List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[Chris_6678]

In reference to Reid potentially leaving, this is a perfect of example of how there absolutely can be smoke with no fire.

Imagine he has no intention of leaving or hasn't made his mind up, yet the SEN (Reid is leaving) circle jerk gets supporters all worked up so they pile on Reid whenever he doesn't play well. And then imagine these pile ons has him questioning his place at the club. And then he leaves.

SEN is BS.

In regards to SEN Rumors.. Guess who works there now? Simmo! So don't be surprised if some of the Harley stuff comes from him as he would know.

 

[stallon]

We should know one way or the other about guys we drafted in 2021-2022, have a fair idea on guys drafted in 2023 and be seeing positive signs this year from guys we drafted in 2024.

Id argue we do know to an extent avbout the 2021-2022 draftees, at least whether they can be AFL players but not their ceiling. We cant know if theyll be elite just yet if they havent played a bunch of games lol
The 2023 guys no way, theyre still way too young to know what theyll end up as.

We can speculate that we think that they wont be elite, but players come on slower all the time, especially if theyre in an environment that isnt particularly easy to develop in, like the eagles of 2021-now perhaps?

Dylan Moore perfect example, widely regarded as the best half forward in the comp. Drafted 2017, didnt get regular footy until 2021- his 4th season- and wasnt considered elite until a couple of years after that.
Gov- on the list in 2011, didnt debut until 2014.

 

[CountryLad]

We should know one way or the other about guys we drafted in 2021-2022, have a fair idea on guys drafted in 2023 and be seeing positive signs this year from guys we drafted in 2024.

I never said we haven’t found players.

I said we have found players we believe can be elite in their position.

Ultimately it’s your top end that drives you up the ladder in to the top 4.

Of those that are not elite/ some we know are decent B22 players like Long who will likely never be elite. Some a speculative like Hewett and Dewar who we will know far more about come r23 and some a permainjured - Bazzo, Chesser and to some degree Hewett .

I’m not writing anybody off. I’m just saying that we should have better indication of what we have on our list Than what we actually do, and we should have more high end talent given our finishing position in the last few years.

I’m not half empty on the list, I’m like most- unable to make any real assessment of it- which is an issue in and of itself.

We should know one way or the other about guys we drafted in 2021-2022, have a fair idea on guys drafted in 2023 and be seeing positive signs this year from guys we drafted in 2024

Couldn’t disagree any more with you than what you have said there.

Every player develops at a different rate, some have a good run at it injury wise others don’t. Some are key position player that mature far later and some just take a bit longer to get there. Just because a player isn’t a star at 19-22 yrs of age doesn’t mean they can’t be by the age of 25.

Junk time Jake is the most recent Eagles example.

The truth is we won’t know how good our draftees are going to be particularly from the recent draft for some time yet.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Couldn’t disagree any more with you than what you have said there.

Every player develops at a different rate, some have a good run at it injury wise others don’t. Some are key position player that mature far later and some just take a bit longer to get there. Just because a player isn’t a star at 19-22 yrs of age doesn’t mean they can’t be by the age of 25.

Junk time Jake is the most recent Eagles example.

The truth is we won’t know how good our draftees are going to be particularly from the recent draft for some time yet.

A KPP who kicked 18 goals in 18 games in his 2nd year (first year playing at AFL level).

Granted it’s hindsight but Snake always dominated the WAFL when not in the AFL side.

I’d also add that Waterman was drafted to a perennial finals team who had arguably best or one of the best KPF set ups in the league.

The standar required for Waterman to play AFL was so much higher than players now.

If we had 2017-19 JK and JD snake would still be in the WAFL mind you.

That is very very different to being a perennial wooden spoon contender with one of the worst lists in AFL history.

