud club. Sure they get a bit more coin but playing finals is the goal.

 

[Mordecai]

What job exactly? You're entering year 1 of a full list rebuild. Why would William's go to North where he will spend the rest of his career in the bottom 4?

Dollars foucault.

Your claim is that it's all about premiership success. If that were the case then all the best players would move to one team on minimum chips and win every yera. It doesn't happen.

It's a competition after all. When Williams joins, with Corr, with 3-4 top tier youngsters to go with thomas, ldu, scott, zurhaar, simpkin, larkey it might just turn within their careers.

 

[Foucault1989]

Dollars foucault.

Your claim is that it's all about premiership success. If that were the case then all the best players would move to one team on minimum chips and win every yera. It doesn't happen.

It's a competition after all. When Williams joins, with Corr, with 3-4 top tier youngsters to go with thomas, ldu, scott, zurhaar, simpkin, larkey it might just turn within their careers.

You've literally missed out on everyone but Polec when your list was better. You've just gutted your list, why would a high quality footballer join unless he is a money mercenary? I find the confidence of North fans the most difficult to understand.

 

[Prochard123]

He is one of the most offensive players in the comp.

While his kicking isn't always creative, it's penetrating and mostly accurate. Line-breaking pace, and a capable clearance specialists (again, when he's played in the midfield), who is actually quite strong despite his size.

However, definition of a 1 way runner, think Beams in his prime. Will dominate the game with 25-30 quality possessions if played in the midfield, but his opponent will also have a similar degree of impact.

If he went into the national draft, I'd draft him in the top 5 this year despite his age.

 

[Colonial]

But is it really worth it? I feel for guys like Simpson playing their careers at a dud club. Sure they get a bit more coin but playing finals is the goal.

He may not have a flag but he has played big finals and in big games.
He may think the coin that’s on offer is a once in a life time opportunity for his family and to much of a difference between what’s on off from clubs up the ladder or with a better list.

 

[Foucault1989]

He may not have a flag but he has played big finals and in big games.
He may think the coin that’s on offer is a once in a life time opportunity for his family and to much of a difference between what’s on off from clubs up the ladder or with a better list.

Mmm we shall see. Historical precedent is not in favor of a move to North. It would be such a waste seeing him play at North.

 

[Colonial]

Mmm we shall see. Historical precedent is not in favor of a move to North. It would be such a waste seeing him play at North.

Hey I want him to stay, but no way can he get 900k with us.

 

[La Dispute]

Dollars foucault.

Your claim is that it's all about premiership success. If that were the case then all the best players would move to one team on minimum chips and win every yera. It doesn't happen.

It's a competition after all. When Williams joins, with Corr, with 3-4 top tier youngsters to go with thomas, ldu, scott, zurhaar, simpkin, larkey it might just turn within their careers.

How many A-graders go to cellar dweller teams about to embark on a major rebuild?

I suspect this one is going to play out like the Shiel nomination, and Williams ends up at a club offering less but is further up the ladder.

Huge optimism from North supporters.

 

[Foucault1989]

Hey I want him to stay, but no way can he get 900k with us.

He is a very good footballer and I'd love him at Carlton but 900k reeks of desperation. North will throw the chequebook at anything that moves but it's the wrong time for a gun free agent. They aren't even at rock bottom yet and even with William's, they are favorites for the wooden spoon next year.

 

[Mordecai]

You've literally missed out on everyone but Polec when your list was better. You've just gutted your list, why would a high quality footballer join unless he is a money mercenary? I find the confidence of North fans the most difficult to understand.

Answered your own question. It's almost like there's a variable you're missing on purpose.

 

[Mordecai]

How many A-graders go to cellar dweller teams about to embark on a major rebuild?

I suspect this one is going to play out like the Shiel nomination, and Williams ends up at a club offering less but is further up the ladder.

Huge optimism from North supporters.

I think it's more likely than not he will end up elsewhere. To suggest players don't look to their own security in their decision making is a bit silly though.

 

[Foucault1989]

Answered your own question. It's almost like there's a variable you're missing on purpose.

I'm not missing anything because it never happens. Top end free agents never nominate bottom clubs offering inflated money. Trust me, I know.

Name one free agent who would be considered an A grader who has gone to a bottom 4 club. In addition, name one elite player in the past 5-7 years who has nominated a bottom 4 club for a trade.

 

[Foucault1989]

I think it's more likely than not he will end up elsewhere. To suggest players don't look to their own security in their decision making is a bit silly though.

Well name a player then who has taken this path

 

[La Dispute]

I think it's more likely than not he will end up elsewhere. To suggest players don't look to their own security in their decision making is a bit silly though.

It’s not an either/or thing. Dangerfield, Lynch, Neale, Treloar, Shiel etc could have accepted marginally more elsewhere but chose to go to teams they felt would be contending. They are still all being paid very well.

Polec is the perfect example of a player who chose money over success and his decision looks to have backfired completely.

 

[Mordecai]

Well name a player then who has taken this path

Aaron Hamill

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Honestly don't care if he comes to Carlton or not. I certainly wouldn't be throwing obscene amounts of dollars at him, at any rate.

 

[Mordecai]

Well name a player then who has taken this path

Betts

 

[mpal6]

How many A-graders go to cellar dweller teams about to embark on a major rebuild?

I suspect this one is going to play out like the Shiel nomination, and Williams ends up at a club offering less but is further up the ladder.

Huge optimism from North supporters.

I'm not missing anything because it never happens. Top end free agents never nominate bottom clubs offering inflated money. Trust me, I know.

Name one free agent who would be considered an A grader who has gone to a bottom 4 club. In addition, name one elite player in the past 5-7 years who has nominated a bottom 4 club for a trade.

You may have forgotten already but Chris Judd did come to Carlton when you were in the bottom 4 and got the spoon in the previous 2 years. It happens.

 

[Mordecai]

I'm not missing anything because it never happens. Top end free agents never nominate bottom clubs offering inflated money. Trust me, I know.

Name one free agent who would be considered an A grader who has gone to a bottom 4 club. In addition, name one elite player in the past 5-7 years who has nominated a bottom 4 club for a trade.

Williams is not elite.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

In addition, name one elite player in the past 5-7 years who has nominated a bottom 4 club for a trade.

I'll give you two, Dayne Beams and Lachie Neale.

 

[Dangerousfield]

I think it's more likely than not he will end up elsewhere. To suggest players don't look to their own security in their decision making is a bit silly though.

You've got 10 years to set yourself up for life, flags are nice but don't pay the bills. He's been on modest coin at GWS apparently, needs a big payday before he moves onto a gardening business or the like.