Free Agency Zac Williams [joins Carlton as an RFA for a 1st round compensation pick]
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He was passed over by all those Melbourne clubs although some think he was a gifted star.
It’s possible he shows loyalty.
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If money was any motivation, he would go elsewhere as he'll receive offers well above what GWS can potentially offer.
But I wouldn't be surprised if he took unders to stay for a couple of years whilst the Giants are firmly in the premiership window.
But I wouldn't be surprised if he took unders to stay for a couple of years whilst the Giants are firmly in the premiership window.
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What I'm really saying is that outside of first/second year players no one really knows shit about shit. My own team has a normal list (ie not a clump of players all drafted at the same time) and we've got McGovern on $1.2m, Gaff on $1.2m, Naitanui previously on $1m, Darling, Kennedy, Shuey, Yeo all on big money, Kelly coming in on big money etc. Apparently. If contracts were properly structured and salaries public like in the NBA 3/4 of the journos in the AFL would be out of a job.
Whitfield and Coniglio did sign recent deals, but nobody knows what contracts they signed or what contracts they were on previously. All we do know is that Scully, Patton, Shiel, Smith, Lobb, Tomlinson, Griffen, Deledio, Wilson all left in the last 3 off seasons as established players. So you can balance what you think the current list are all getting vs what those guys are/were all getting, if that floats your boat.
In terms of Zac Williams (is that who you meant when you said Shiel? Shiel plays for Essendon) he's probably worth about $500k per year, give or take. He's a pretty good player, but he's not a superstar of the comp. Maybe a team thinks he's worth $600k, or $700k, and maybe GWS think he'll stay for 'unders' of $450k, but he's not somebody a team are going to come along and pay $1m to. If the best GWS could do was say $500k x 4 years and another team offered $600k x 5 years, then like Ellis at Richmond maybe he'd look at it. Maybe he has no interest in going anywhere, who knows.
He's worth more than that.
I wouldn't mind us looking at him if he continues to show he can play inside mid and McKenna pisses off back to Ireland for 2021. Our Daniher money would probably be better spent on a key forward or a true big bodied inside mid, though. Williams will attract a lot of interest.
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I said before I'd personally do 850k IF we were sure and planning on playing him through the middle like he was last year.
He was incredible through the middle, and GWS would let him go without having to trade.
Its over what he's realistically worth but you save in draft picks
I can easily see clubs offering $750k-$800k for him if he continues his 2019 form (should've been in the AA squad... missing a few games through injury probably cost him). He's one of the best players for his position and can also play midfield (and even small forward) if needed. He may take unders to stay at GWS but he'll get some big offers from other clubs. He's a very good player.
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Yeah he’s worth that much to the right club. Not mine, IMO, but for say Essendon, Hawthorn or Carlton I could definitely justify it. He’s a ripper.
We should be all over him for a midfield role.
If we're willing to pay as much as $900K PA for Hill you'd think we'd be willing to pay Zac something similar. Especially as he can play inside or outside to a high level.
If we're willing to pay as much as $900K PA for Hill you'd think we'd be willing to pay Zac something similar. Especially as he can play inside or outside to a high level.
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Yeah we should throw the kitchen sink at him. Can’t see it happening but would be mad not to have a crack.
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Good luck to any player chasing a pay day, but how many flag winning sides have bought players for overs? The only recent one that springs to mind is the Bulldogs, and they were like Hawthorn 2008 in term of years ahead of the curve.
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We’d be stupid not to make him our number 1 priority especially as a free agent. Spend a good chunk of the war chest on him
craving speed and class across hbf and mid
craving speed and class across hbf and mid
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Woohoo he won’t leave then!!!
Sorry
Out of all he is most likely to miss out IF we have to lose one.
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You know him? Or guessing?
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Since the AFL started every premiership team have players that came from other clubs - no ones knows what the offer from the original club was to make a call that the new club paid over.
Your last flag had Jetta, Reddan, Yeo, Kennedy, Cripps, Lycett & Vardy that came from other clubs. You can't say if they were paid under's or overs.
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Lycett didn't come from another club. We drafted him and then he joined Port as a free agent.
The rest were traded in different circumstances. It's not like we bought Cripps and Vardy from all those teams chasing them with massive offers. I doubt any except Yeo and Kennedy have ever been on big contracts, and those two are AA calibre players who earned it after a few years. If not for injury Kennedy was on track for 3 Colemans in a row, pay the man. If we had given Kennedy his 2015/16 contract when we traded for him as a 20 year old then yes it would have been overs.
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My bad on SL.
Not sure any teams fits not paying overs for another player - if the contract at their old club is smaller than then new then isn't this overs? Or are you saying overs is what you think the current market value of a player is?
Unless we get the the NFL type full disclosure then this is all guess work.
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Funnily enough we let Lycett go because he was worth more to Port than us. Not a fortune more, but with Naitanui and Vardy (and now Hickey who you would hope is on less money) it made sense for us to spend money elsewhere. He's good enough to be a first ruckman, we just don't need another one of them.
Agree RE: transparency. All 'reported' contracts can be taken with a grain of salt. It's a salary capped comp with $12.5m per club so people still know that draftees get about 100k, the average wage is about 350-400k and there are about 10 earning $1m a year. I couldn't rank our top 10 highest paid players in order but I reckon I could guess 8 or 9 of them. I get talk of $1m+ a year for Gaff or McGovern because they are AA level players who were on good money and approaching free agency. But if articles start popping up about a team wanting to offer $1m a year for Dom Sheed or Tom Barrass then you know that they just don't belong in that bracket.
I am talking about the strategy of buying players above market rates to try and build a squad. Josh Kelly, Andrew Gaff, Jared Polec etc. It's mainly North that get reported but I'm sure other clubs do it too. There was talk of Brad Hill getting big money to join the Saints, ditto Jake Lever the Dees. Those guys are good but they're not top 20 or 30 players. I wouldn't want my team chasing those guys and making them our highest paid player(s).
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GWS have an unlimited supply of AFL marketing money for their players. Add another to this list.....
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