 

[Convocation]

What do we think our chances, if any are of getting draft assistance from the AFL if we finish bottom 3 again
The below concessions were granted due to poor performances over a 3 year period

North
2020 - 17th - 71.2%
2021 - 18th - 70.3%
2022 - 18th - 55.8%

Eagles
2024 - 16th - 68.1%
2023 - 18th - 53.0%
2022 - 17th - 59.8%

North Draft Concessions (apologies if I got this wrong)

2022

• A second-round pick and third-round pick in the 2023 AFL: at least one of these picks must be traded for a player during the 2022 trade period.
• Two extra Category A Rookie list spots

2023

• One end-of-first round selection in the 2023 AFL Draft
• Two end-of-first round selections in the 2024 AFL Draft
• The continuation of two extra Category A Rookie list spots.

 

[Elite Pete]

Not all first rounders are equal though.

In fact, we've regularly missed our 2nd and 3rd rounders from 2018 onward, which has been a massive reason as to the decline of the list.

Now, whether that was due to poor recruiting or poor development we'll never know, but other than Harley, we have zero players with exposed form that indicate they'll be elite midfielders, let alone serviceable.

Even Simpson himself said it in 2021 when he was asked in a press conference regarding the future of the clubs and his response was 'mids, mids, mids'. Even knowing that since back then, we've still failed to draft any elite talent in the midfield, other than Reid.

Yes but 3 years of bottom 3 finless in and still having the possibility of stars (25yo) leave to get more draft capital because you have one know mid for the future and even he might not be here from next year, reeks of a failed rebuild.

These next draftees could take 3-6 years to get to afl level and they might even fail.

You can try and spin it anyway you want but as we stand right now it’s been a failed rebuild first attempt. You should t have to be down the bottom 4 for 7 years to get out and that’s what we are likely looking at if we go down one fork in the road.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Id argue we do know to an extent avbout the 2021-2022 draftees, at least whether they can be AFL players but not their ceiling. We cant know if theyll be elite just yet if they havent played a bunch of games lol
The 2023 guys no way, theyre still way too young to know what theyll end up as.

We can speculate that we think that they wont be elite, but players come on slower all the time, especially if theyre in an environment that isnt particularly easy to develop in, like the eagles of 2021-now perhaps?

Dylan Moore perfect example, widely regarded as the best half forward in the comp. Drafted 2017, didnt get regular footy until 2021- his 4th season- and wasnt considered elite until a couple of years after that.
Gov- on the list in 2011, didnt debut until 2014.

This is using a statistical outlier and then trying to sell it as the rule.

Gov is the exception to about 10 rules. The only one that really applies to gov is “big guys take a bit longer”.

2021
Chesser - bust
Hough - elite
JWilliams hold/ afl standard not elite
Bazzo - permainjured
Clark - delisted

2022
Ginbey - AFL standard elite half back
Hewett - hold- AFL standard/permainjured
Barnett - hold KPP
Burgiel - delisted
Long - AFL standard, not elite
Baker - delisted
Dewar - AFL standard possible elite

2023
H. Reid - elite
A.Reid - hold/kpp possilble elite
Hall - hold possible AFL standard
Livingston - Hold KPP
Harvey Johnston - hold/possible afl standard

2024
Not enough information

After 4 years of drafting, 3 from the bottom of the ladder, that’s a poor drafting record.

 

[stallon]

What do we think our chances, if any are of getting draft assistance from the AFL if we finish bottom 3 again
The below concessions were granted due to poor performances over a 3 year period

North
2020 - 17th - 71.2%
2021 - 18th - 70.3%
2022 - 18th - 55.8%

Eagles
2024 - 16th - 68.1%
2023 - 18th - 53.0%
2022 - 17th - 59.8%

North Draft Concessions (apologies if I got this wrong)

2022

• A second-round pick and third-round pick in the 2023 AFL: at least one of these picks must be traded for a player during the 2022 trade period.
• Two extra Category A Rookie list spots

2023

• One end-of-first round selection in the 2023 AFL Draft
• Two end-of-first round selections in the 2024 AFL Draft
• The continuation of two extra Category A Rookie list spots.

I think some chance, it opens up the door for the AFL to give Richmond something in 2026 especially as Tasmania isnt far away now

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

After 4 years of drafting, 3 from the bottom of the ladder, that’s a poor drafting record.

How does it compare to others at the arse end of the ladder?

 

[FatPizza]

What do we think our chances, if any are of getting draft assistance from the AFL if we finish bottom 3 again
The below concessions were granted due to poor performances over a 3 year period

North
2020 - 17th - 71.2%
2021 - 18th - 70.3%
2022 - 18th - 55.8%

Eagles
2024 - 16th - 68.1%
2023 - 18th - 53.0%
2022 - 17th - 59.8%

North Draft Concessions (apologies if I got this wrong)

2022

• A second-round pick and third-round pick in the 2023 AFL: at least one of these picks must be traded for a player during the 2022 trade period.
• Two extra Category A Rookie list spots

2023

• One end-of-first round selection in the 2023 AFL Draft
• Two end-of-first round selections in the 2024 AFL Draft
• The continuation of two extra Category A Rookie list spots.

The head of the AFL isn't a West Coast supporter though.

 

[stallon]

This is using a statistical outlier and then trying to sell it as the rule.

Gov is the exception to about 10 rules. The only one that really applies to gov is “big guys take a bit longer”.

2021
Chesser - bust
Hough - elite
JWilliams hold/ afl standard not elite
Bazzo - permainjured
Clark - delisted

2022
Ginbey - AFL standard elite half back
Hewett - hold- AFL standard/permainjured
Barnett - hold KPP
Burgiel - delisted
Long - AFL standard, not elite
Baker - delisted
Dewar - AFL standard possible elite

2023
H. Reid - elite
A.Reid - hold/kpp possilble elite
Hall - hold possible AFL standard
Livingston - Hold KPP
Harvey Johnston - hold/possible afl standard

2024
Not enough information

After 4 years of drafting, 3 from the bottom of the ladder, that’s a poor drafting record.

I think thats a perfectly fine drafting record.
Hough and Ginbey are the only two with a big chunk of AFL experience, 1 is elite and the other looks to be very good at the least.
Hewett should have the possible elite tag too.

Thats 2 elite, 1 very good, and 3 more possible elites over 3 years, one of those years we didnt even have a great pick anyway at pick 14.
6 guys we can count in our best 22 in 5 years time, plus a few more who could be decent role players
Thats pretty good tbh

Its also only 3 years, you arent counting 2024 in your analysis

 

[twce13]

In regards to SEN Rumors.. Guess who works there now? Simmo! So don't be surprised if some of the Harley stuff comes from him as he would know.

i dont think even harley knows.

so much conjecture with the harley rumblings, its actually insane.
he still has 2 years and potentially 40+ games to get through until he is out of contract, but everyone is trying to be definitive without knowing anything.

just let it play out.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

People need to calm down about the ruck. It's one game (Flynn), against a very good ruck in Witts. Let's just calm our farms and wait and see. I still see the bigger issue is coughing up pick 3 last year. Harley won't hang around if he gets hard tagged every week because no one else is a real threat. We could have had someone who, in 2-3 year's time could draw some heat away from Harley. If Warner comes to us, he simply won't be as effective as he is in a star studded and well-oiled Swans line-up. We still need that other guy who will tur into an elite player.

 

[CountryLad]

A KPP who kicked 18 goals in 18 games in his 2nd year (first year playing at AFL level).

Granted it’s hindsight but Snake always dominated the WAFL when not in the AFL side.

I’d also add that Waterman was drafted to a perennial finals team who had arguably best or one of the best KPF set ups in the league.

The standar required for Waterman to play AFL was so much higher than players now.

If we had 2017-19 JK and JD snake would still be in the WAFL mind you.

That is very very different to being a perennial wooden spoon contender with one of the worst lists in AFL history.

The reason we are currently a perennial wooden spoon contender has nothing to do with what’s happened in the draft over the last 3-4 years it’s 100% to do with what happened from a list management point of view from 2018-21.

Just relax and let the kids play. We all know that not all of them will make it but I reckon there will be some green shoots starting to show through by the end of the season. It’s not as doom and gloom as what your original post was re our drafting over the last few years.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I think thats a perfectly fine drafting record.
Hough and Ginbey are the only two with a big chunk of AFL experience, 1 is elite and the other looks to be very good at the least.
Hewett should have the possible elite tag too.

Thats 2 elite, 1 very good, and 3 more possible elites over 3 years, one of those years we didnt even have a great pick anyway at pick 14.
6 guys we can count in our best 22 in 5 years time, plus a few more who could be decent role players
Thats pretty good tbh

Its also only 3 years, you arent counting 2024 in your analysis

Going by this it’s fair to say you think our rebuild is going fine and there’s nothing to worry about?

Of course I haven’t included 2024 they haven’t even been in the system more than 4 months.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

The reason we are currently a perennial wooden spoon contender has nothing to do with what’s happened in the draft over the last 3-4 years it’s 100% to do with what happened from a list management point of view from 2018-21.

Just relax and let the kids play. We all know that not all of them will make it but I reckon there will be some green shoots starting to show through by the end of the season. It’s not as doom and gloom as what your original post was re our drafting over the last few years.

I’m not blaming our drafting from 2021-23 for where we are, but that’s the mechanism that will help us get out of where we are, and we aren’ hitting our targets often enough tbh .

 

[stallon]

Going by this it’s fair to say you think our rebuild is going fine and there’s nothing to worry about?

I didnt say its going fine. I said our drafting in terms of finding afl quality players has been decent.

If Ginbey has shown aptitude in the midfield instead of defence then id think its going fine, as thatd be 3 young mids ready to take at least 30-40% CBAs each this year with Hewett and Reid

Still a ruck and KPD to worry about but we did draft for ruck, its not worth just spamming ruck picks we needed to give barnett time regardless.

Of course I haven’t included 2024 they haven’t even been in the system more than 4 months.

I only mentioned this as you wrote at the bottom of your other comment about poor drafting over 4 years, despite not knowing much about the 4th year yet

 

[Cuzz09]

I just hope when we're competing again Waterman is still around.

Jake might be our modern day Phil Matera/Priddis

just miss out byba year despite being a club legend

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[Cuzz09]

Could you imagine how messy a mid season trade period would be!?

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[Dom sheed pocket]

I didnt say its going fine. I said our drafting in terms of finding afl quality players has been decent.

If Ginbey has shown aptitude in the midfield instead of defence then id think its going fine, as thatd be 3 young mids ready to take at least 30-40% CBAs each this year with Hewett and Reid

Still a ruck and KPD to worry about but we did draft for ruck, its not worth just spamming ruck picks we needed to give barnett time regardless.


I only mentioned this as you wrote at the bottom of your other comment about poor drafting over 4 years, despite not knowing much about the 4th year yet

Last one on this before we should move on.

You said “that’s pretty good tbh”….

I think that’s it’s not enough return on the picks we’ve had.

 

[stallon]

Last one on this before we should move on.

You said “that’s pretty good tbh”….

I think that’s it’s not enough return on the picks we’ve had.

I think you can only really count Burgiel, Chesser and Clark/Baker as misses at this stage, but fair enough

 

[darksquare]

People need to calm down

I mean, just in general. But where's the fun in that?

 

[We_The_West]

WC should target Zac Bailey.

Very under-rated player who wins contested footy and is mainly used on a HFF.

 

[twce13]

WC should target Zac Bailey.

Very under-rated player who wins contested footy and is mainly used on a HFF.

feel like we have that type of player in long. he'd had a long lay-off, give him some time and think he comes good.

 

[Dylan82]

WC should target Zac Bailey.

Very under-rated player who wins contested footy and is mainly used on a HFF.

RFA in 2026.

Have no reason to suspect he would leave Qld though.

Originally from SA, so the two Adelaide clubs would have any go-home factor advantage.


Certainly worth asking a question about, despite the chances being very slim.